Re: The creche enquiry

by lj 23.06.11 14:30

Stella wrote:If you look for Kikoratton on Twitter, note the 2 T's in ratton,

see post on the 2nd June.

you will read what happened when he telephoned this Mr Naylor. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Stella, I can't get further back than june 19th. It says older tweets not available.
Would you be able to post the contents here?

by lj 23.06.11 14:33

admin wrote:
The doc wrote:No matter what you dream up the Mccanns did not do anything to THEIR daughter.

You must know the McCann's personally to state that as fact?

Maybe he part of their "doc" circle. titter

I am just fascinated by the THEIR in capitals.

If they had such capital parental feelings you would think they would care a bit better for their children.

by ROSA 23.06.11 14:40

The doc must be sick :puke:

by Guest 23.06.11 14:59

lj wrote:
Stella wrote:If you look for Kikoratton on Twitter, note the 2 T's in ratton,

see post on the 2nd June.

you will read what happened when he telephoned this Mr Naylor. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Stella, I can't get further back than june 19th. It says older tweets not available.
Would you be able to post the contents here?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]kikorattondewi lennard

The point about Naylor - when I rang him, he didn't say "wot the f... you talking about, lennard?" He knew perfectly well. He knows.

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by Guest 23.06.11 15:01

ROSA wrote:Because if she died on the 28th or early hours 29th and i beleive this is more a real date of her death and the creche records if it proves this it is game over for the mccanns fullstop
M dies on 28th and they have to fake it and sign her in with helpers was naylor a helper
the kids club can only know the fake child who was signed in as madeleine

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] You've got it in one ROSA. Remember the Prince and the Pauper trick ? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by ROSA 23.06.11 15:05

Stella thankyou for all your hardwork and help i think everyone here they know how hard you and candyfloss and admin and the others work to open ours eyes and see the truth i thank you all
thumbsup

by Guest 23.06.11 15:12

Well thank you ROSA. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] But we must not forget one very important thing here. Nothing has been proven yet !!

We still have a LONG way to go to get the Met to look into this thoroughly and to do this properly, they will need to get their hands on the originals that are currently with the PJ, to forensically test all of the handwriting.
Maybe now that Pat Brown is a member here, she will also take a look into this. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

The funny thing is, I have a feeling it will be another one of the guests (not mentioned) that was staying out there who will be the one to blow the whistle. We shall see.

by Guest 23.06.11 15:42

I will say one more thing. The creche sheets alone, is very interesting. But when you put Kiko's phone information along side SOME of it. There are a few very important things that jump out at you.

Gerry had to take a very important phone call from someone on the morning of the 3rd. At exactly the same time as Kate signs a "Madeleine" out of creche AM for the first time that week. It's usually Gerry who signs Madeleine out AM, not Kate.

by Guest 23.06.11 16:20

AM	29		30		1		2		3
	in	out	in	out	in	out	in	out	in	out
Berry	9.10	12.00	9.00	12.00	9.00	12.00	9.30	12.30	9.00	12.15
Naylor	9.10	12.30	9.25	12.30	9.10	12.30	9.20	12.30	9.10
Mann	9.15	12.30	9.30	12.30	9.25	12.20	9.45	12.30	9.25	12.30
Totman	9.15	12.30	9.00	12.25	9.20	12.25	9.45	12.20	9.25	12.20
McCann	9.45	12.15	9.30	12.10	9.30	12.20	9.20	12.30	9.10	12.25
O'Brien			9.15	12.35	9.00		9.30	12.30	9.50	12.30
Patel							9.45	12.30

		did not attend that session
		not signed out that session

Notice anything else interesting about the morning of the 3rd?

Look who didn't get signed out !!

by Guest 23.06.11 16:24

	sun	mon	tue	wed	thur
Lobsters	29	30	1	2	3

AM in	9.45	9.30	9.30	9.20	9.10
AM out	12.15	12.10	12.20	12.30	12.25
PM in	2.45	3.15	2.30	2.45	2.50
PM out	5.30	3.30		5.30	5.30

		KM	signed
		GM	signed
		Madeleine not signed out

by lj 23.06.11 17:17

Stella wrote:
lj wrote:
Stella wrote:If you look for Kikoratton on Twitter, note the 2 T's in ratton,

see post on the 2nd June.

you will read what happened when he telephoned this Mr Naylor. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Stella, I can't get further back than june 19th. It says older tweets not available.
Would you be able to post the contents here?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]kikorattondewi lennard

The point about Naylor - when I rang him, he didn't say "wot the f... you talking about, lennard?" He knew perfectly well. He knows.

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Thank you Stella, very interesting!

by puzzled 23.06.11 17:35

Stella wrote:

It is believed that she is the daughter of another family staying out there, who was not a Mark Warner guest. A poster on here by the name of Kiko has seen her picture and her name is very similar to the spelling Madeleine.

Very Interesting. Would this mean the parents of this other child were in on it, then?

by puzzled 23.06.11 17:42

Stella wrote:
Study Gerry's handwriting. The slant at the end of the name rising up at the end. The sharp tips to the letters N and R.

