Hidden in Plain Sight...?

by missbeetle 01.09.15 6:13

One of my theories is that poor Madeleine isn't dead...

...but is living within the wider circle of McCann friends and family -

(renamed, or returned to)

- and has been doing so since long before her reported disappearance.

This could be why the pictures supposedly of her are so fake -

- deliberate obfuscation of the child's real features -

as she (or even he) was never meant to be found.

I've seen nothing to convince me that Madeleine McCann

- eldest biological daughter of Gerry McCann and Kate Healy -

was ever at the Ocean Club in April/May 2007.

My thoughts only.

by **Jill Havern** 01.09.15 7:00

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Discuss.

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by **Tony Bennett** 01.09.15 7:35

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Discuss?

There is nothing to discuss here.

We have many real issues to discuss; this is a diversion.

missbeetle brings us much to think about with a procession of never-seen-before photographs of the McCanns.

But she brings no evidence to her post, merely an opinion without any facts to discuss.

Surely this thread should be closed now, before any more time is wasted?

by **Jill Havern** 01.09.15 7:44

I would like miss beetle to elaborate on her thoughts...surely she can't be the only one to think this?

by Guest 01.09.15 7:56

Get'emGonçalo wrote:I would like miss beetle to elaborate on her thoughts...surely she can't be the only one to think this?

There's really no point.

This could be why the pictures supposedly of her are so fake -

- deliberate obfuscation of the child's real features -

Miss beetle has had his/her ass handed to him/her many many times over this.

Miss beetle makes us all look like nutters by association.

by **Tony Bennett** 01.09.15 8:00

BlueBag wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:I would like miss beetle to elaborate on her thoughts...surely she can't be the only one to think this?

There's really no point.

This could be why the pictures supposedly of her are so fake -

- deliberate obfuscation of the child's real features -

Miss beetle has had his/her ass handed to him/her many many times over this.

Miss beetle makes us all look like nutters by association.

Let missbeetle set out her reasons in detail on a new thread by all means, but please let's close this thread now before we waste more time on it.

by **Jill Havern** 01.09.15 8:13

But why open a new thread to discuss the same thing?

We've both posted photos that suggest Maddie was, indeed, in Praia da Luz and I'd like to hear her reasons for saying Maddie wasn't there.

Let her post her evidence.

And if she can't provide any, then the thread can be locked.

by skyrocket 01.09.15 8:49

Wow guys - you jumped down missbeetles throat quick enough there! Have I missed something in the past?

If they (missbeetle) has said all this before, without any back up argument, then I completely agree with TB and bluebag. But, if they haven't had the chance to expound before then I agree with Get'EmGoncalo - give them a quick chance to clarify before locking this thread!

But, as the rest of you have pointed out to missbeetle - SOMEONE was dead in 5A. Any theory needs to have a damn good explanation for that.

by **Jill Havern** 01.09.15 8:56

skyrocket wrote:Wow guys - you jumped down missbeetles throat quick enough there! Have a misses something in the past?

If they (missbeetle) has said all this before, without any back up argument, then I completely agree with TB and bluebag. But, if they haven't had the chance to expound before then I agree with Get'EmGoncalo - give them a quick chance to clarify before locking this thread!

But, as the rest of you have pointed out to missbeetle - SOMEONE was dead in 5A. Any theory needs to have a damn good explanation for that.

Exactly.

I don't, for one minute, think that Maddie was never there. Someone died there and the death alerts were only related to the McCanns and there's only one person missing.

My "discuss" comment was actually directed at missbeetle because I'd like to know her reasoning for dismissing all the evidence of the dogs.

You're online missbeetle so please answer the question.

by Guest 01.09.15 8:58

skyrocket wrote:Wow guys - you jumped down missbeetles throat quick enough there! Have I missed something in the past?

You certainly have.

"What's wrong with Gerry's teeth".

by plebgate 01.09.15 9:23

The Hoax theory was put forward early on, but was knocked into touch when THE DOGS' alerts were made public.

Maybe miss beetle has been able to come up with an explanation re. the dogs' alerts. If so, I am sure, we would all be interested to hear it.

by skyrocket 01.09.15 9:28

@ BlueBag lol - stop it!

I've had to log back on just for you - now I'm running late!

Would you fancy that face coming at you with a scalpel if you had a heart problem!

There's something not right about the sunglasses either - haven't got to the bottom of it yet. Put a moustache on him in the last photo and old GM would look a bit like Groucho Marx!

by plebgate 01.09.15 9:37

He certainly sounded Grouchy when asked if he knew Murat before. big grin

by **tigger** 01.09.15 16:07

missbeetle wrote:One of my theories is that poor Madeleine isn't dead...

