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Post by Verdi on 24.07.18 23:51

List of people McCanns wanted interviewed.

Group 2 (independent customers and employees of the Ocean Club who saw the behavior of Kate and Gerry on the day of the disappearance):
Dan Smith, with address at ...> (Ocean Club, c / o Mark Warner)
Steve Carpenter, with address at ...> (Ware, Herts) (0,781,577 ####)
Carolyn Carpenter, with address at ...> (Ware, Herts)
Jeremy Wilkins, with address at ...> (London)
Catriona Baker, with address at ...> (Surrey) (0,785,823 ####)
...................

Jeremy Wilkins witness statement taken by Leicestershire Constabulary - 7th May 2007

The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I learnt to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, and tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I learnt him to be a diabetics specialist. We met him o the way to the destination. Matt said XXXXX to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said that he had met me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained at the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed.

Jeremy Wilkins rogatory interview -  8th April 2008

The next morning, after having become aware of Madeleine's disappearance, we went to breakfast and left the children in the club. Bridget and I returned to the apartment and minutes afterward, a uniformed police officer, accompanied by a British man serving as interpreter, showed up. Later we came to know him as Robert Murat.

I do not remember if he gave me his details but recently when I was cleaning a bag, I came across a card with his name and telephone number. I believe that he may have given this to me so that we could contact him in case we had any additional information to offer. The police officer asked us if we had noticed anything out of the normal and Robert Murat translated. I spoke to him of the 'rasta man' and the police officer took some notes on paper.

He also noted our names and passport numbers. During the days that followed, as we passed through the police cordon, we noticed Robert Murat on numerous occasions. On Friday, the 4th of May or Saturday, 5th of May 2007, at one of the police cordons, I again saw Robert Murat. He told me that they had investigated the lead of the 'rasta man' but that he was a local man and that everything was okay. He thanked me for my collaboration. I never saw Robert prior to his visit to our apartment with the police officer.

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Post by Verdi on 25.07.18 0:04

For sure there was a concerted effort by the McCann defence league to 'finger' Robert Murat.

Funny that yes .

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Post by Verdi on 25.07.18 0:56

And another one..

Stephen Carpenter rogatory interview - 21st April 2008


SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn't see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing "Madeleine, Madeleine" and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.

DCF: Yes, and where you state that it was on GMTV.

SC:: Yes..

DCF: I think that it was reported that it was a three year old child and probably thought who could it be and knew that Kate and Gerry were from Leicestershire and assumed that it was one of their children seeing that they had small children'

SC: Ah.

DCF: And afterwards you left your apartment to see if you could help in any way and as you said previously, everything was very quiet and there was nobody around. Then you say "I went to the MW reception and I met two of Gerry's surfing friends who told me that Madeleine had been abducted on the previous night, I asked if there was anything I could do to help and I think they were waiting for news from the Portuguese police. We walked towards the supermarket and ended up at the 24 hour reception where some men tried to speak to some Portuguese employees in the attempt to make a phone call, but communication became complicated because the employee did not speak English and the man did not speak Portuguese. We returned to the MW reception where I asked whether there was anything I could do to help so that they would let me know and returned to my apartment by the same route as the previous night. Upon nearing my apartment I heard a male voice coming from the garden next to my apartment.

DCF: This would be the voice of Murat, correct'

SC: Yes. This garden is situated at the other side of the passage way from my apartment block and is enclosed by net fence of about 1.80 m in height, the garden is thick and it was not possible to see inside, there was also a passageway along the garden without a wall that was on the way from our apartment to the Millenium restaurant. At some stage I managed to see clearly inside the garden, but I did not know who was the owner of the house and I never saw anyone inside the garden or the house or see anyone leaving until the moment that I heard a voice calling me. Then a voice called me from over the hedge. "What is happening, or what is going on'", I replied that a three year old girl had disappeared, he said "I am going to come round to talk to you" and he did this, walked round to come over towards me and said "I have lived here for fourteen years, I speak Portuguese fluently and I can help to translate", and we introduced ourselves, he told me he was Robert and this was the first time I had seen this man. Robert mentioned that he had a daughter in Norfolk who was the same age as Madeleine, and that is why he was able to understand what they were going through. We walked back along the path that I had taken to Gerry's apartment and I explained that Robert spoke Portuguese fluently, he told Gerry that it was important to have someone who spoke the language so that nothing would be lost in translation.. And that was how Robert Murat was presented as a translator.