Then look at the numbers. Especially the 7. Look at how the minutes after the hour are elevated. Also look for entries that line up exactly with what is above.

See anything interesting now? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Looking at the handwriting, the most noticeable thing is that in Gerry McCann's writing, on the capital N, the last stroke rises, and turns inwards. On the O'Brien writing, it also rises, but there is a little turn outwards, almost not noticeable. To me, this looks more like the Naylor writing.

What's being hinted at here? Are you saying that one of the tapas 9 was this Naylor person? Is there no independent proof that such a person existed? This matter seems to get more and more bizarre by the minute!

by ROSA 23.06.11 21:03

Naylor didnt get sighed out on the 3rd Stella

by ROSA 24.06.11 0:21

In her book released on 12th May Kate suddenly acknowledged that Madeleine might NOT have taken part in the sailing trip.
_________________________________________________________________________________
BECAUSE KATE SAID SOMEWHERE ONE DAY MADELEINE WENT SAILING BUT IN HER BOOK SHE IS NOT SURE
Is this because who signed the (child fake)in forgot at the time to tell Kate what that child did or did not do ?

by Guest 24.06.11 12:15

ROSA wrote:Naylor didnt get sighed out on the 3rd Stella

That's right ROSA and would you like to know something else?

Kate only ever signed the other 'Madeleine' in, when the Naylor child was NOT present...

When the Naylor child did not show up that session, or when on the first morning, there was a 35 minute gap between the Naylor child being signed in and Kate arriving with the 'Madeleine'.

Why were there two sets of Naylor's staying out there?

One family booked through MW in BP01, the other through a private arrangement in G4N ?

by Upsy Daisy 24.06.11 13:29

Also, if she died before May 3rd,or even before May1st, who was the child heard crying on the night of MAy 1st?
We
must not forget it was just the one child that was heard. If all 3
McCann children had been in that room, more than one child would have
been heard crying. As I believe that all of the children were being
looked after in one room, not in G5A, but in another apartment
elsewhere. The single child heard could have been one of the twins
being transported between rooms. Or it could have just been any one of
the children in the group left to scream the place down for over an
hour, so that someone nearby heard them to verify that the children were
being left alone.

Perhaps the twins didn't waken up because they had been sedated (remember how they were on 3rd May, 'abduction night')... perhaps the next night after the crying episode, Madeleine was given extra sedation to ensure that she didn't waken...... and it all went wrong and she truly DIDN'T waken.

by Guest 24.06.11 14:15

In my opinion, the creche and phone activity points to something happening on the night of the 28th, or the very early hours of the 29th. Everything else that happened after that is therefore questionable.

by Guest 24.06.11 14:25

Something else to consider. :flower:

Do you remember the big kafuffle over 'the' Madeleine and Maddie issue ?

Some creche workers knew of a child in the creche introducing herself as Maddie.

Gerry making an issue about his daughter only being known as Madeleine.

Have you ever wondered why this came about ?

by Guest 24.06.11 14:36

Did you know that as a "Madeleine" was signed out of creche at 5.30 on the 3rd, with the alarm being raised at 10pm.

That's 4.5 hours for "Madeleine" to leave the resort and exit the country with her parents. All totally legit and above board.

Do you remember the taxi driver who swears he had "Madeleine" in his taxi at 8.10pm and after a fairly short journey the group transferred into a jeep heading for somewhere ? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by Guest 24.06.11 16:00

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Would Kate McCann really spell her own daughters name wrong on the 3rd of May ?

Is that really Kate's writing ?

Was someone getting the Madelene's confused on D Day ?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] well spotted Kiko.

by IAmNotMerylStreep 24.06.11 16:06

It looks spelt correctly to me if you look at the 'n' in McCann it's the same. I can see a little mark which looks like an 'i' before the 'n'

by Guest 24.06.11 16:08

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by Guest 24.06.11 16:11

IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:It looks spelt correctly to me if you look at the 'n' in McCann it's the same. I can see a little mark which looks like an 'i' before the 'n'

It looks to me like someone had to hesitate and think how the spelling went, which is why I think they kind of merged. It is not like that on any other day.

by Baronstu 24.06.11 16:34

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:21 pm

From Kates book:

Having arranged for Gerry to meet the children, I opted to go for a run along the beach, where I spotted the rest of our
holiday group. They saw me and shouted some words of encouragement. At least, I think that’s what they were shouting! I
remember feeling fleetingly disappointed that we hadn’t known they were all heading for the beach, as it might have been
nice to have joined them, especially for the kids. I wondered whether Madeleine had been OK about staying behind at Mini
Club when Russ or Jane had collected Ella. I wasn’t to know at that stage that in fact they had only just arrived when I ran by.
It’s hard work being a mum sometimes, fretting about the possible effects of the smallest of incidents on your children. I’m sure
a lot of these worries are unfounded but it doesn’t stop us having them, and we’ll probably go on having them for the rest of
our lives.
I had finished my run by five-thirty at the Tapas area, where I found Madeleine and the twins already having their tea with

Gerry.

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The link is to the McCanfiles Creche record for the 3rd May. Kate signed Madeleine out at 17:30 (allegedly).

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