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MR RICHARD McCLUSKEY - I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU

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MR RICHARD McCLUSKEY - I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU

Post by skyrocket on 17.11.17 8:16

Mr McCluskey, I have no reason to doubt the body of your first statement made to Northumbria Police on 9 May 2007, reason being that you reported what you saw to your hotel night porter and the Portuguese Police on the night it happened, and, your wife confirmed the details.

My (simple) questions are these:

1. Did you draw the plan (link below) attached to your statement 1? Has it been altered in any way?

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A1_5/apenso5_vol_1_Page135.jpg

2. Did you give the follow up statement to Northumbria Police dated 12 September 2007? If so, how do you explain the fact that in your first statement you describe the woman as speaking Portuguese and you state that you were unable to understand her, and yet in your second statement you state that you believe the woman was Kate McCann?


http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm

PART STATEMENT 1
Richard McCluskey

Statement Date 9/5/2007

On Saturday 05 May 2007 at approximately 01.50hrs I was with my wife Susan in the holiday resort of ALVOR, PORTUGAL. We were walking up the bank from the town of Alvor in order to return to our hotel, known as the Clube Alvorferias, after a night out. As we approached the junction I observed a white ford transit vehicle drive up the bank and stop well away from the kerb in the junction turning right, blocking traffic turning right. I would describe the vehicle as a flatbed 'transit' vat with a white cab area with white metal fold down side flaps/boards. I recognise the type of vehicle as I used to drive one. I did not notice whether it had any identifying marks of advertising on it.

As it had caught our attention I stopped and watched. I then observed a dark skinned male, well built, dark hair (page 1) get out of the vehicle and begin to stagger up the bank in a drunken manner. I could not see much detail because it was dark but I could see that he had cradled a child of about 3-4years over his left shoulder. Again I could not give anything else due to the darkness but it was clear that the child was not making any noise, or crying, or appear in distress. There was no movement at all.......


As we were taking the number a woman appeared half running towards the van from the road on which the van was parked. She was clearly in distress and upon seeing us began to talk in Portuguese. We could not understand her and at this point we were the only other people on the street; but as we were talking a young Portuguese couple appeared from (page 2) the same direction as the woman in a small red vehicle and stopped. The male came over and was able to speak good English he translated what the woman was saying. In the conversation it became apparent that the couple had observed the male with the child in a situation further up the road and had seen the man hit the woman and had driven around the block and found the woman with us. He said he had phoned the police. Thinking everything was alright we left the couple, woman and van in situ and entered our apartment.......



Statement 2 Richard McCluskey
Statement made 12th September 2007

I am the above named person and I live at an address know to Police. In early May 2007 myself and my wife were on holiday in Portugal. I have already provided a witness statement in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I would like to add the following;

The events of the past week or so, with the McCanns being very much in the news, have triggered my memory in relation to the incident.

In my original statement I described a distressed female who ran down a road towards a white van I had described.

Having viewed recent news footage of Mrs McCann I am now almost certain that she is the female I described as being in a distressed state. I say this because of her slight build, high cheekbones and her eyes and hairstyle.

I've agonised for days over whether or not to contact the police about this because it is a terrible thing to accuse somebody of. It had just not crossed my mind that the child?s parents could in some way be involved in her disappearance.

I have watched a good deal of news coverage about the McCanns over the past week or so. Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children. The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal.

Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr. McCann held the child that made me think. He held the child over his left shoulder with his left arm supporting the child?s weight.

(signed).......R McCluskey



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Re: MR RICHARD McCLUSKEY - I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU

Post by JohnyT on 17.11.17 10:10

Wouldn't this be easy to check by contacting the owner of the said vehicle, wasn't it a Ukranian?, and seeing if his wife does look anything like Mrs McCann?

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Re: MR RICHARD McCLUSKEY - I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU

Post by skyrocket on 17.11.17 11:28


@JohnyT - morning!


Yes, the hand written note on Mr McCluskey’s first statement says the couple were Ukranians from Alvor with their daughter Loira. We have to assume that this was written by the PJ?

I don't think the woman's appearance is the main issue, although it would be interesting - Susan McCluskey describes her as about 5'6" tall, with a blonde pony tail.

What I really want to know is why does Richard McCluskey, after only 4 months, seem to entirely forget that the woman he encountered couldn't speak English - how could it possibly be Kate McCann he tried to speak to? How could he possibly be confused over this? Who produced this second statement?

 

Don't forget this second statement was apparently triggered by the McCanns return to the UK which McCluskey saw on the news. I've pointed out before the similarity in what he says about the way in which Gerry carrys Sean off the plane to what Martin Smith says in his second statement, which is dated 20 September (a week later than McCluskey's second statement).

Email from John Hughes to DIC Portimao, C.C. to Stuart Prior

20th September 2007

Subject: Fwd Smith family


From Lindsay Long to John Hughes

20th September 2007

Re – Smith family

Location : Portugal Out of Force Area

Origin: Mr Martin Smith Ireland.

Text: Reported that he had passed a male carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Maddie went missing. Went and made a statement to Portugal police in Portimao on 26th May and returned to UK. Is saying that after seeing the McCanns on the news on 9th Sept when they returned to UK he has not slept and is worried sick. He states he was watching the 10 PM on BBC and saw the McCanns getting off the plane and coming down the steps. He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the male seen the night Maddie went missing . He also watched ITV news and Sky news and inferred it looked like the same person both times carrying the children.

