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Post by surfmonkey on 16.07.15 4:01

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:From what I know and from checking embargoed press releases 12.01am is a common time for release of material which is ready to go out.  It is usually 12.01 for the time zone in which the release is made.  Happens with exam results to those privy to them eg AQA - release date 12.01am - as far as I know. 

So if anything is held back until a specific day - and you want it released as soon as that day comes - 12.01am is the time it will show. 

Just my opinion - I may be wrong and someone else may have already stated the correct answer.
Surfmonkey, there is no such thing as 12:01 am.  It is either 00:01 am or 12:01 pm.
In 24 hour clock logic you are right, Verdi - but this is what some newspapers use as a timing online for material waiting to be released at the first stroke past midnight.  Telegraph uses 12.01am and Guardian 00.01.

Today's (16/07) Telegraph and Guardian (I'm writing this at 04.00 in UK) have the same lead story on NHS and what Jeremy Hunt is going to propose - Telegraph 12.01am 16/07 and Guardian 00.01 16/07.  And for good measure the Daily Mail goes with 00.00 for the same story on 16/07.  So all correct as far as each paper is concerned and all around the same time.
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Post by BlueBag on 16.07.15 7:08

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Surfmonkey, there is no such thing as 12:01 am.  It is either 00:01 am or 12:01 pm.
Wrong.

Totally.
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Post by Doug D on 16.07.15 16:56

DAILY TELEGRAPH ARCHIVE 4TH MAY 2007 
04 May 2007 Archive 
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Not sure if this ‘proves’ anything, but certainly ‘pre-loaded’ stories hit the 12.01am release time to hit that days news, as you would expect.
 
Breaking stories during the day then pull up the times that they are released.
 
What I find very concerning is that the 4th May archived story showing at 12.01am is not the couple of lines from the original 12.01 story, but the 6.10am story from the 5th May, with the neighbour’s comments etc. and the following has been inserted as the archive report for the 5th May and dated as 12.01am which is clearly not correct for time or date:
 
Police identify Madeleine suspect
 
By Nick Britten
12:01AM BST 05 May 2007
 
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Just as an aside, half-way through this article are links to other articles dated both before and after this one:
 
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reminiscent of the WBM ‘error’ maybe?
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Post by whodunit on 16.07.15 17:10

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The timestamp directly under the article is the exact time the article was originally filed. Archiving the article has nothing to do with this specific timestamp. If you mean archiving by WBM, the timing of their crawl is indicated in the coding and in the url of the archived page not on the page itself which is supposed to be a snapshot of the page as it looked at the time of archiving, complete with the site's own timestamp if any. EDIT: and the site itself archiving an article using a default setting makes no sense and defeats the purpose of having a timestamp in the first place.
I'm losing the will to live!

I can't understand why you think I might be referring to the Wayback Machine as I haven't mentioned it in any way shape or form.  It has however occurred to me that this subject might be taking on a life of it's own, as has the Wayback v CEOP epic.

Still, who am I to stand in the way of a work of fiction like a good old fashioned whodunit -  I will leave you to your theorizing.

Please do not injure yourself Verdi. It should be obvious to anyone who is actually interested in discussing this issue that since you have failed to enlighten us I was taking a guess as to which mythical archiving process you are referring to which renders all timestamps back to a 'default setting' thus rendering all timestamps everywhere completely useless.

Just imagine the usefulness of such an archive! [all times approximate]

'Japanese Strike Pearl Harbor!' New York Times, December 7, 1941 8:05 am 12:01 am

'President Kennedy Shot Down in Dallas!' Dallas Morning Herald, November 22, 1963 1:00 pm 12:01 am

'World Trade Center Attacked!' New York Post, September 11, 2001, 9:40 am  12:01 am

Why not a default datestamp too! Then everything could be archived with a 'default setting' of January 1, 1900. Who cares!

Do you see the problem here? Do not answer that, please. I'm not about to get into a pages long battle with another wall o' text Tag Team Act.
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Post by surfmonkey on 16.07.15 18:19

The FO it appears knew about the disappearance before midnight plus one minute on 4th May 2007.  Madeleine's name is not mentioned- it is breaking news with more to come - FO made a statement very quickly.  Someone had contacted the FO before 4th May began and a freelance report (staff and agencies)? was ready for release on the Telegraph webpage at 12.01am on 4th May. 

Something happens, it is written up and makes the news as soon as the new day starts.  In theory nothing wrong with that.  I wonder who the FO spokesman was?

 Well that's how I read it.
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Post by Harriet94 on 21.07.15 21:33

RSS feeds. Is that how news agencies share breaking news with other agencies? With an RSS feed how do we find out who actually broke the story first?
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Post by snook on 22.07.15 3:23

Reading this thread what concerns me more than the timestamp on The Telegraph article is the speed with which the Foreign Office was contacted. Are we seriously to believe that during the first few hours of a child being reported missing, a resort accommodation member of staff has the forethought to make the call? Surely such things fall under the remit of the police?

 As with most things McCann it seems a case of cart before the horse. And given that she could have been found at any time time, didn't the F O act with indecent haste? I am fond of saying that even the death penalty abroad doesn't get you a visit from THE British Ambassador yet in this case it seems these high level embassy staff were waiting with their bags packed, ready for the off before any crime had even been established, concocted or otherwise.
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Post by BlueBag on 22.07.15 7:58

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Reading this thread what concerns me more than the timestamp on The Telegraph article is the speed with which the Foreign Office was contacted. Are we seriously to believe that during the first few hours of a child being reported missing, a resort accommodation member of staff has the forethought to make the call? Surely such things fall under the remit of the police?

 As with most things McCann it seems a case of cart before the horse. And given that she could have been found at any time time, didn't the F O act with indecent haste? I am fond of saying that even the death penalty abroad doesn't get you a visit from THE British Ambassador yet in this case it seems these high level embassy staff were waiting with their bags packed, ready for the off before any crime had even been established, concocted or otherwise.
Yes the speed was amazing.

Who needs Amber Alert when you have this!
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Post by inspirespirit on 23.07.15 11:42

Talking of the Telegraph, they have uploaded and run an old story today about the McCann's covering up Madeleine's death, at the trial.   Seems a bit odd to have uploaded that now.  Wonder why?      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html
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Post by lj on 23.07.15 15:33

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Reading this thread what concerns me more than the timestamp on The Telegraph article is the speed with which the Foreign Office was contacted. Are we seriously to believe that during the first few hours of a child being reported missing, a resort accommodation member of staff has the forethought to make the call? Surely such things fall under the remit of the police?

 As with most things McCann it seems a case of cart before the horse. And given that she could have been found at any time time, didn't the F O act with indecent haste? I am fond of saying that even the death penalty abroad doesn't get you a visit from THE British Ambassador yet in this case it seems these high level embassy staff were waiting with their bags packed, ready for the off before any crime had even been established, concocted or otherwise.
Yes the speed was amazing.

Who needs Amber Alert when you have this!

While I cannot speak for British citizen services, for the US ones this is quite normal and is advised. Anything that does involve local police, hospitals, like accidents, death, disappearance, crimes, it is advised to call to consular officer on duty. That officer can help with local numbers, give information about the processes, can help with translation etc. Those are normal consular activities. So the making contact itself is quite normal, an ambassador coming out is not.

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