DCF: Yes

SC: After he left, he explained that Gerry was frustrated with the way in which the case was being handled and they went to talk to John Hill.

DCF: Yes..

SC: In Mark Warner and he asked that all the Mark Warner rooms be opened so that he could check them and asked the cleaning ladies etc. to help open all the empty apartments that were not necessarily in the Mark Warner complex, but for which they might have the keys. At this moment I also met an English man called Dave who lived in the area and helped the Ocean Club to authorise entry into all the apartments possible, some of the apartments in Gerry's block belonged to local owners and Dave helped to get the keys to these apartments so that they could check them and search them, they checked them all in a general manner.

DCF: Mmm mmm.

SC: Robert and I searched the areas near to the beach.

DCF: During your conversations with Robert is there anything that you would like to comment on'

SC: Humm, no, its probably nothing relevant, the only thing since all of this happened and from reading the papers, I'm not sure if I am right or wrong, but his involvement in the translations was due to my intervention, clearly it was I who, based upon what he told me, took him to see Gerry, humm..and just that, I do not know whether it was already explained and wasn't published in the papers or I do not know why (inaudible) I think that the reason for his involvement was because of me.

.DCF: Mmm.

SC: And then the first thing that he said was "Well, I did not actually offer my services, I "bumped" into this individual.

DCF: Yes:

SC: That is the only, only thing that I would correct and I think it is a bit strange that someone would state that they offer themselves as a volunteer, or the way in which it really happened after having told me that he spoke Portuguese fluently, I said to him "Well, in this case that could be useful" and afterwards accompanied him - and that was how he (inaudible) thought that it was a bit strange. Because the way he said it gave the impression that it was voluntary.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Whereas now the version is a bit different.

DCF: Yes, yes. And do you remember what you talked about whilst you were searching with him'

SC: Humm...he obviously talked to me about his daughter.

DCF: Yes.

SC: They had a team of sniffer dogs on site, they came from Lisbon according to what I was told, and afterwards we walked to the beach in the attempt to find the scent, to see of she had got lost alone or had fallen into the sea, and it was just him and me and the dog handlers, so that there was not any big theme of conversation, just walking the route - or on the way back, when we arrived we talked with different Portuguese police
Officers and afterwards with the officer who appeared to be leading the operation, a man who appeared to be from Forensics, but as I say now nothing appears very clear to me.

DCF: Yes.

SC: Humm... where Robert presented himself as being capable of speaking both languages and they couldn't, they tried to use him in order to obtain a maximum of information from the English side, so that the Portuguese could understand what the people were saying and what state they were in... that was the involvement with the police and afterwards we tried to enter all the apartments that they had seen to where Gerry and Kate were staying.

DCF: Yes..

SC: And it was just talking about, you know...trying to get possible access and trying to open a maximum of doors in the area, and I think that was all.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

Question remains unanswered - was Robert Murat implicated by the McCann defence league or was he complicit?  By all intents and purposes it would appear he was stitched up.

Curiouser and curiouser thinking .


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Post by willowthewisp on 25.07.18 17:23

Hi Verdi,my question still remains unanswered,90% image of Abductor,by who,CEOP Jim Gamble,Leicstershire Police,MI5,then 10 yrs later settlement from Portugal news Paper,Libel,defamation?

Fact,Robert Murat,entered into the Madeleine McCann case by choice,he chose to fly into Portugal 1 May 2007 to do whatever he has been implicated towards,he never ever sought compensation for the Tapas cohorts naming him to Portugal PJ,as the Abductor(Patsy) after meeting Brian Kennedy,Legal teams,Job offer or final Payment for services rendered,Smith Man,debacle?

To all detectives,(Robert Murat is blind in one eye,Right one I think)?
 
