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Post by heresthetruth on 26.11.09 15:20

jatyk
I've just reread the Photon email on Raptors, and this jumped out:

The e-mail address that I used to both register with your site and to communicate with you was created especially for that purpose, and bears no resemblance to my e-mail address used with 3A. I have never e-mailed any of the previous moderators with either e-mail address.

She called herself:

Return-path: < vlsmith707@googlemail.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
there.
Which leaves one unaccounted for, the "sassy" one.
And here it is, she admits it herself in an email to Bennett:

PHOTON TO TONY 15 MAR

Dear Tony

Many thanks for letting me see this.

Andy (and colleagues) are not interested in the truth but (for reasons unknown) have been targeting Laffin since early January. I have, as moderator, worked closely with Laffin since this fiasco started. I have an inbox (on a different e-mail address created especially for the purpose) full of superficially plausible texts from Andy which refuse to accept that Laffin is innocent of the accusations that he makes. The only person who has e-mailed Andy has been me - either as Val Smith (vlsmith707@gmail.com) or Sassy (scuba_pro@live.com). The IP addresses he has from these emails are mine - gmail anonymises source IPs and Sassy only ever posted through a proxy
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Does anyone still doubt that Photon sent this from the scuba_pro addie?

From: "Scuba Pro" < scuba_pro@live.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it >
Date: Fri, March 13, 2009 2:18 pm
To: raptor@chaosraptors.com

yeh andy - gonna be right wiv you. you listen and understand ok. i got pictures of you all yur family nad friends. I AM going to post them all over the net at places that dont like nonces and tell em yuou fvck kidz.you stop yur snooping and sticking yur nose where you dont belongh or welcome and i won't do it !! be a smart banker andy or else EVERYONE WILL KNOW THAT YOU ABUSE CHILDREN !!
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Not a lot needs added to that really, everyone can see it for themselves.
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Post by heresthetruth on 26.11.09 15:27

JATYK
I know this seems like going over old ground, lamplighter, and I will be the first to admit tying together email addies, etc, is tedious.
But - there is a reason for it. This trail of wickedness leads straight back to Bren - or the First Evil, as I have come to think of her.
She didn't just know about all this, she instigated much of it. Why? I don't know. One of her sick kicks, I assume.

Hi Val

Thought of a plan for sassy.

She signs up here using this proxy

http://spartanproxy

Apologies to Laffin and has a go at chaos. I ban sassy. And with any luck it should be the same IP as GoofyAgain so I post up GoofyAgain

Rhodes takes the blame.

But before you post let me know when you log in so that I can check it is the same IP as Goofy.

Bren
Xx

I suspect she encouraged Debs to make wild allegations too - for a LAFF, no doubt.
Like Amberz, Bren thought it was a LAFF to troll her own forum.
Sick.
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Post by heresthetruth on 26.11.09 15:31

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Dear Mr du Payne

Many thanks for the two e-mails you have sent since my last reply. Obviously, the central issue, for me, is how an anonymous source could possibly suspect that I had registered with your site and/or contacted you by e-mail. This suggests that you have shared my personal information (name, email and IP addresses) with a 3rd party without my permission. The second paragraph of your "Article Deletion Request" post states:

"Unfortunately the person requesting this article to be removed has subsequently been identified as one of the Site Administration at the3arguidos.net. *A previous moderator at the site contacted Raptors.com with evidence of proof of their claims. *........"

I would be grateful for an explanation of how a "previous moderator" had a) the knowledge that I had contacted you by e-mail regarding this article removal request and which stimulated them to provide b) "evidence" to support their claim that I was a current moderator of 3A? As I have stated in a previous e-mail, if a previous moderator has in their possession e-mail and IP addresses of 3A posters, then it is by illegal means.

The e-mail address that I used to both register with your site and to communicate with you was created especially for that purpose, and bears no resemblance to my e-mail address used with 3A. I have never e-mailed any of the previous moderators with either e-mail address.

I would also like to correct some factual inaccuracies which you posted this morning's "Investigation and Feedback" post:

1) Laffin Assasin has never been a member (declared or otherwise) of the Site Administration team (i.e. moderator) of 3A and does not have "dual identity" or access to confidential user information;

2) No member of the Site Administration team is, or ever has been, colluding with Laffin Assasin or passing confidential information to him;

3) Laffin Assasin is not able to harvest any confidential information from the database by either legal or illegal means Furthermore, Laffin Assasin has informed the Site Administration team that he has never e-mailed the chaosraptors.com site Administration team. We would, therefore, be grateful for an explanation of why you suspect this 3A poster to be the "anonymous source", given that you state "that the email address was not real and the IP addressing information that was contained in the logs was provided by an anonymous web service."

I apologise for the delay in responding - like your admin. team, I have a "day job" and I wanted to ensure that our Site Admin team were happy with this response.

