Cadaver

by Widows Son 24.11.10 11:48

Please will someone explain what cadaver & a cadaver dog is, and how this demonstrates McCann guilt?

I am impressed with volume 1 of The Madeleine McCann Case Files. Well worth £5 (so far, anyway).

by littlepixie 24.11.10 11:58

Think you've been ripped off there, the book doesn't cost a fiver.

by Guest 24.11.10 12:24

Some threads on the topic here Widows Son, and welcome to the forum

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/search.forum?search_keywords=eddie+%26+keela&search_where=f3

by Guest 24.11.10 12:29

Loads more info here from files re dogs - scroll down page to this section where there are lots of headings you can click on

DOGS - F.S.S - PORTUGUESE FORENSICS

5A SAMPLES INDICATED BY EDDIE & KEELA
5A FORENSICS 04-05-07
BLOOD SPLATTERS
DOGS INSPECTION & FINDINGS PDL 31-07-07
DOGS INSPECTION SITES 2
EDDIE & KEELA APART INSPECTION JULY 07
EDDIE & KEELA MARTIN GRIMES AUG 2007
FINGER PRINTS
FORENSIC CLOTHING PHOTOS PJ FILES
FSS. ANDREW LLOYD PALMER MADELINE'S HAIR
FSS. JOHN ROBERT LOWE REPORT
GNR SNIFFER DOGS REPORTS 30 NOV 07
INVOICES RELATING TO DNA ANALYSIS
MADELEINES DNA
MARTIN GRIMES PERSONAL PROFILE
MARTIN GRIMES 14 MAY 2008 ROGATORY
PORTUGUESE FORENSIC INSTITUTE TESTS

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

by YNG 24.11.10 18:24

Widows Son wrote:Please will someone explain what cadaver & a cadaver dog is, and how this demonstrates McCann guilt?

I am impressed with volume 1 of The Madeleine McCann Case Files. Well worth £5 (so far, anyway).

Dogs use their natural ability and hunting instinct to find scents and their ability to do this is nearly impossible to defeat. They are able to locate a scent no matter how much it is intermingled with other odours and do this on a molecular level .

At the time of clinical death protein synthesis in the body stops. With nothing to maintain the protective lining in the gut digestive enzymes eat the body from the inside out creating amino acids. While this is happening bacteria feed on those amino acids. This process produces chemicals such as ammonia and ptomaines , more commonly known as cavaderine and putrescene and these are among some of the chemical scents the EVRD is trained to detect , culture , diet , environment , and race are also influences unique to the individual and account for the singularity of a persons / humans scent.

The decomposition process commences immediately after biological death occurs and proceeds through five stages before the body is completely skeletonized and the EVRD is trained to react to the scent picture through the complete spectrum.

According to the handler and trainer Martin Grimes this dog had never false alerted to date in training or operational work. All British police dogs, irrespective of the discipline they are trained in, must be licensed to work operationally. To obtain the license they have to pass a test at the completion of their training, and then again every year until they are retired. The standards required to become operational are laid down by the
Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) sub-committee on police dogs and are reviewed on a regular basis to ensure that training and licensing reflects the most appropriate methods & standards. These records may be discoverable in court proceedings and may become evidence of the canine team’s reliability, the type and amount of training that theteam has experienced before and after certification and all confirmed operational outcomes can be used as a factor in determining capability.

Hope that helps to understand a little a bit about these dogs Cadaver 847771

by ufercoffy 24.11.10 18:29

Hi YNG

Do you know how long it takes for cadaverine to be detectable to the human nose?

by YNG 24.11.10 18:34

ufercoffy wrote:Hi YNG

Do you know how long it takes for cadaverine to be detectable to the human nose?

Hi ufercoffy .... not exactly I'm afraid , at a guess I would say someone would have to have been dead at least a few hours before a human would smell / detect anything.

by littlepixie 24.11.10 21:45

I should imagine it takes a while. I have seen a body dead of disease where lots of chemo was used and after 2/3 hours no smell. I also saw the same body a week later at the funeral - no smell but obviously it had been refrigerated. I had a ram die suddenly during the foot and mouth crisis and the carcass couldnt be moved for a couple of weeks. The smell only became a problem after about a week. The carcass was wrapped but in the open air.

That was about February that year so it would have been cold.

by Widows Son 25.11.10 7:16

Thank you.

Is there any connection between the cadaver detected by the dogs, and Madeleine McCann?

BTW, have I got this wrong, but isn't it impossible to call an 0845 number from outside the UK?

by ufercoffy 25.11.10 7:46

The cadaver dog detected death scent in several places in the McCanns apartment and on Kate's clothes and Madeleine's soft toy Cuddlecat. It was established that no one had died in the apartment prior to Madeleine's disappearance. And even if they had how did a previously dead person get their death scent on Kate McCann's clothes and Cuddlecat? It was also established that no one had died in the car they hired more than 20 days after Madeleine disappeared. The McCanns did not demand to know whose death scent and blood/bodily fluids was found but made excuses like the death scent could have come from rotting meat, dirty nappies.

Eddie found the death scent and Keela found blood in exactly the same place behind the sofa. Even if the odds are such that one dog could be wrong, what are the odds that two highly trained dogs could be wrong in exactly the same place when neither dog had been wrong before?

There is only one person missing - Madeleine McCann. If the death scent/blood is not hers then whose is it? Why don't the McCanns want to know? Why did the McCanns leave their boot open for hours on end if not to air it and get rid of the stench? Why were bodily fluids found in the boot which suggested a corpse had been refrigerated? Why did Clarence Mitchell feel the need to say "There is a wholly innocent explanation for any material the police may or may not have found".

