Re: St Vincents Algarve

by ROSA 14.08.11 8:01

i think it is true

by **PeterMac** 14.08.11 8:06

tigger wrote:
Personally I don't believe in the theft. Nor do I. It is all far too 'Disney'
Gerry had quite a two days of it:

On the plane over he saved the life of a man who became unwell, who was taken to hospital by ambulance. Source: Gerry. Nothing ever heard about this again. No-one else has confirmed this.
This would have been written up in detail in the Captain's log. It is unlikely that the press would not have heard of it either from the airline or from at least one of the other passengers. It is capable of verification even at this stage. Flight logs are not destroyed. They are kept, so far as I know, at least for the entire life of the aeroplane. The ambulance which services that aiport, and the A&E department of the local hospital will have records. Again, these records are not destroyed.

In three separate places in London his wallet was reported stolen: Waterloo Station, Whitehall and nr. Downing Street. (Newspapers)
Wallet was returned some weeks later by a friend from Amsterdam, who had picked it up from Rothley, where the 'thief' had sent it, complete with 30 euros in it and all the cards. Source: Gerry. No witnesses. There was a question mark over their financial records - did he need to compromise the cards for some reason. When the wallet was returned, he did not say the photographs were in it but 'one or two precious items.' Gerry's Blog.
Was the theft reported to the Police ? If so, the crime report will still be there. They are also not destroyed.
Were the credit cards cancelled with the relevant companies ? If so their records will be available. They too do not destroy this sort of information, in case the card starts being used somewhere else in the world.

Following day Kate and probably Michael Wright picked him up from the airport late at night. On the way back they saw a drunk lying in the road. Helped him up and took him to his apartment. He'd recognised them. Now one poster on another site, thought this was another pre emptive strike. They needed to visit a flat and one of them could have acted drunk in case they were seen? Source again: Gerry and later Kate. Never heard from the drunk.
Was Michael Wright ever interviewed about this ?

Amaral has a question mark over that area. It may even have been the night the body was moved. They were clearly not followed by journalists all the time as all these little adventures prove.

This is one hell of a pact of silence !
Occam's Razor would suggest fabrication. A lie. Several lies actually.

by **tigger** 14.08.11 9:17

PeterMac wrote:
tigger wrote:
Personally I don't believe in the theft. Nor do I. It is all far too 'Disney'
Gerry had quite a two days of it:

On the plane over he saved the life of a man who became unwell, who was taken to hospital by ambulance. Source: Gerry. Nothing ever heard about this again. No-one else has confirmed this.
This would have been written up in detail in the Captain's log. It is unlikely that the press would not have heard of it either from the airline or from at least one of the other passengers. It is capable of verification even at this stage. Flight logs are not destroyed. They are kept, so far as I know, at least for the entire life of the aeroplane. The ambulance which services that aiport, and the A&E department of the local hospital will have records. Again, these records are not destroyed.

In three separate places in London his wallet was reported stolen: Waterloo Station, Whitehall and nr. Downing Street. (Newspapers)
Wallet was returned some weeks later by a friend from Amsterdam, who had picked it up from Rothley, where the 'thief' had sent it, complete with 30 euros in it and all the cards. Source: Gerry. No witnesses. There was a question mark over their financial records - did he need to compromise the cards for some reason. When the wallet was returned, he did not say the photographs were in it but 'one or two precious items.' Gerry's Blog.
Was the theft reported to the Police ? If so, the crime report will still be there. They are also not destroyed.
Were the credit cards cancelled with the relevant companies ? If so their records will be available. They too do not destroy this sort of information, in case the card starts being used somewhere else in the world.

Following day Kate and probably Michael Wright picked him up from the airport late at night. On the way back they saw a drunk lying in the road. Helped him up and took him to his apartment. He'd recognised them. Now one poster on another site, thought this was another pre emptive strike. They needed to visit a flat and one of them could have acted drunk in case they were seen? Source again: Gerry and later Kate. Never heard from the drunk.
Was Michael Wright ever interviewed about this ?

Amaral has a question mark over that area. It may even have been the night the body was moved. They were clearly not followed by journalists all the time as all these little adventures prove.

This is one hell of a pact of silence !
Occam's Razor would suggest fabrication. A lie. Several lies actually.

