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Post by Robin Banks on 17.01.20 18:31

I found myself looking at the Police photo's of apartment 5a the other night and saw something I hadn't seen before.  It reminded me of a dream my Son had many years ago.  In his dream he saw a massive dragonfly on the outside of the house which covered the whole wall, he called me out to take a look and I just couldn't see it.  The reason I couldn't see it was because of it's size, I was looking for something on a much smaller scale,  Getting back to the Police photo's, it's not whats visible on the photo's, it's what's actually missing from the photo's and what's missing is disarray.  Where did Kate McCann search?  Did she search at all, did she even enter the apartment at 10pm that evening?  I say this because there is no visible evidence of a search in that apartment, the sofa hasn't been pulled out the Parents bed is intact.  It doesn't sit right with me that apartment 5a was just to damn tidy.

A little Girl was missing, her Mother must of been frantic, looking under beds behind curtains behind the sofa, I see no evidence of that.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.01.20 21:08

@Robin Banks wrote:I found myself looking at the Police photos of apartment 5a the other night and saw something I hadn't seen before.  It reminded me of a dream my son had many years ago.  In his dream he saw a massive dragonfly on the outside of the house which covered the whole wall, he called me out to take a look and I just couldn't see it.  The reason I couldn't see it was because of its size, I was looking for something on a much smaller scale.

Getting back to the Police photos, it's not what's visible on the photo's, it's what's actually missing from the photos and what's missing is disarray.  Where did Kate McCann search?  Did she search at all, did she even enter the apartment at 10pm that evening?  I say this because there is no visible evidence of a search in that apartment, the sofa hasn't been pulled out the parents' bed is intact.  It doesn't sit right with me that apartment 5a was just to damn tidy.

A little girl was missing, her Mother must of been frantic, looking under beds behind curtains behind the sofa, I see no evidence of that.

I'll tell you want else was missing.

Madeleine's DNA!

You'd think that if she had been in that apartment for six whole days (Saturday through Thursday), there would be mountains of her DNA available - on her clothes, in her bed, on her toothbrush, hairbrush, hairs of hers etc. She was supposed to have been in her bed at 9.10pm on Thursday 3 May, according to Gerry McCann.
 
But NO! Not a trace! Nothing! Zilch! Nada!

So much so that they had to go and get Madeleine's DNA from her pillow in Rothley, England - where she hadn't slept for weeks.

But did you see the photo of the living room of 5a?

The table?

The camera plonked right in the middle of it?

Any police officer might think: "A camera. Well, they can't be worried about any pictures on that, can they? No need to bother about seizing that".

But WHAT IF the SD card had already been removed BEFORE the alarm was raised that night?

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Post by Robin Banks on 17.01.20 21:35

I'm not talking about DNA or camera's Tony Bennett, I'm talking furnishings and that nothing looked out of place, or are you just missing that too.  I believe it's been entirely overlooked.  Forget everything else for a minute and concentrate on whats been moved and what hasn't been moved in a frantic fashion.
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Post by crusader on 17.01.20 22:51

@Robin Banks, Kate was looking for a nearly 4 year old child, not a mouse. She couldn't look under the beds, they were divans and reached the floor.
The settee was pushed back against the wall. The flat was hardly palatial was it.
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Post by Robin Banks on 17.01.20 23:03

No she wasn't looking for a mouse Crusader, but a four year old Child could hide behind the settee, a four year old Child could have slipped through the two single beds in the Parents room.  A four year old Child could hide behind curtains that reach to the floor, a four year old Child could hide under the kitchen sink.  The police photo's did not indicate any such search, if so then please point me in the right direction.
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Post by crusader on 17.01.20 23:42

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Faced with this situation,she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband and the others to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities. @
Robin Banks.This is what Kate told the PJ in her statement on 4th May.
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Post by Robin Banks on 17.01.20 23:49

It seems you support Kate McCanns statement crusader, which I don't, so I don't think your comments are not helpful.
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Post by crusader on 18.01.20 0:01

Nothing could be further from the truth, Robin Banks. Even if she didn't search for Madeleine, other people searched the flat. Nannies, and Ocean club staff also searched.
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Post by Verdi on 18.01.20 0:41

@Tony Bennett wrote:I'll tell you want else was missing.

