What precisely was Katey's professional status

by **PeterMac** 08.06.11 9:19

p. 39 ",,,Sean and Amelie were born, and once they had passed their first birthday I returned to work part-time, as a GP and also as a clinical tutor to medical students for a half-day every week.
p. 143 "For the moment , Gerry was on paid compassionate leave. As a locum, I wasn't entitled to this but the partners at my surgery all agreed they wanted to give me two months' pay, which was greatly appreciated."

A part-time GP is NOT the same as a locum. A locum does not by definition have "partners at my surgery". A 'locum tenens' is acting 'in loco', - in place of the regular doctor when that person is absent. A part-time GP works in a practice as a partner, but has fewer contracted hours.
Is this just the normal sloppy English we have grown to expect ?

by The Shelfstacker 08.06.11 10:19

In fairness to K McCann, it is possible to be a locum and work part-time at it. Some do this for years, in theory "holding place" for someone else but in practice becoming part of the furniture.

Also, when she mentions partners she does say "the partners" not "my partners" which is consistent with her locum position.

by Letterwriter 08.06.11 11:37

I concur with Shelfstacker.

I know a Pharmacist and the term
'locum' is used fairly liberally in that profession too. It seems to be
used to denote someone who is a self employed contractor, rather than
an employee. Many do work regular hours, as opposed to solely providing
cover for holidays, maternity, sickness etc (as the term implies and
perhaps was originally used for) but as they are a contractor, the
practice can dispense (excuse the pun!) with their services simply by
not booking them in for any more work, rather than having to go through
the rigmorale of a sacking or redundancy as one would with an employee.

by **PeterMac** 08.06.11 12:14

OK. Fair enough.

by Atilliator 08.06.11 15:35

She specialised as an anaesthetist, although I don't know if she ever worked as such. She was a locum, and I think, not attached to any particular practice.

by The Shelfstacker 09.06.11 22:04

She was an anaesthetic registrar, undergoing specialist training in anaesthetics. Therefore she will have been working as an anaesthetist, albeit one in training.

She did not complete her specialist training (do not draw any adverse inferences from this; many doctors don't) and switched to general practice in a locum capacity.

Locum appointments can be long or short term. Hers, as I understand it, was ongoing and of longstanding. Employment rights accrue over time for locums as they do for permanent staff, including protection from dismissal. K McCann was a locum but her longevity in the practice meant she was a full member of staff in all but name.

by Kitti 10.06.11 7:32

She was a locum which is a temporary position and covers for someone else and may turn Into permanent In the future.

by wickerman 07.10.16 17:20

On page 14 of her (hardback) book , she says she received a phone call from New Zealand offering her the position of "a neo-natal consultant in Auckland". Yet when she gets there- only two pages later- she has this to say.

"I was classed as a registrar even though I had no neo-natal experience and had junior doctors who worked under me who did". There's a number of questions arising from this. Why did they offer her such a senior post when she had no experience? Why didn't these junior doctors get the post? They may have not have been qualified as such, but they had more experience than her. Wasn't this phone called from them followed up by a letter? It would be strange if it wasn't. It may exist, but I doubt it. Furthermore, there is nothing about her complaining at the time to the Kiwis about working as a registrar when they offered her a consultant's role. Nor does she mention it to us, her readers. Did they lie to her? I can't see why. Is it possible that Kate was lying to us about the job, out of a sense of self-importance? And would anyone employ someone as a consultant who had only qualified as a doctor three years ago, if that, and had no experience in the field?

by Roxyroo 07.10.16 17:41

I wondered this too, having just finished the beuwk there are many unanswered questions.
Maybe this explains all the dead bodies before Portugal? Lol. I know, I know, but Doc Shipman was still loved by some of his patients years afterwards! big grin

by Guest 07.10.16 20:43

Roxyroo wrote:I wondered this too, having just finished the beuwk there are many unanswered questions.
Maybe this explains all the dead bodies before Portugal? Lol. I know, I know, but Doc Shipman was still loved by some of his patients years afterwards!

I hope you didn't actually buy the book Roxyroo. You do know that all profits therefrom are donated to the 'I'm not gonna search for Madeleine fund' don't you?

big grin

by Guest 07.10.16 20:46

This woman has more facets than the Master of Disguise - a masquerade in the making.

