Mysterious happenings throughout the decades

by Miss Trunchbull 22.11.13 13:52

I've been wondering if the McCann case will ever be solved, or will it be endlessly debated and the facts (such as there are) discussed and pulled apart ad infinitum.

People still wonder about the Marie Celeste, the disappearance of Amelia Earhart, the Red House murder (Suspicions of Mr Whicher was written about that), the man who jumped out of a plane in the US with loads of money (body never found - think he was called DB Simpson) and another unsolved mystery which has gone on for a couple of centuries, is the Turin Shroud real??

Do you think the events surrounding poor little Madeleine will be added to this list?

by Guest 22.11.13 14:00

Add the JFK assassination - 50 years ago on this very day - and yes, I think that the McCann case will still be hotly debated for many years to come.

by Miss Trunchbull 22.11.13 14:07

Of course, JFK.

Probably the biggest debating subject on Conspiracy we've had this century.

by Romario 22.11.13 14:12

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Add the JFK assassination - 50 years ago on this very day - and yes, I think that the McCann case will still be hotly debated for many years to come.

I've often thought that the Madeleine Mccann case was second only to JFK, but recently I have been beggining to think that Madeleine Mccann is bigger. The thing with JFK is that if you ask the questions who, why and how, although you may not get any definite answers, it's not difficult to come up with a list of suspects, a list of motives and list of places to shoot from. It's clear why someone would want to assassinate the president of the United States. In some ways it's a shallow mystery, not a deep mystery, and the solving of it is just like a game of cluedo.

With Madeleine Mccann it's the other way around. The shallow mystery is solved, in that it's pretty clear it's a child death faked as an abduction. But the deeper mystery, of why all the cover-up and conspracy, totally understandable with JFK, is absolutely puzzling.

by **PeterMac** 22.11.13 14:29

The Mary Celeste was an insurance fraud.

by Miss Trunchbull 23.11.13 14:13

I'm astonished PeterMac.

I've read that it may have been ergot poisoning (via infected bread) as a similar thing happened in a remote village in France (people having hallucinations and running away to hide from 'monsters') but never insurance fraud. That would make more sense. Most of these things seem to boil down to a financial motive, don't they?

by Guest 23.11.13 14:23

I can't imagine even in my wildest moments now a conclusion to this case that I would find remotely satisfying. Even pinning it on the parents would leave so, so many questions unanswered.

by Guest 23.11.13 14:35

I'd only use the words "pinning on" when it comes to people like Raymond Hewlett and Tractor Man - anyone conveniently dead who had absolutely nothing to do with the case.

In my mind there's no doubt that the McCanns know what happened to their daughter and they would be rightly charged with any offences relating to her disappearance.

Of course they could subsequently be found not guilty.

by dan55 23.11.13 17:08

Let us stick to the facts no one knows what maddie looks like today, I won''t go into all the possibilities or theories, even to plastic surgery. Maddie could well be with more caring better parent's. The paedophile theory only suits the ends of those trying to evoke emotional responses (to get money). There is NO evidence of this at all, and I am sick and tired of seeing photo's of a child that no longer exists being put into people's minds by a propaganda machine, the new photo is pure guesswork, she could have become obese, wears glasses or contact lenses or a thousand other things. We are being sold one big lie, no one knows what Maddie looked like or did look like even now,if she is still alive. The reason why I say the child in the photo's does not exist any more is because either she is deceased or she is a 10 year old! We have no idea what this child would look like! Rather than the try and find Maddie nonsense, would it not make more sense to try and find the abductor who is probably similar in their looks, as they would be mature, but we don't get this from the Mccann's. Mainly because there is NO evidence of any abductor, no evidence, no description, NOTHING!! They are asking us to look for something that no longer exists a 3 year old child that is now 10 yrs old! they still are trying to get us to believe she is something like the child in the photo's it's illogical. Get the abductor get the child! If there ever was a abductor! 3 and 3/4 years with parents 6 years with someone else!! think about it. I knew all about the slave trade (child trafficking etc ) 15 or more years ago it is only recently that it has become more apparent. I have prayed for years about it. Maybe Gerry Mccann sold her to one of these cartels and the rest is just one big cover up/smoke screen ????? The photo's are useless emotive propaganda!

by Guest 23.11.13 17:23

To take a short-cut, Dan, and with all due respect: you're saying, she isn't dead, she hasn't been abducted, but was sold?

by dan55 23.11.13 17:39

Looking at the characters involved, this is more likely to me, given the sworn evidence by the Irish witness that Gerry was seen taking her to the beach, Maybe it is just my hope! The other thoughts are really not bearable to me but I cannot rule them out. It is the fact that from the onset listening to GM that he knew she would not be found! That could only mean incineration or transport to maybe the middle east? It is my Gut feeling and for other reasons if you really think about it. I am not convinced he was her biological father in all the photo's after the birth of the twins he is never close to her! Why kill when you can transport or get someone else to do the dirty work for you. The main point is the photo's do not faithfully represent the person they are looking for and as such are useless.

by Guest 23.11.13 17:51

It has been scientifically proved, that Gerry is Madeleine's father. If we start doubting "everything" we wont' get "anywhere" ...

by Guest 23.11.13 19:15

Châtelaine wrote:It has been scientifically proved, that Gerry is Madeleine's father.

