Tony was right was he not?

G1 wrote:My theory says that a very professional, organised, international group of child abductors and groomers for child prostitution and other illegal activities abducted Madeleine. It would have been easy for professional, experienced, trained criminals in the months before the dogs' scent tests to plant dead body scent in these places.

G1 wrote:
This was the photo, it seems, which may have been stolen, in digital storage from Gerry, with his wallet, and later posted back to him. It seems to me the photo has been altered by people trying to incriminate the McCanns, or at least build up security tactics against Madeleine the abductee being identified for who she is, if they be needed (to incriminate the McCanns at a later date if necessary.)

G1 wrote:

My theory says that a very professional, organised, international group of child abductors and groomers for child prostitution and other illegal activities abducted Madeleine. It would have been easy for professional, experienced, trained criminals in the months before the dogs' scent tests to plant dead body scent in these places.

Snifferdog wrote:What about Kate's pants, and other articles of clothing that had cadaver scent?  Did the supposed abducters come back for the blue bag and pink blanket after they "took" Madeleine???  Sorry but you have to be joking no?  

G1 wrote:

Snifferdog wrote:What about Kate's pants, and other articles of clothing that had cadaver scent?  Did the supposed abducters come back for the blue bag and pink blanket after they "took" Madeleine???  Sorry but you have to be joking no?  

What could be easier, Snifferdog?

Members of a large gang who abducted Madeleine McCann perform their follow up acts any day within months of the abduction, when the parents are away. All it takes is a half an hour or less. Then it's not a matter of waiting for cadaver to develop, they have heavily impregnated items of cadaver scent, much decayed cadaver to make thing easier still. Being professional criminals, they gain access and impregnate areas and especially a few particular items that can be associated with the child.

This can be the easiest thing in the world for an abductor. The hard part has been done already, in early May. What is it that brings such disbelief here, or is it just more of the same - never consider anything against the grain of the McCann's guilt, especially theories which can make basic, clear sense?

My own amazement remains though, at your own theories which hold that these experienced, very intelligent doctors, for sure aware that sniffer dogs are likely to come along soon enough, thought, "Ah, we'll just dump a 4 month corpse in our hire car anyway."

This is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've heard.

candyfloss wrote:I'm sorry but you are taking the 'p' I have never heard such nonsense.  I am all for discussing theories, and letting people have opinions,  but you are here to disrupt with such rubbish.  

PS So you think I and Snifferdog are hideous people hmmm........

  

galena wrote:

G1 wrote:

Snifferdog wrote:What about Kate's pants, and other articles of clothing that had cadaver scent?  Did the supposed abducters come back for the blue bag and pink blanket after they "took" Madeleine???  Sorry but you have to be joking no?  

What could be easier, Snifferdog?

Members of a large gang who abducted Madeleine McCann perform their follow up acts any day within months of the abduction, when the parents are away. All it takes is a half an hour or less. Then it's not a matter of waiting for cadaver to develop, they have heavily impregnated items of cadaver scent, much decayed cadaver to make thing easier still. Being professional criminals, they gain access and impregnate areas and especially a few particular items that can be associated with the child.

This can be the easiest thing in the world for an abductor. The hard part has been done already, in early May. What is it that brings such disbelief here, or is it just more of the same - never consider anything against the grain of the McCann's guilt, especially theories which can make basic, clear sense?

My own amazement remains though, at your own theories which hold that these experienced, very intelligent doctors, for sure aware that sniffer dogs are likely to come along soon enough, thought, "Ah, we'll just dump a 4 month corpse in our hire car anyway."

This is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've heard.

I agree with you about the hire car - that has never made sense to me either. But I find it hard to believe that an international gang would go to all that trouble to abduct Madeleine knowing that it would lead to an international search, when there are plenty of countries where you could buy a similar child for a relatively small sum of money, or abduct her without any fuss.   Still it's an interesting theory and TBH it's no more farfetched than many theories which implicate the parents ...

dantezebu wrote:So it would not surprise me that GM and KM made sure that Madeleines body could not be found by the dogs. But didn't realise at the time of disposal that the body leaves a trail that lasts a very long time, and is resistant to even clinical cleaning.

candyfloss wrote:I'm sorry but you are taking the 'p' I have never heard such nonsense.  I am all for discussing theories, and letting people have opinions,  but you are here to disrupt with such rubbish.  