~~Kate McCann~~ 'madeleine' by KATE MCCANN..

I’d found myself embarking on a career in obstetrics and gynaecology. While that hadn’t been my intention – I’d planned simply to gain the experience I needed for general practice – I really enjoyed O&G.

Early in 1995, during an oncology posting I’d taken up to enhance my O&G training, I started to apply for jobs in Australia via an organized scheme. I also sent one letter on spec to a hospital in New Zealand at the suggestion of a Kiwi colleague. I was expecting a formal response by post in due course, so I was somewhat taken aback when I was called to the phone one day at work and found myself being offered a job by a neo-natal consultant in Auckland. I said yes.

Left for New Zealand July 1995 - after this stint in neo-natal, took a six month job in O&G in wellington.

September 1996 returned to Glasgow - I worked initially at the maternity unit at the Queen Mother’s Hospital before transferring to anaesthetics at the Western Infirmary in 1997.
---------

Geeez, they were only there for just over a year and no proof of any of it - to be taken with a barrel of salt in my view. The woman is either mentally unstable, flighty or a fantasist, or possibly a combination of all three - it's for you to decide.

by Roxyroo 08.10.16 13:21

Verdi wrote:
Roxyroo wrote:I wondered this too, having just finished the beuwk there are many unanswered questions.
Maybe this explains all the dead bodies before Portugal? Lol. I know, I know, but Doc Shipman was still loved by some of his patients years afterwards!
I hope you didn't actually buy the book Roxyroo. You do know that all profits therefrom are donated to the 'I'm not gonna search for Madeleine fund' don't you?

Don't worry, I didn't buy the book, someone gave me it

by wickerman 08.10.16 18:42

Whoops! My mistake. You're quite right. She was offered a position by a consultant, not for a consultant's post. However, she didn't have any neo-natal experience. She also doesn't name the colleague who suggested it, or any other colleague in NZ, nor the hospitals she worked in Auckland or Wellington. Can't she remember any of this? This is despite finding the Kiwis "lovely, capable, easy-going people". I'm sure they probably did go there, but a lack of detail puts doubt in your mind.

by Liz Eagles 08.10.16 19:01

wickerman wrote:Whoops! My mistake. You're quite right. She was offered a position by a consultant, not for a consultant's post. However, she didn't have any neo-natal experience. She also doesn't name the colleague who suggested it, or any other colleague in NZ, nor the hospitals she worked in Auckland or Wellington. Can't she remember any of this? This is despite finding the Kiwis "lovely, capable, easy-going people". I'm sure they probably did go there, but a lack of detail puts doubt in your mind.

Yes, you got it wrong.

Tell me, in Kate's bewk (about herself) would you expect her to name just about everyone she'd ever met?

by sar 11.10.16 9:00

Verdi wrote:This woman has more facets than the Master of Disguise - a masquerade in the making.

~~Kate McCann~~ 'madeleine' by KATE MCCANN..

I’d found myself embarking on a career in obstetrics and gynaecology. While that hadn’t been my intention – I’d planned simply to gain the experience I needed for general practice – I really enjoyed O&G.

Early in 1995, during an oncology posting I’d taken up to enhance my O&G training, I started to apply for jobs in Australia via an organized scheme. I also sent one letter on spec to a hospital in New Zealand at the suggestion of a Kiwi colleague. I was expecting a formal response by post in due course, so I was somewhat taken aback when I was called to the phone one day at work and found myself being offered a job by a neo-natal consultant in Auckland. I said yes.

Left for New Zealand July 1995 - after this stint in neo-natal, took a six month job in O&G in wellington.

September 1996 returned to Glasgow - I worked initially at the maternity unit at the Queen Mother’s Hospital before transferring to anaesthetics at the Western Infirmary in 1997.
---------

Geeez, they were only there for just over a year and no proof of any of it - to be taken with a barrel of salt in my view. The woman is either mentally unstable, flighty or a fantasist, or possibly a combination of all three - it's for you to decide.

".....so I was somewhat taken aback when....."