Yours sincerely

Val Smith
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Post by heresthetruth on 26.11.09 15:33

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Hi Andy,

You have seen the explanation on the thread and I wish to state that I would never
issue threats to you or your family and friends and have never issued any threats to
you or your family and friends and I know you are entertaining BB1 but please be
careful because I do have conversations where she states categorically that she is
befriending you to reel you in, pretending to be your new best friend. And this was
being done by the account of Jacky. Also she has politely told us via muratblog
that she was in contact with you and you knew she was jacky all along, so which is
the truth you were both trying to bring down 3a's together or she is lying now and
you did not know she was Jacky until she resigned as being a mod? Oh yes she
resigned not sacked.

It does not look good on either of you really does it? Exposing people, threatening
people and please remember I do have all the same conversations in full that BB1 has
(not just the parts what BB1 wants you to see) along with the conversation where
MsMarbles and her were plotting to do this. If you and BB1 are trying to force me
into a corner where I retaliate and post up on the forum about this, you will not
succeed, I will not be quitting as admin of the3arguidos and I will not succumb to
blackmail or intimidation. Throw all you have Andy but I know how things work and
if BB1 thinks she has protection from you, I know how you work and you will swallow
her up and spit her out in pieces once she is of no further value to you. If not
then you both will be treated with the contempt you both deserve.

No doubt this email will be put on the front page of raptors or somewhere for people
to pick it to pieces but I will not be accused of something I did not do and that is
sending you an email threatening your family.

Please don't think I am stupid Andy I have everything backed up and saved on hard
disc incase of any attempt on my computer is made. Plus I have evidence enough of
Nbrado re the database plus the other people that have admitted openly that they
have downloaded it.

Bren
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Post by heresthetruth on 26.11.09 15:37

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Dear Andy

I'm sorry for the delay in replying but I only check my secondary e-mail
accounts once per day.

I can categorically state that I have never, and will never, issue any
threats against you, your family or your friends (or anyone else, for that
matter) - this is the truth.

Best wishes

Val
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Post by heresthetruth on 26.11.09 16:02

JATYK
Re: As we were saying...
« Reply #5368 Today at 4:59pm »

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Yup, she's still at it, Majic, I gather it is all cos of your evilz that poor Bren had to boot weak, helpless Vanessa and Drac off the admin panel of her becalmed shiny:

Change of Permissions

As some of you see jjp and Photon are no longer co-admin and there is a legimate reason for this. The reason being I am back in the sights of raptors and I know how his devious and lying manipulative mind works. He will use anything he can go try and cause problems for this board, including the possible lying that they are passing information over to people. This would be completely unfounded and in order to protect them I have decided today to restrict access to the admin panel to myself only. They naturally will be able to see your IP's but I will be only person that has access to your email addresses.
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And didn't we say all along that only admin could see email addies?
And did not Bren, the First Evil, swear upside down and sideways that mods could see them?
Poor Bren, she's a martyr to that nose trouble
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Post by Mike on 26.11.09 16:16

thanks,interesting reading,good ole bren will never learn,thinks she can out smart anyone,but she doesnt do a very good job of it.
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Post by Majic on 27.11.09 19:37

That's because they believed they were untouchable and would never be exposed for what they really are
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Post by Guest on 27.11.09 19:54

Keep up the excellent work Majic, looking forward to more of Photon and Brens lies being revealed shortly
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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 28.11.09 6:54

I know nothing of what happened on the 3As, but I know for sure that Bren is lying when she says she did not encourage Debbie to speak to Clarence Mitchell about her "devious plot" and merely put it to her as a suggestion given in the form of friendly advice etc.
When Debbie first posted about his on the main section of the MM I immediately told her that I felt she should leave the fraud matter to the police and just keep her mouth shut. I also offered my opinion that the plan was ridiculous and would not fool anyone in Team Mcann. I got a pm from Bren who was positively salivating with enthusiasm about her devious plot, explaining it to me in more detail. I pm'd Bren back telling her my opinion was unchanged and mentioned this to nobody until Bren started to distance herself from the plot when it was torn to shreds by many of the members. When Bren started to change her stance to one of friendly adviser I made a post where, without revealing the pm, I told her that I believed she had fed Debbie and encouraged her. Bren called me a liar.
This all happened in the main section of the forum, not in the SS Section so I feel free to mention it here. I did not respond as I was trying not to inflame the developing situation, but being called a liar on the open section, and the way it was subsequently handled was the reason I resigned.
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Post by baconbutty on 28.11.09 9:07

Hi Justagranny, first may I say that you are a decent and honest person, and as such you are worth more to the cause of justice than a whole army of Brens.
The episode you relate will ring true for so many ex-3A members who were used, abused and sacrificed on the altar of Bren's grubby reputation. Covert meddling, manipulating, cloning and blatant lying were all weapons in her armoury. All plotting with her chosen few was done well away from the general forum populace via MSN or Skype.
Sad that MM has chosen to take the same corrupt road with its SSS, a concept tailor-made for the Brens of this world. How she must be revelling, along with Ambersuz & Co, in being able to manipulate a woman who, by the evidence of her own cringeworthy outbursts, is mentally fragile at best, and outrageously, disgustingly vindictive at worst.