PS So you think I and Snifferdog are hideous people hmmm........

  

Snifferdog wrote:

galena wrote:

G1 wrote:

Snifferdog wrote:What about Kate's pants, and other articles of clothing that had cadaver scent?  Did the supposed abducters come back for the blue bag and pink blanket after they "took" Madeleine???  Sorry but you have to be joking no?  

What could be easier, Snifferdog?

Members of a large gang who abducted Madeleine McCann perform their follow up acts any day within months of the abduction, when the parents are away. All it takes is a half an hour or less. Then it's not a matter of waiting for cadaver to develop, they have heavily impregnated items of cadaver scent, much decayed cadaver to make thing easier still. Being professional criminals, they gain access and impregnate areas and especially a few particular items that can be associated with the child.

This can be the easiest thing in the world for an abductor. The hard part has been done already, in early May. What is it that brings such disbelief here, or is it just more of the same - never consider anything against the grain of the McCann's guilt, especially theories which can make basic, clear sense?

My own amazement remains though, at your own theories which hold that these experienced, very intelligent doctors, for sure aware that sniffer dogs are likely to come along soon enough, thought, "Ah, we'll just dump a 4 month corpse in our hire car anyway."

This is one of the most ridiculous ideas I've heard.

I agree with you about the hire car - that has never made sense to me either. But I find it hard to believe that an international gang would go to all that trouble to abduct Madeleine knowing that it would lead to an international search, when there are plenty of countries where you could buy a similar child for a relatively small sum of money, or abduct her without any fuss.   Still it's an interesting theory and TBH it's no more farfetched than many theories which implicate the parents ...

It would not make sense to say the parents dumped the body in the hire car four months later - but it would make sense to say the parents USED the hire car to dump the body four months later.

fossey wrote:

dantezebu wrote:So it would not surprise me that GM and KM made sure that Madeleines body could not be found by the dogs. But didn't realise at the time of disposal that the body leaves a trail that lasts a very long time, and is resistant to even clinical cleaning.

EXACTLY.

They underestimated the dogs big time. After the very meticulous clean up they assumed that all traces would be 'whooshed'.

Wrong.

Then to to try and discredit the dogs with smelly seabass porkies is just LUDICROUS.

Nina wrote:

fossey wrote:

dantezebu wrote:So it would not surprise me that GM and KM made sure that Madeleines body could not be found by the dogs. But didn't realise at the time of disposal that the body leaves a trail that lasts a very long time, and is resistant to even clinical cleaning.

EXACTLY.

They underestimated the dogs big time. After the very meticulous clean up they assumed that all traces would be 'whooshed'.

Wrong.

Then to to try and discredit the dogs with smelly seabass porkies is just LUDICROUS.

They only did this re the sea-bass when they had done their research and had the eureka moment when they discovered that there are rather vague similarities to this 9 day old rotting fish and cadaverine. There are other similarities with other secretions but not as uppper class to speak of, but sea-bass, wow ticked the cadaverine box and the upper middle class box too, oh the joy in Rothley Manor that day.

Nina wrote:

fossey wrote:

dantezebu wrote:So it would not surprise me that GM and KM made sure that Madeleines body could not be found by the dogs. But didn't realise at the time of disposal that the body leaves a trail that lasts a very long time, and is resistant to even clinical cleaning.

EXACTLY.

They underestimated the dogs big time. After the very meticulous clean up they assumed that all traces would be 'whooshed'.

Wrong.

Then to to try and discredit the dogs with smelly seabass porkies is just LUDICROUS.

They only did this re the sea-bass when they had done their research and had the eureka moment when they discovered that there are rather vague similarities to this 9 day old rotting fish and cadaverine. There are other similarities with other secretions but not as uppper class to speak of, but sea-bass, wow ticked the cadaverine box and the upper middle class box too, oh the joy in Rothley Manor that day.

Miraflores wrote:It would have been a lot easier for them to declare that Kate had taken a liking to sea bass, perhaps as some sort of health kick, instead of the claims that she had been around 6 dead bodies in the weeks before her holiday.

Incidentally, who is it who made that claim?

dantezebu wrote:
ASAIK cadaver dogs and their uses were not taught in medical school historically, they may well be now, but I would seriously doubt if they were back in the early 1990's. Forensic medicine as an undergraduate is usually only a two week block. .