Cadaver 234726

As for the 0845 number maybe you could try directory enquiries? biggergrin

by littlepixie 25.11.10 8:38

Also the dog checked the other apartments and cars and no-one else had cadaver odour or blood in their apartment, in their car, on their clothes or childrens toys. Only the McCanns items were signalled.

by kangdang 25.11.10 8:45

Widows Son wrote:Please will someone explain what cadaver & a cadaver dog is, and how this demonstrates McCann guilt?

I am impressed with volume 1 of The Madeleine McCann Case Files. Well worth £5 (so far, anyway).

Cadaverine is called cadaverine because it comes from human corpses (cadavers). It is used as a tool for training search and rescue dogs.

Cadaverine is a completely unpleasant substance. Do NOT get it on anything you are going to keep, like clothes. It DOES NOT wash off. If you get it in someone’s car, say in the boot or into the rubber seal of the door, they will be forced to scrap the car.

It takes as little as 70 – 90 minutes for a corpse to start to emit cadaverine.

The detection of cadaverine does not demonstrate the McCanns guilt, it suggests that Madeleine died in, or her corpse lay in apartment 5a for at least 70-90 minutes. The McCanns claim they were checking Madeleine every 15 – 30 minutes. Yet, the EVRD detected the scent of a cadaver in apartment 5a - behind the sofa and the wardrobe in the McCanns bedroom, in the flowerbed outside, on Madeleine's cuddle cat, on a t-shirt belonging to one of the McCanns children, on a pair of Kate's trousers, on a t-shirt belonging to Kate and in the boot and passenger side rubber seal of their hired Renault Scenic car.

by Widows Son 26.11.10 3:22

ufercoffy wrote:Why don't the McCanns want to know?

Huh? Why did Kate McCann study anesthetics? I don't buy this accident theory. It takes a lot to kill a human being, and children are particularly robust. You may think some Freemasons are normal human beings, but I have experienced them laughing, for example, at statistics about calls to The Samaritans and that a town just over the border has street children. Freemasons find human suffering amusing.

Why did McCann delete pages from his blog? Why do they spend so much money silencing their critics, if they have nothing no hide? If the PJ are so incompentent, as the McCanns claim, why did they leave children unattended night-after-night? Etc.

ufercoffy wrote:As for the 0845 number maybe you could try directory enquiries?

DQ's not going to tell me if one can call an 0845 number from, inter alia, Germany. Why do the McCanns need to profit from calls to their sightings telephone line? Don't the McCanns have better things to do than setting-up obscure telephone numbers? Apparently not.

by aiyoyo 26.11.10 8:27

Widows Son wrote:Please will someone explain what cadaver & a cadaver dog is, and how this demonstrates McCann guilt?

I am impressed with volume 1 of The Madeleine McCann Case Files. Well worth £5 (so far, anyway).

What is that book and who offered it at fiver?

by dragonfly 13.04.11 0:03

http://www.scribd.com/doc/28310167/Carpet-Squares-Cadaver-Dogs

by Wendy 13.04.11 7:25

kangdang wrote:Cadaverine is called cadaverine because it comes from human corpses (cadavers). It is used as a tool for training search and rescue dogs.

Cadaverine is a completely unpleasant substance. Do NOT get it on anything you are going to keep, like clothes. It DOES NOT wash off. If you get it in someone’s car, say in the boot or into the rubber seal of the door, they will be forced to scrap the car.

It takes as little as 70 – 90 minutes for a corpse to start to emit cadaverine.

What I find intriguing about your 'research' posts is that if you put one of your sentences into Google you come up with the site where you copied your post titter

You do this a lot and this is the site where you got the above from http://everything2.com/title/Cadaverine

Not saying it's wrong to bring information here from other sites but why not tell us the source instead of pretending you're more knowledgeable than you really are? Anyone can use google winkwink

by ufercoffy 13.04.11 13:47

Is that correct that cadaverine starts to emit from 70 mins? I thought I read somewhere that Dr Amaral said it started immediately.

by **HiDeHo** 13.04.11 21:32

ufercoffy wrote:Is that correct that cadaverine starts to emit from 70 mins? I thought I read somewhere that Dr Amaral said it started immediately.

http://mccannfiles.com/id173.html
Q: At what time do you think the death has occured, given the fact that cadaver odour needs time to develop?

A: Cadaver odour begins to develop at the moment of death, due to chemical reactions in the body, it is not a matter of hours before it develops, to the nose of a dog which is very sensitive it can be detected very soon. More important is that from the inquiry we know that before the 3rd of May nobody died in the apartment, nor in the car.

by ufercoffy 13.04.11 21:37

That's excellent HiDeHo, many thanks. I knew I'd seen that somewhere. I did try to google it but did'nt think to look on mccannfiles.

Sorry Nige, love you kissykissy

by **HiDeHo** 13.04.11 21:47

ufercoffy wrote:That's excellent HiDeHo, many thanks. I knew I'd seen that somewhere. I did try to google it but did'nt think to look on mccannfiles.

I am in the process of compiling Goncal Amarals comment by topic so if you need to check on any subject he has discussed you can find them here...

Category: Goncalo Amaral Comments by Topic
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Goncalo-Amaral-Comments-by-Topic-1-77896

by ufercoffy 13.04.11 21:54

Thank you so much HiDeHo, you do some excellent work clapping

by Guest 13.04.11 21:56

ufercoffy wrote:Thank you so much HiDeHo, you do some excellent work

Seconded

by Angelique 15.04.11 15:56

candyfloss wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:Thank you so much HiDeHo, you do some excellent work

Seconded

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by hentie 15.04.11 21:31

Angelique wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:Thank you so much HiDeHo, you do some excellent work

Seconded

Yes totally agree - we all appreciate your hard work!