Madeleine's DNA!

You'd think that if she had been in that apartment for six whole days (Saturday through Thursday), there would be mountains of her DNA available - on her clothes, in her bed, on her toothbrush, hairbrush, hairs of hers etc. She was supposed to have been in her bed at 9.10pm on Thursday 3 May, according to Gerry McCann.

But NO! Not a trace! Nothing! Zilch! Nada!

So much so that they had to go and get Madeleine's DNA from her pillow in Rothley, England - where she hadn't slept for weeks.

The PJ forensic team weren't looking for Madeleine McCann's DNA. She was reported missing, most probably abducted, the PJ knew Madeleine McCann had been accommodated in apartment 5a at the Ocean Club - why would they be looking for her DNA? They were looking for evidence of someone who shouldn't have been there, not someone who they knew had been there.

A clean reference sample of Madeleine McCann's DNA was later required to establish birth parentage. Routine policing, as nine times out of ten (a figure of speech so don't quote me), children are kidnapped/abducted through domestic parental dispute.

A clean reference sample in order to create a DNA profile of Madeleine McCann was not possible from the crime scene because a) the crime scene had been compromised and b) because is it was a holiday let which would make it impossible.

The Rothley pillow case however remains a mystery.

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Post by Verdi on 18.01.20 0:57

@Robin Banks wrote:No she wasn't looking for a mouse Crusader, but a four year old Child could hide behind the settee, a four year old Child could have slipped through the two single beds in the Parents room.  A four year old Child could hide behind curtains that reach to the floor, a four year old Child could hide under the kitchen sink.  The police photo's did not indicate any such search, if so then please point me in the right direction.

I think it very unlikely the photographs of the crime scene taken by the PJ would show any evidence of the apartment having been searched by Kate McCann or anyone else.

How can a camera record activity after the event?

As crusader rightly points out, the crime scene had been seriously compromised by the numerous people traipsing about - even before the GNR/PJ were contacted.

A non-starter I think.

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Post by sharonl on 18.01.20 17:10

I think that the first thing that anyone would do, in a state of panic, is to rip the bed clothes off the bed.

thinking What condition was the bed in when the PJ arrived?

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Post by crusader on 18.01.20 17:14

The bed in the kid's room under the window, looks like it might have had a rummage, and the bed in the mccann's room was untidy.
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Post by sharonl on 18.01.20 17:16

@crusader wrote:The bed in the kid's room under the window, looks like it might have had a rummage, and the bed in the mccann's room was untidy.

Do you have a link or a picture of this please.

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Post by crusader on 18.01.20 17:17

Yes, it's in the PJ files under Photo's of 5a
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Post by Verdi on 18.01.20 21:24

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Post by sharonl on 18.01.20 22:24

thinking  Closed window & shutters, curtains tucked behind the bed and chair (unlikely to blow open), bed untidy.

When was that photograph taken?

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Post by crusader on 18.01.20 22:31

Sometime between 1am & 4am on the 4th.
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Post by crusader on 18.01.20 22:45

Witness Statement

Date: 2007/11/20 Time: 14H00 DIC Portimao

Joao Franciso Pascoa Luis Trigo Barreiras

Occupation: PJ Deputy Specialist

Place of work: Criminal Investigation Department Portimao





Does this help at all, Sharonl ?
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Post by sharonl on 18.01.20 23:19

Thanks Crusader.

Verdi is right, this is a non starter.  By the time the PJ arrived, a number of people had arrived and trampled the crime scene.  We also have the PJ claiming that things had been moved to simulate an abduction. We also have claims that Madeleines' bed had not been slept in and the absence of her DNA. 

Who knows what happened? We're never really going to answer this unless someone comes clean.

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Post by Khaleesi on 28.03.20 14:12

@crusader wrote:
Faced with this situation,she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual

Waaaait, I thought the cuddle cat was moved! Haven't she claimed to leave it on a high shelf? There were no high shelves in that bedroom, but oh well...
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Post by crusader on 28.03.20 14:32

Hi Khaleesi, this is just something the papers made up. No evidence to suggest Kate ever said it.
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