One cannot help being embarrassed for the forum as a whole and what it now stands for.
Better that it is left to the SSS fishwives. They enjoy wallowing in their own filth.
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Post by Guest on 28.11.09 10:54

Some of the JATYK bunch or at least one are at these antics themselves and have been from the start..Slim did very similar to me on the sky forum, she craeted accounts supposedly of mine, she cloned and absued people, then she deleted her crap and got people banned, Im sure I am not th only person she did it to.
She bombarded my email by signing me up to newsletters, porn sites and all kinds. She got one of my kids to accept her on facebook and then publicly posted that her father (my daughters) was not whom she thought, thta I was a drug using prostitute who had AIDS, she said I was having an affair..and periodically she popped up on my email address to gloat and slap her own back with congratulations.
Bren is not doing anything any different to her. :evil:
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Post by scampi on 28.11.09 12:12

@baconbutty wrote:Hi Justagranny, first may I say that you are a decent and honest person, and as such you are worth more to the cause of justice than a whole army of Brens.
The episode you relate will ring true for so many ex-3A members who were used, abused and sacrificed on the altar of Bren's grubby reputation. Covert meddling, manipulating, cloning and blatant lying were all weapons in her armoury. All plotting with her chosen few was done well away from the general forum populace via MSN or Skype.
Sad that MM has chosen to take the same corrupt road with its SSS, a concept tailor-made for the Brens of this world. How she must be revelling, along with Ambersuz & Co, in being to manipulate a woman who, by the evidence of her own cringeworthy outbursts, is mentally fragile at best, and outrageously, disgustingly vindictive at worst.

One cannot help being embarrassed for the forum as a whole and what it now stands for.
Better that it is left to the SSS fishwives. They enjoy wallowing in their own filth.

Great post Bacon butty. Posters like Justagranny will be remembered for the stance they took in this sad sorry saga. Fora such as 3A and now MM are all about admin egos and toeing the line. ''Freespeach is alright as long as you agree with me'' seems to be the way Bren and Amber run their fora. They just seem to wnt their posters to be nidding dummies shrieking and kicking their feet in the air at their witticisms. I am fast losing the will to live reading ,MM.

It never was about Maddie was it? She wouldn't have been forgotten so quickly if it was. Sad
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Post by Autumn on 28.11.09 12:54

Well said, Scampi and Baconbutty, couldn't agree more. The MM is a hate site which has nothing to do with finding justice for Madeleine and probably never was. It exists purely to feed the monstrous egos of the deranged lunatics that have taken over the asylum. What is so missing in these people's lives that they feel the need to behave like a bunch of out-of-control adolecent kids, screeching and name-calling each other? Debbie Butler, you are one seriously twisted woman - what low life can make such vitriolic comments then punctuate them with 'legs in the air hysterical laughing emotes'? Am I alone in not feeling safe knowing this disturbed creature is walking the streets?
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Post by scampi on 28.11.09 13:27

You are right Sapphire and it is like a breath of fresh air to meet like minded people.

Butler, Amber and Bren are disturbed creatutes ,without a doubt, and must have come to the attention of the authorities /mental health boards before ever posting on the Maddie case.
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Post by heresthetruth on 29.11.09 13:47

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A friendly face dropped this into my mail box this morning, seems The News of the World are sniffing around, if anybody would like a copy of the mail WITH names included drop me a line

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From: K*** S**** [mailto: ****.*****@liv.ac.uk]
Sent: 02 November 2009 12:43
To: *****.******@notw.co.uk; ***.******@notw.co.uk
Cc: s*******.m*****@liv.ac.uk
Subject: Dr.Sluming


Dear Ms.******,

In response to your enquiry of 02/11/2009, I am in the position to confirm that Dr.Vanessa Sluming is a current staff member of the School of Health Sciences, University of Liverpool.

In relation to the contents of your correspondence I am not in a position to confirm or deny the origin of IP address **.***.****. Nor do I wish to comment at this stage on the contents of screen capped copies of posts made by “Photon” on various fora and blogsites subject to further discussion within the media department of the university.

I have requested from the IT Department further information and am currently awaiting the results of same.

As you are aware the university has an excellent reputation nationally and has achieved many International recognitions which The Russell Group hold in high esteem.

With this in mind I would suggest a cooling off period before further developments are undertaken on your behalf to allow a sufficient allocation of time to further look into the contents of your e-mail.

I will be in regular contact with you over the coming days and request any further information you may have is passed on to this department.

I am available during university hours at 0151 ******* and out of hours at 07970 ******.


Sincere regards,


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Post by Majic on 02.12.09 7:41

Still nothing from Vanessa on this letter ? Oh well perhaps tomorrow she will feel up to commenting on it. You can only live in hope

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