Is asking a member of OP task ring him back. He was with group of 9 family and friends the night he saw the male in Portugal. He sounded quite worried and shaken whilst speaking to me
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Re: MR RICHARD McCLUSKEY - I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU

Post by JohnyT on 17.11.17 12:06

I don't know whether she could speak a little Portugese or not (a couple of sentences to someone who can't speak that said language could easily confuse them) but she did speak it on a youtube video...granted this may have been a prepared or practised statement.

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Post by skyrocket on 17.11.17 15:44

@JohnyT - I assume by 'she' you mean Kate McCann. Yes, she memorized a couple of sentences in Portuguese for the appeal she made to the Portuguese public.

However, this is what he says in his first statement about the distressed woman:

We could not understand her and at this point we were the only other people on the street; but as we were talking a young Portuguese couple appeared from (page 2) the same direction as the woman in a small red vehicle and stopped. The male came over and was able to speak good English he translated what the woman was saying.


I don't see how, if this account is true, McCluskey could possibly think the woman was Kate McCann a few months later. It simply does not make sense.



It may seem a minor point - but IMO it isn't. I believe either one or both of his 2 statements have been altered.
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Post by kaz on 17.11.17 16:16

This saga always seems a strange one to me. We have a repeat of, '' the child was held in the same way as Gerry McCann held his children.'
The child was the approximately the same age as Madeleine and similar in looks. A very odd story about not being able to get a babysitter so a row and violence had erupted. Strangest part of all, the father had disappeared  back home with the little girl leaving the mother and baby of the family behind in Portugal when the Portuguese police checked on them. I wonder if the PJ ever checked the child WAS actually with her father.

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Re: MR RICHARD McCLUSKEY - I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU

Post by skyrocket on 18.11.17 9:53


 
@Kaz - morning!
 
The entry for the McCluskey statements in the files is misleading.
 
The child that McCluskey saw was called Loira and she lived in Alvor with her parents, who we are told had argued over baby sitting.
 
The Ukranian man/child who went back to Ukraine leaving the wife is a completely different family who live just outside Porto in Leca do Balio (up at the very top of Portugal). For some unfortunate reason (probably because they were both Ukranian) the two inquiries have been linked on the same page in the translations. This info can be ignored in terms of McCluskey.
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Post by kaz on 18.11.17 16:44

You too skyrocket!

How very confusing. Are you saying there are two different police enquiries concerning  two unconnected families and unconnected incidents that have inadvertently   been linked? The whole thing always seemed strange to me  but at least it's good to know that my 'antennae' for strangeness hasn't deserted me yet! Thanks for that.

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Post by skyrocket on 21.11.17 7:34

 
@Kaz – yes, that’s right.
 
Ukranian couple 1, from Alvor (south coast near Lagos), with daughter Loira, apparently seen by the McCluskeys in the early morning of 5 May and statements given saying dark-skinned male and Portuguese speaking wife. Then in a later statement made by McCluskey (September 07), the couple were suddenly described as almost certainly being Gerry and Kate McCann. How could that be? This is the arguing ‘baby sitter’ couple.
 
Ukranian couple 2, from the north of Portugal, who were investigated after a tip off because their 4 year old daughter Iliona, looked liked Madeleine. This is the father who returned to the Ukraine for a visit with his daughter, leaving wife/baby son back in Portugal. This has nothing to do with the above statements but has been linked together on the same translated page of the files.
 
Again, I re-iterate, there are only a couple of possibilities with the McCluskey statements:
 
1.    Richard McCluskey is of very low IQ – which he clearly isn’t;
2.    Both statements were fabricated – unlikely, as McCluskey states that he reported the incident on the night to the hotel security man and to English speaking Portuguese Police officers who met him outside his hotel complex and checked on the parked up flatbed/woman;
3.    The second statement was fabricated by McCluskey – why would he do this when he would be aware that what he was now claiming was at odds with his first statement and, under normal circumstances, would be questioned straight away?
4.    The second statement was fabricated by a third party, for whatever reason.
 
We have to remember that McCluskey’s second statement co-incided with the McCanns returning to the UK, the video of GM carrying Sean off the plane, and, with Smith’s very similar second statement about ‘Smithman’ being Gerry.
 
Did McCluskey/Smith make either of these 2 second statements? Were they coerced or did they have any hand in them at all?
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Post by Maxbex on 21.11.17 10:44

There is a clip on You Tube of Jane Tanner . When she is describing the way the person is carrying the child. She slips and says the way I was carrying. I cannot provide a link but is easy to find.. (Im an oldie and not very tech wise ! ) My apologies if ive put this in the wrong place.
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Post by Phoebe on 21.11.17 11:01

The McCuskey statements have always struck me as very odd. In the case of the Alvor couple (both Ukranian?) we are given to understand that they were in the middle of a blazing row and that the husband's gait looked as if he were drunk. I find it odd that they would speak to one another in anything other than than their mother tongue in such circumstances. Most bilingual folk automatically revert to their first language when speaking with a fellow countryman or family member, especially when stressed or impassioned. I would have expected the row to have been in Ukranian/Russian. Perhaps Mr. McCluskey couldn't spot the difference but why he would later imagine that Kate was so fluent in another tongue that she could argue like a native speaker is beyond me. Surely he noticed that this woman could not communicate with him in English? Why then would he later state that he was sure she was Kate? Something very fishy here!
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Post by Verdi on 21.11.17 12:14

@Maxbex wrote:There is a clip on You Tube of Jane Tanner . When she is describing the way the person is carrying the child. She slips and says the way I was carrying. I cannot provide a link but is easy to find.. (Im an oldie and not very tech wise ! ) My apologies if ive put this in the wrong place.
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13407p325-video-of-the-day#377416

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