So if a supposed child's Head was lying on your Left shoulder in Narrow spaces walking area near to the R/H Wall,How far could you see ahead and Do not forget,the street lights would glint off his Glasses at some point,but this has never been mentioned in Robert Murat's defence or by the Smith Family,because he didn't do it, he was at his mum's House?

What we do know is the person carrying the child,Never answered the person asking the question,"Is the child asleep"could any reply be picked up on as an identity of the person carrying the child,as has been stated before!

Remember Metropolitan Police Service framing Mr Colin Stagg for a "Murder " he never committed,they even tried entrapment by a Female Undercover Officer to become Mr Colin Stagg's Girl friend.
Now Mr Stagg had the integrity to sue the Police force for false Evidence being used to convict him.

Same rules apply in the Madeleine McCann case,Sue the Investigating Police force who came up with the 90% "Image Profile",what's to lose,unless you've obtained a Finishing Bonus payment at an earlier point in time (Martin Brunt Contract)?

Oh, you don't want to stir up a "Hornet's Nest",let bygones be bygones!

They certainly do not want the "Truth " to emerge?
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Post by NickE on 25.07.18 22:58

@willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi,my question still remains unanswered,90% image of Abductor,by who,CEOP Jim Gamble,Leicstershire Police,MI5,then 10 yrs later settlement from Portugal news Paper,Libel,defamation?

Fact,Robert Murat,entered into the Madeleine McCann case by choice,he chose to fly into Portugal 1 May 2007 to do whatever he has been implicated towards,he never ever sought compensation for the Tapas cohorts naming him to Portugal PJ,as the Abductor(Patsy) after meeting Brian Kennedy,Legal teams,Job offer or final Payment for services rendered,Smith Man,debacle?

To all detectives,(Robert Murat is blind in one eye,Right one I think)?
 
So if a supposed child's Head was lying on your Left shoulder in Narrow spaces walking area near to the R/H Wall,How far could you see ahead and Do not forget,the street lights would glint off his Glasses at some point,but this has never been mentioned in Robert Murat's defence or by the Smith Family,because he didn't do it, he was at his mum's House?

What we do know is the person carrying the child,Never answered the person asking the question,"Is the child asleep"could any reply be picked up on as an identity of the person carrying the child,as has been stated before!

Remember Metropolitan Police Service framing Mr Colin Stagg for a "Murder " he never committed,they even tried entrapment by a Female Undercover Officer to become Mr Colin Stagg's Girl friend.
Now Mr Stagg had the integrity to sue the Police force for false Evidence being used to convict him.

Same rules apply in the Madeleine McCann case,Sue the Investigating Police force who came up with the 90% "Image Profile",what's to lose,unless you've obtained a Finishing Bonus payment at an earlier point in time (Martin Brunt Contract)?

Oh, you don't want to stir up a "Hornet's Nest",let bygones be bygones!

They certainly do not want the "Truth " to emerge?
Just a thought.
Murat had been in the UK for months and suddenly he was in need to get a flight ticket and left for Faro.
Let's say if something happened down there earlier, let's say Sunday, is it a possibility that someone in the UK was in contact with Murat on Monday evening and told him something like "You have to go back to Pdl, you have a mission to do"?
He had to be known to some degree within the UK Police as he did do work for them?
And as he did do work for the Police, he must been in somekind of searchable records for the British Police as a "British/Portuguese interpreter"?
How many British/Portuguese interpreter lived in Pdl and used to do work for the Police forces was there?
I don't know, but they probably did not grew on tree's and he also became an interpreter in the case.
I've asked Malinka if he knew the reason why he came back, his answer was "Ask Robert".

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Post by Verdi on 25.07.18 23:52

"You have to go back to Pdl, you have a mission to do"?
big grin  Sounds like secret squirrel.

Better to stick to what is known - in black and white as it were, rather than inventing information to fill the gaps.

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Post by NickE on 26.07.18 9:09

@Verdi wrote:
"You have to go back to Pdl, you have a mission to do"?
big grin  Sounds like secret squirrel.

Better to stick to what is known - in black and white as it were, rather than inventing information to fill the gaps.

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You don't have to take it on the "" words, it was more to illustrate a scenario.