Wow! More front than Harrods! Imagine her editor sitting down with her and cutting and pasting this into the final draught!!!! Chuckling over a cold glass of NZ's finest!! Just like you were somewhat taken aback by Clement Freud inviting you to enjoy a few strawberry daiquiri's poolside before a cordon bleu dinner created by the man himself! A man who raped a 14 year old. We all know you read this green ink, hope you are still laughing you bunch of see you's next tuesday's

by wallad 27.10.17 4:27

She stated in the 10th anniversary interview that she's gone back to work (not before time), but it's not as a GP. Does anyone know when she started this work, and what is her job?

by Guest 27.10.17 10:35

Can I please ask, trying to not sound dumb, if Kate had only been a doctor for
three years or so, and was only a part timer, WOULD she of been around dead
bodies? Was it true I read six?
And WAS she the one who actually said she was or was it gossip or Clarence?

by Guest 27.10.17 12:36

wallad wrote:She stated in the 10th anniversary interview that she's gone back to work (not before time), but it's not as a GP. Does anyone know when she started this work, and what is her job?

No, details have never been revealed.

I think she's still very busy working behind the scenes for Missing People charity waiting

. Perhaps she is doctoring their books.

by **sandancer** 27.10.17 12:48

silverdoe wrote:Can I please ask, trying to not sound dumb, if Kate had only been a doctor for
three years or so, and was only a part timer, WOULD she of been around dead
bodies? Was it true I read six?
And WAS she the one who actually said she was or was it gossip or Clarence?

Look on the BMA Confirmation and certifying death website , this tell you all about the role of GP certifying death . There is a thread here - The dodgy DNA evidence that lead to the McCanns being made suspects - includes the piece about 6 dead bodies .

Unless there were people collapsing and dying in Kate's surgery ( where she worked one and a half days a week ) on a regular basis and lying there for around 90 minutes whilst developing the distinctive odour I would seriously doubt she ever attended one death ! Especially wearing those checky pants a t shirt and carrying Cuddlecat in April in Leicestershire !

The story from either Kate , a family member or " a source close to the family " take your pick ! Never been verified or denied by anyone imho a myth , or should I say another big fat lie ! Imho of course ..... specs

by Guest 27.10.17 13:03

Thank you sundancer! That's what I thought, 6 deaths is an awful lot for one doctor to be around!
They do like to place around their 'hearsay' statements don't they?
He said/she said/a source said/a family member said/their spokesman said all able to be able, if challenged, for them to say back
''We never or they never said that'' No direct quotes towards that subject!
I don't know anyone who'd wear the same clothes that often around six deaths and whilst I don't know the death stats within GP's range per year, that does seem like an awful lot for a part timer!

by JRP 27.10.17 13:13

silverdoe wrote:Can I please ask, trying to not sound dumb, if Kate had only been a doctor for
three years or so, and was only a part timer, WOULD she of been around dead
bodies? Was it true I read six?
And WAS she the one who actually said she was or was it gossip or Clarence?

This is snipped from Wikipedia,

On 6 August the police removed the McCanns' hired car. Keela and Eddie were taken to an underground car park opposite the Polícia Judiciária headquarters in Portimão, where 11 cars were parked, 20–30 feet apart, including the McCanns' and Robert Murat's.
Eddie, the cadaver dog, gave an alert outside the McCanns' car and inside the boot(trunk).
Keela alerted to the map compartment in the driver's door, which contained the ignition key and key ring. When the key ring was hidden underneath sand in a fire bucket, she alerted again, as she did when the bucket was moved to a different floor of the car park.
One or both dogs gave alerts at Cuddle Cat, Kate's clothes and the Bible.
The McCanns' lawyer said that, if there was indeed a smell of corpses on Kate's clothes, it could have been caused by her contact with corpses as a family doctor.
Almost immediately the Portuguese press began running stories that Madeleine had died inside apartment 5A.

by Guest 27.10.17 13:18

Thank you JRP - I guess this should be a warning to all doctors then, if you're a doctor, you really do smell like death and you get an abundance of deaths even
if you're apparently a part timer!
Beware of sniffer dogs, and the press (No shock there) and Clarence Mitchell!
Oh and BS it would seem....

by **sandancer** 27.10.17 13:23

silverdoe wrote:Thank you sundancer! That's what I thought, 6 deaths is an awful lot for one doctor to be around!
They do like to place around their 'hearsay' statements don't they?
He said/she said/a source said/a family member said/their spokesman said all able to be able, if challenged, for them to say back
''We never or they never said that'' No direct quotes towards that subject!
I don't know anyone who'd wear the same clothes that often around six deaths and whilst I don't know the death stats within GP's range per year, that does seem like an awful lot for a part timer!

