The grey stone slab
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The grey stone slab
May 5th, 07. p 105 'I cried out I could see her lying cold and mottled on a large grey stone slab'*
Now, this is 'supposedly' from a 'horrible vision' Kate had of the fate of .Madeleine. Call me strange if you will, but a 'large grey stone slab' is NOT the first thing I would imagine if I thought my child had been 'abducted by a paedophile ! Dumped in the woods, or a field perhaps.
I know everybody is different, but to me a 'stone slab' seems so far removed from the 'supposed reality' that it makes me think it is something K actually WITNESSED, not hallucinated.
It gave me chills the first time I read it, on The Sun, it made me feel truly sick and I thought for one odd moment K was publicly confessing to what happened to MBM!
Then again, MAYBE she WAS, in a round about way?
Any thoughts on this much appreciated. For me, this a stand out comment, much more so than the infamous p. 129 comment.
*may be slightly paraphrased, don't have the book personally.
Now, this is 'supposedly' from a 'horrible vision' Kate had of the fate of .Madeleine. Call me strange if you will, but a 'large grey stone slab' is NOT the first thing I would imagine if I thought my child had been 'abducted by a paedophile ! Dumped in the woods, or a field perhaps.
I know everybody is different, but to me a 'stone slab' seems so far removed from the 'supposed reality' that it makes me think it is something K actually WITNESSED, not hallucinated.
It gave me chills the first time I read it, on The Sun, it made me feel truly sick and I thought for one odd moment K was publicly confessing to what happened to MBM!
Then again, MAYBE she WAS, in a round about way?
Any thoughts on this much appreciated. For me, this a stand out comment, much more so than the infamous p. 129 comment.
*may be slightly paraphrased, don't have the book personally.
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Hi rainbow fairy.
Could she be referring to a post portem slab???
Also, the church in Portugal where they were staying was having some floor work done while they were there......
Maybe thats the stone slab she means???? Just my own thoughts...nothing concrete in what i have said (pardon the pun)
Could she be referring to a post portem slab???
Also, the church in Portugal where they were staying was having some floor work done while they were there......
Maybe thats the stone slab she means???? Just my own thoughts...nothing concrete in what i have said (pardon the pun)
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Mini Slueth wrote:Hi rainbow fairy.
Could she be referring to a post mortem slab???
Also, the church in Portugal where they were staying was having some floor work done while they were there......
Maybe thats the stone slab she means???? Just my own thoughts...nothing concrete in what i have said (pardon the pun)
Hey Mini Sleuth, I liked the pun ;-)
I instantly thought of the church, and their friendship with the vicars. In light of fact the Vatican no longer support them and Fr Pacheco is allegedly 'a broken man' - I wonder did he discover M in the church?
He does say now that he was 'lied to by McC's'
I did briefly consider a mortuary slab, but -i'm reliably informed they are metal?
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"I was crying out that I could see Madeleine lying, cold and mottled, on a big grey stone slab."
Some mortuary tables are heavy white ceramic.
Some mortuary tables are heavy white ceramic.
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My thoughts were either somwhere up on the Rocha Negra or a tombestone in the church. Either way not something I would have shared with the world.
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Gillyspot wrote:My thoughts were either somwhere up on the Rocha Negra or a tombestone in the church. Either way not something I would have shared with the world.
Is the Rocha Negra the 'rocks'???
No, I wouldn't have shared it either. It's the word 'slab' that got me - that sounds so definite? Which is what makes me think it WAS NOT a vision but a reality. My first reaction was one of those rectangular 'altar-type' tombstones?
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Rocha Negra
Here's a picture of it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitor107/2320111011/
Is the literal meaning "black rocks"?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitor107/2320111011/
Is the literal meaning "black rocks"?
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PeterMac wrote:"I was crying out that I could see Madeleine lying, cold and mottled, on a big grey stone slab."
Some mortuary tables are heavy white ceramic.
Thanks, PeterMac, I do appreciate being corrected when I'm wrong (happens lots nowadays)!
Do you have any take on whether it was truly a 'vision' or not a la p.129?
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Could it be just a figure of speech?
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Hi lj, certainly not a figure of speech I've ever heard of???lj wrote:Could it be just a figure of speech?
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Jean wrote:Here's a picture of it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitor107/2320111011/
Is the literal meaning "black rocks"?
Jean, thanks for the link to the lovely photo, yes the literal meaning iS ,black rocks, you are correct.
Do you know if these are the same as those that K refers to as 'her rocks'?
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Jean wrote:Here's a picture of it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitor107/2320111011/
Is the literal meaning "black rocks"?
Jean, thanks for the link to the lovely photo, yes the literal meaning iS ,black rocks, you are correct.
Do you know if these are the same as those that K refers to as 'her rocks'?
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I have heard it in the New England area, although I have to admit it was most of the time followed by the "with pennies on your eyes" which is from Irish heritage, I believe.
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lj wrote:I have heard it in the New England area, although I have to admit it was most of the time followed by the "with pennies on your eyes" which is from Irish heritage, I believe.
So what would the full expression be, if it included 'with pennies on your eyes', and what would it actually mean?
Sorry lj you'll have to forgive me, I'm not usually so obtuse! I think the sun has gone to my head - it's been V hot where I am today! :-)
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Pennies from heaven?
I've heard of the expression about pennies on the eyes in the context as in this link:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/58/messages/1694.html
I don't know of any connection with black rocks though.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/58/messages/1694.html
I don't know of any connection with black rocks though.