It has now. What if he didn't think so at the time? Boy, I bet he feels foolish now....

by dan55 23.11.13 19:46

Châtelaine wrote:It has been scientifically proved, that Gerry is Madeleine's father. If we start doubting "everything" we wont' get "anywhere" ...

how??? she is not available for tests

by Guest 23.11.13 20:07

Dan: the DNA extracted from the Rothley pillow, was of a child of BOTH Gerry and Kate McCann and NOT of her siblings Amelie and Sean.

Now I do agree it's a bit strange that a pillow from Rothley had to provide the DNA of a girl, who'd been on holiday in Portugal for a couple of days in Apt. 5A and I always found it strange [again] that the DNA of blood samples found behind the sofa, where the dogs marked, was ultimately classed as "inconclusive", but ...

Given that it was most probably Madeleine's DNA on the pillow and that there was no fourth sibling that we know of, I think we should accept that as "proof" ;-) The lack of DNA in Apt. 5A remains an enigma.

by ekatae 23.11.13 20:15

It has been scientifically proved, that Gerry is Madeleine's father. If we start doubting "everything" we wont' get "anywhere" ...

I am not sure if this above statement is correct? I read somewhere recently there are still doubts...

by Guest 23.11.13 20:17

ekatae wrote:It has been scientifically proved, that Gerry is Madeleine's father. If we start doubting "everything" we wont' get "anywhere" ...

I am not sure if this above statement is correct? I read somewhere recently there are still doubts...

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See my post above, ekatae. If you've read something elsewhere, please bring it over here.

by ekatae 23.11.13 20:25

I will try to find the recent thread (maybe not on this forum) but as it is Saturday today I need to log out and relax. I will leave the brilliant work to you guys. dance

by ekatae 23.11.13 23:08

I am back online and hope to find this thread.....! I know I was convinced by it at the time....but I am a newbie (as I have been referred to a few times) by the 6 year Forum DC's .......so may be wrong....

by Research_Reader 24.11.13 9:43

Yes, sadly I suspect that this mystery will echo on down the decades. Whatever has managed to keep the truth tightly under control for the last few years will, I believe, be able to keep it under control well into the future.

by Okeydokey 24.11.13 14:16

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Add the JFK assassination - 50 years ago on this very day - and yes, I think that the McCann case will still be hotly debated for many years to come.

I agree. If you read up on the JFK assassination you can see there are numerous difficulties and inconsistencies with the orthodox version. Even if one ends up concluding LHO killed JFK, you have to accept a remarkable series of coincidences e.g. that of all the places he could have ended up working, LHO just happened to get a job in the TSBD which afforded him the perfect shot at the President or that he could be sure none of his colleagues would come on to that floor to get a good look at the motorcade.

I agree that whatever happens, this case will be talked about for years to come. Eventually it will be written about - properly so.

by dan55 24.11.13 14:39

I have no knowledge of this pillow but it seems obvious to me that it is only the Mccann's testimony ( that can't be trusted) that Madeleine had anything to do with this pillow at all!!! The DNA could be from one of the twins? Please explain the circumstances you are referring to. Rgds Dan

by Guest 24.11.13 14:46

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This recent programme had a new (to me anyway) theory that the last and fatal shot could have been an accidental one from a secret service agent.

It's more believable than the other theory I've just heard that JFK's driver deliberately shot him!

by Guest 24.11.13 16:12

dan55 wrote:I have no knowledge of this pillow but it seems obvious to me that it is only the Mccann's testimony ( that can't be trusted) that Madeleine had anything to do with this pillow at all!!! The DNA could be from one of the twins? Please explain the circumstances you are referring to. Rgds Dan

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Please read 09-Processos Vol IX Pages 2280 to 2281 [forensic report on Madeleine's DNA from pillow case: natural child of Kate and Gerry McCann] and 09-Processos Vol IX 2287 to 2288 [forensic report on DNA NOT being from twins]

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by Genbug 24.11.13 16:14

ekatae wrote:It has been scientifically proved, that Gerry is Madeleine's father. If we start doubting "everything" we wont' get "anywhere" ...

I am not sure if this above statement is correct? I read somewhere recently there are still doubts...

Am I the only one that sees a strong physical resemblance between Madeleine and Gerry's family?