Even if a GP was in attendance when a patient died and did CPR that would not result in cadaver odour on their clothing . Their priorities are then with the family . As you can see from the BMA guidelines , a GP is not obliged to attend when a death occurs they write the certificate which is then collected by the family . Along with dirty nappies , spilt blood , sweaty sandals etc an excuse provided for the indications by the " unreliable dogs " , why was it necessary to provide excuses ?

Maybe this is Kate's new medical role , she's researching " Red herrings " !

by Guest 27.10.17 13:38

Sundancer definitely makes you wonder doesn't it?
If you have nothing to worry about, why over exaggerate a response?
They cannot keep discrediting someone who's got an amazing reputation with what he and his dogs do, a huge success rate, and BS the reasons why they simply done their jobs - The cases they've helped solved are staggering, and yet they rubbish the one or two NOT the dozens they did.
Maybe those dozens were woooossshhheddd from their thought process and they really didn't understand or care about the success rates just their own necks? No one else's professional wise mattered apparently! Well, the ones with evidence, even circumstantial against them anyway!
It's like Gerry cannot even say a simple no, it has to be an ''emphatic no'' they embellish everything not needed to be done so, like its a theatrical play!

by Guest 27.10.17 13:49

I also have to wonder was it over confidence why they hired Grimes and Eddie and Keela? And if so, that would explain the fact that they didn't like the answer, thought what do we do here, we'll rely on our old favourite's taught by Clarence,
embellish an excuse and lie our socks off!

by JRP 27.10.17 13:50

Me and tother 'arf went to visit tother 'arfs Dad, who, by co-incidence was my Father-in-Law.
No answer at the door, but we had a key, and there he was, sat upright in a chair with the TV on, dead.
Probably died the evening before, so we phoned 999, as you do.

Two coppers turned up, one said, Yep he's dead, sorry, and they both left.
A private black ambulance came, essentially a black van, and they drove the body to an undertakers.

Never saw a doctor as far as I'm aware, unless Dr went to the undertakers, but I doubt he/she ever did.

I haven't been to the doctors since I was 10 years old, but I hear from those who do go, getting an appointment to see one when you're alive is difficult enough, imagine the queue if you're dead!

Six in the queue? winkwink

by Guest 27.10.17 13:59

JRP!

it's a little like typing symptoms on google if you're ill and apparently to them you're going to die within the next ten min!
Mind you, on YT the excuse by one video poster (I won't name names but it's the worst pro McCann I have ever seen! Just being careful) Apparently having a baby even tho the twins were over a year old, the blood you have after can have the ''Blood death scent'' and apparently that's perfectly reasonable to assume so!
I was completely and utterly stunned! Is that even possible???!!!

by JRP 27.10.17 14:14

silverdoe wrote:JRP! it's a little like typing symptoms on google if you're ill and apparently to them you're going to die within the next ten min!
Mind you, on YT the excuse by one video poster (I won't name names but it's the worst pro McCann I have ever seen! Just being careful) Apparently having a baby even tho the twins were over a year old, the blood you have after can have the ''Blood death scent'' and apparently that's perfectly reasonable to assume so!
I was completely and utterly stunned! Is that even possible???!!!

Really? Wow!
So what was she doing with CuddleCat? thinking

No need to answer that btw, I'd rather leave it there.

by Guest 27.10.17 14:18

JRP EXACTLY what I done at the time.....

by **sandancer** 27.10.17 14:45

JRP wrote:
silverdoe wrote:JRP! it's a little like typing symptoms on google if you're ill and apparently to them you're going to die within the next ten min!
Mind you, on YT the excuse by one video poster (I won't name names but it's the worst pro McCann I have ever seen! Just being careful) Apparently having a baby even tho the twins were over a year old, the blood you have after can have the ''Blood death scent'' and apparently that's perfectly reasonable to assume so!
I was completely and utterly stunned! Is that even possible???!!!

Really? Wow!
So what was she doing with CuddleCat?

No need to answer that btw, I'd rather leave it there.

Bacterial Vaginosis was the condition the poster referred to , allegedly Kate must have seen ladies with the condition and probably suffered from it herself therefore leading to Eddie's indications . As for Cuddlecat , I quite agree let's not go there it lowers the tone of the forum bignono