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When I think of a grey stone slab, I think of an altar in church or the stone plate that covers a grave.
It is indeed a weird picture to have. Would have been more logical for Kate to think of bushes, or a ditch, or underneath a cover of a sewer, of the bottom of the sea ... Etc. Sorry, sad subject.
It is indeed a weird picture to have. Would have been more logical for Kate to think of bushes, or a ditch, or underneath a cover of a sewer, of the bottom of the sea ... Etc. Sorry, sad subject.
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EXACTLY Juulcy, my thoughts down to the last letter!Juulcy wrote:When I think of a grey stone slab, I think of an altar in church or the stone plate that covers a grave.
It is indeed a weird picture to have. Would have been more logical for Kate to think of bushes, or a ditch, or underneath a cover of a sewer, of the bottom of the sea ... Etc. Sorry, sad subject.
Like so many of the McC's statements, reactions and body language tells there is something really 'off', IMO.
Yes, it is a sad subject, but the whole sorry story of MBM is also.
It just stinks. Poor Maddie deserves justice, and I just hope againt hope she gets it, somehow.
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The term 'pennies on your eyes' would refer to the habit of placing pennies on a body after death.... I suppose to ensure eyes stayed closed? a penny was a large coin and about the right size to cover a closed eye.
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rainbow-fairy wrote:Jean wrote:Here's a picture of it.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vitor107/2320111011/
Is the literal meaning "black rocks"?
Jean, thanks for the link to the lovely photo, yes the literal meaning iS ,black rocks, you are correct.
Do you know if these are the same as those that K refers to as 'her rocks'?
I think "her rocks" are just a rocky area of the beach where not many people go but I think they are towards the Rocha Negra.
Just a thought. How come the press did leave the McCanns alone to go running, playing on the beach with the kids, food shopping etc? The story was MASSIVE so even if the journos and photographers employed by the media held off the freelancers surely wouldn't. Would they? I would have expected 1000's of photos every day yet there are so very few really (when you think about it).
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It's very interesting, I never thought about that before. "I couldn't help myself. And all of this needed to come out. I dread to think what it might have done to me if it hadn't." Is Katie trying to justify something that she said at the time I wonder?
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It's very interesting, I never thought about that before. "I couldn't help myself. And all of this needed to come out. I dread to think what it might have done to me if it hadn't." Is Katie trying to justify something that she said at the time I wonder?
Or Did Molly?
Kate appears to have such vivid unpleasant "dreams" of the horrific things that could have befallen Madeleine (and if she truly had been abducted - could well have) yet both Kate and Gerry still insists there is "no evidence" of any harm coming to her. Which is a true expression of her "honest" feelings regarding Madeleine's fate as they surely both cannot be?
"No evidence" being correct ONLY if you ignore the dogs findings, the deleted calls, the changing timelines, locked unlocked doors & windows etc. (Oh and you believe in invisible Jane Tanner.
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Gillyspot wrote:Molly wrote:
It's very interesting, I never thought about that before. "I couldn't help myself. And all of this needed to come out. I dread to think what it might have done to me if it hadn't." Is Katie trying to justify something that she said at the time I wonder?
Or Did Molly?
Kate appears to have such vivid unpleasant "dreams" of the horrific things that could have befallen Madeleine (and if she truly had been abducted - could well have) yet both Kate and Gerry still insists there is "no evidence" of any harm coming to her. Which is a true expression of her "honest" feelings regarding Madeleine's fate as they surely both cannot be?
"No evidence" being correct ONLY if you ignore the dogs findings, the deleted calls, the changing timelines, locked unlocked doors & windows etc. (Oh and you believe in invisible Jane Tanner.
Quite, Gillyspot! Frankly, it makes me sick when they repeat, ad nauseum ' there is no evidence to SUGGEST she has come to any harm' er, I would say if you think your daughter has been abducted by paedophiles, that is suggestion enough she has come to quite significant harm (unless, of course, you don't believe that paedophile activities harm children?!?) So perhaps 'there is no evidence to PROVE she has come to any harm' might be better? But - that isn't true either - there is Eddie and Keela, for starters, FSS first, correct report (before they were leant on to, er, 'contaminate' the samples etc). I doubt even Gerry could say that with a straight face, a definite sneer would have to creep in.
Maybe, re the slab, Kate just has a VERY VIVID
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It's a very cinematic image. I wonder what films she was watching for pointers. The woman has no imagination, this is normal for sociopathic personalities.
Also, they were photographed against the sky, sitting on the rocks nearby? Romantic and yet sad at the same time, the 'star-crossed' couple.
Also, they were photographed against the sky, sitting on the rocks nearby? Romantic and yet sad at the same time, the 'star-crossed' couple.
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I think it was to pay Charon, the ferry man across the Styx.dentdelion wrote:The term 'pennies on your eyes' would refer to the habit of placing pennies on a body after death.... I suppose to ensure eyes stayed closed? ....
If you couldn't pay you wandered the shore for a hundred years.
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tigger wrote:It's a very cinematic image. I wonder what films she was watching for pointers. The woman has no imagination, this is normal for sociopathic personalities.
Also, they were photographed against the sky, sitting on the rocks nearby? Romantic and yet sad at the same time, the 'star-crossed' couple.
And all together now, ahhhhh.....
Never thought about it like that, tigger. Probably setting the 'dramatic scenes' for Madeleine - the Movie' is released coming to a cinema near you - ALL PROCEEDS WILL GO TO
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