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Post by Verdi on 26.07.18 12:09

@NickE wrote:I've asked Malinka if he knew the reason why he came back, his answer was "Ask Robert".
If I were Malinka, or anybody else for that matter, I would respond likewise.  Conversely, the impolite response would be 'mind you own censored business!'

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Post by Verdi on 26.07.18 12:11

TRANSLATED BY INES
04-Volume IV, pg. 985
04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_985
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Processos Volume IV

Page 985

POLICIA JUDICIARIA
DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OF PORTIMAO

NUIPC: 201107.OGALG8

MEMORANDUM RELATED TO INFORMATION ESTABLISHED VIA INFORMAL CONTACT WITH ROBERT MURAT ON 12/05/2007:

• Has lived in Almadena (Lagos);
• Has a brother who suffers from Dyslexia
• Questioned regarding the possible scenarios for the solution of the crime states:

1. that the recent offer of €1.000.000 may have the opposite effect of creating more abductions in Portugal in the future, namely carried out by Russians and Romanians; that the Russians are particularly cold when it comes to questions of money;

2. that the solution to the present case is in the resort and that the PJ have certainly come to understand this;

• States that the locale of Baroes is a locale where potential paedophiles exist interested in abducting children;
• He grew up in an area called Essen or Lessen, in the south of Norfolk and north of Southfolk (England);
• Related the case of an English abductor who due to media pressure released his victim, but in another case a 10 year old was murdered by a paedophile who buried her next to military base in Southfolk;
• Stated that he intended to rent a car as his car was being used for reasons he did not specify;
• That on this night he had a dinner booked in Lagos;
• That he served as a translator for the Northfolk police in situations where threats of a racist nature were made against Portuguese members of the community there.

Signed,
The Inspector Chief
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Post by Verdi on 26.07.18 12:18

A possible cse of mistaken identity..

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Post by Verdi on 26.07.18 12:40

It's debatable whether or not Robert Murat worked for Norfolk police as an interpreter/translator in an 'official' capacity or just someone who happened to be around who spoke Portuguese.

I've seen many similar situations where an individual has a problem but can't speak the local language.  Immediately someone who can interpret/translate is called upon to assist - could be anybody in the vicinity.

I doubt very much Robert Murat was registered as an accredited interpreter/translator, authorised to officially assist police with an investigation.  He worked at the Norfolk turkey farm for some years, he was known to them so quite feasible he would be called on to help out with the Portuguese community.

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Post by willowthewisp on 26.07.18 16:44

@Verdi wrote:A possible cse of mistaken identity..

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Hi Verdi, you must be mistaken with the Two people,as the person in the Polo shirt was sat at a Taps table with a baby listening device,alongside his wife Fiona and Mother in law and Never left the vicinity?

Another possible person had a badly torn Achilies heel,but it didn't stop him from visiting his apartment,Jez Wilkens? He was then seen from jiggling around on an apartment balcony,a couple of days later and didn't have ill effects whilst reading a prepared speech?
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Post by joyce1938 on 26.07.18 23:08

I have had a thought ,about rob murat being seen outside the apartment after the event , my question is ,could it have been the friend of macs ,as both look similar ? joyce1938
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Post by Verdi on 26.07.18 23:43

@joyce1938 wrote:I have had a thought ,about rob murat being seen outside the apartment after the event , my question is ,could it have been the friend of macs ,as both look similar ? joyce1938
A distinct possibility Joyce thumbsup .

According to various witness statements including his own, David Payne was taking control of the situation inside and outside apartment 5a.  Amidst all the confusion and darkness, those who claim to have seen Robert Murat on the night of 3rd/4th May 2007 - who's to say it wasn't a case of mistaken identity.

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Post by NickE on 27.04.19 19:06

This document is a part of Murat's phone records released by the Portuguese.
But why is 3 phone calls(28/4  29/4  30/4) marked with english word "UNKNOWN"?
Why would the Portuguese suddenly put in a english word in a document like this?
It feel's like it doesn't seem's right.
Could it been altered?
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Post by NickE on 17.05.19 10:48

@pjcvreis
Did you find out who the man was, who travelled with Murat from the UK to Faro in May 2007?

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