Thanks for the comments. I'm pretty sure the wallet was reported stolen and he did cancel the credit cards, which may well have been the object of the exercise. Take out the sterling, send to Rothley - (was sent to their old address - a piece of paper with that address on was found in the wallet). The wallet was posted from London the following day. Why would a thief not take the Euros which can be used in some shops and changed to about
£ 25,00? Why send to their old address as by that time every newspaper carried their story and appeals for money simply to be sent to: Kate and Gerry, Rothley was sufficient as an address? The thief is supposed to have regretted his act when he discovered who the victim was. Too much embroidery, keep it simple Ger!
Yes, re the airplane. Exactly my thoughts, should all be logged and why didn't journos rush to the relevant hospital to interview this man? even ambulance records should be available. All very mysterious.
The drunk, said to be Portugese, must have been able enough to tell them where his flat was and done that in English.
Re the drunk, Kate said in her book 'we've all been there', well, speak for yourself Kate. Many of us have never collapsed drunk anywhere!

by Guest 14.08.11 10:24

The stories involving brave deeds and one misfortune after another reminds me of the sycophantic journalism years ago about the Kennedy political dynasty in America. How heroic they were in facing up to all the adversity that life threw at them. I believed every word of it and idolised them in the way that others did about film stars or singers. When Edward Kennedy had that strange car accident in 1969 in which a young woman died, I was the equivalent of a McCann supporter, refusing to believe that he could possibly have done anything wrong!

Times changed and over the years there have been very scathing stories on the behaviour of some of the Kennedys; it seems to me that even they didn't have the power that the McCanns now have in keeping a muzzle on the media.

by puzzled 14.08.11 13:57

tigger wrote:
Those pictures may never have existed? Just a bit of press manipulation.
Personally I don't believe in the theft. Gerry had quite a two days of it:

On the plane over he saved the life of a man who became unwell, who was taken to hospital by ambulance. Source: Gerry. Nothing ever heard about this again. No-one else has confirmed this.
In three separate places in London his wallet was reported stolen: Waterloo Station, Whitehall and nr. Downing Street. (Newspapers)
Wallet was returned some weeks later by a friend from Amsterdam, who had picked it up from Rothley, where the 'thief' had sent it, complete with 30 euros in it and all the cards. Source: Gerry. No witnesses. There was a question mark over their financial records - did he need to compromise the cards for some reason. When the wallet was returned, he did not say the photographs were in it but 'one or two precious items.' Gerry's Blog.
Following day Kate and probably Michael Wright picked him up from the airport late at night. On the way back they saw a drunk lying in the road. Helped him up and took him to his apartment. He'd recognised them. Now one poster on another site, thought this was another pre emptive strike. They needed to visit a flat and one of them could have acted drunk in case they were seen? Source again: Gerry and later Kate. Never heard from the drunk.
Amaral has a question mark over that area. It may even have been the night the body was moved. They were clearly not followed by journalists all the time as all these little adventures prove.

Psychopathic personalities often lie just for the sake of it. They often have fantasist tendencies too, and it's well-known that they will continue to lie even when they've been caught out. For them, language doesn't have the same relationship to the world to them as it does for the rest of us.

by lj 14.08.11 17:11

Exactly, and that is very hard for normal people to accept. It does not make sense for a healthy person. It does not make sense to lie, if there is no reason, it does not make sense to keep on lying when you were caught.

In fact that is one of the mechanisms sociopaths use, often deliberately.

by ROSA 15.08.11 0:14

by ROSA 15.08.11 2:32

ROSA wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1555256/Madeleines-father-has-treasured-photos-stolen.html
One picture is said to show Madeleine at 15 months while another was taken in church more recently.
Ms McCann said: "I hope whoever took the wallet is so ashamed when they realise what they've just done that they get those pictures back to us as soon as possible.
"He's desperate to get them back because they're precious to him.

by puzzled 15.08.11 16:06

lj wrote:Exactly, and that is very hard for normal people to accept. It does not make sense for a healthy person. It does not make sense to lie, if there is no reason, it does not make sense to keep on lying when you were caught.

In fact that is one of the mechanisms sociopaths use, often deliberately.

It's worth reading the book "Without Conscience; The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths among us" by Robert Hare, to get an insight into this sort of personality. At any rate, here's the Hare Psychopathy Checklist below:

http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/narcissism/psychopathy_checklist.html

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