...but is living within the wider circle of McCann friends and family -

(renamed, or returned to)

- and has been doing so since long before her reported disappearance.

This could be why the pictures supposedly of her are so fake -

- deliberate obfuscation of the child's real features -

as she (or even he) was never meant to be found.

I've seen nothing to convince me that Madeleine McCann

- eldest biological daughter of Gerry McCann and Kate Healy -

was ever at the Ocean Club in April/May 2007.

My thoughts only.

If she wasn't there for more than say 36 - 48 hours that would not be surprising.

As with the recent Donegal photo it is clear (to me at least) that an awful lot of photos were photoshopped and there can be several explanations.

She wasn't looking pretty enough on most photos
There simply weren't many photos of her because she wasn't at home very often.
She was ill and looked ill on most photos )
She was in PdL but just not on those dates

I think nr. 2 is the most likely one. Her parents did not appear to know her very well at all or even have an inkling of the level of intelligence of a nearly four year old.
She was incredibly temporally aware - stating that she had the best day ever on the night she disappeared.
She had the first three books of Harry Potter - what she did with them is anyone's guess, reading? They are more than a little advanced for a 4 year old.
In many of her parents' descriptions she appears to be an adult who is her mother's best friend, jumps into a freezing Irish Sea (or Atlantic) does the same in PdL, urging her mother to follow her.
All very strange, then there is that crying incident she enquired about in such a wonderfully well constructed sentence. 'Why didn't you come last night when .... and .... were crying? " - and as we all know, then moved on.. (which Kate used to say whilst doing that isometric facial exercise.)

What I found interesting is that Gerry says in his arguido interview that Maddie used to sleepwalk about twice a week. Would that be weekends?

Personally I go for nr. 2 and 3 in tandem.

by TMH 01.09.15 22:51

missbeetle wrote:One of my theories is that poor Madeleine isn't dead...

...but is living within the wider circle of McCann friends and family -

(renamed, or returned to)

- and has been doing so since long before her reported disappearance.

This could be why the pictures supposedly of her are so fake -

- deliberate obfuscation of the child's real features -

as she (or even he) was never meant to be found.

I've seen nothing to convince me that Madeleine McCann

- eldest biological daughter of Gerry McCann and Kate Healy -

was ever at the Ocean Club in April/May 2007.

My thoughts only.

But why do you think she is with the wider family? Are you saying that the Mc's went to all the trouble of a hoax abduction just so that Madeleine could go and live with a family member? Seems a bit drastic don't you think?

And what about the dogs missbeetle, what about the dogs?

by missbeetle 02.09.15 9:33

I think there were three 'Madeleines' in this manufactured Mystery :

'Madeleine' who is a close family friend or relative's child -

- who was there for their family gatherings

and was used as the base for producing photoshopped pictures...

'Madeleine' who was the sound-alike daughter of friends or relatives -

- who attended crèche at the Ocean Club (according to the Kiko Theory)

as 'Madeleine McCann'...

and 'Madeleine', the Jane Doe body of a young girl

(a victim of child trafficking)

who was eventually laid to rest in Huelva Graveyard

as part of an Operation Mincemeat-type exercise.

It was the third 'Madeleine' the dogs rightly detected.

Only my opinion.

by **tigger** 02.09.15 9:50

missbeetle wrote:I think there were three 'Madeleines' in this manufactured Mystery :

'Madeleine' who is a close family friend or relative's child -

- who was there for their family gatherings

and was used as the base for producing photoshopped pictures...

'Madeleine' who was the sound-alike daughter of friends or relatives -

- who attended crèche at the Ocean Club (according to the Kiko Theory)

as 'Madeleine McCann'...

and 'Madeleine', the Jane Doe body of a young girl

(a victim of child trafficking)

who was eventually laid to rest in Huelva Graveyard

as part of an Operation Mincemeat-type exercise.

It was the third 'Madeleine' the dogs rightly detected.

Only my opinion.

I'd go with that, apart from anything else, a massive confidence trick like your opening post has a certain style - and style imo, the McCanns ain't got...

by Gaggzy 03.09.15 16:16

missbeetle wrote:I think there were three 'Madeleines' in this manufactured Mystery :

'Madeleine' who is a close family friend or relative's child -

- who was there for their family gatherings

and was used as the base for producing photoshopped pictures...

'Madeleine' who was the sound-alike daughter of friends or relatives -

- who attended crèche at the Ocean Club (according to the Kiko Theory)

as 'Madeleine McCann'...

and 'Madeleine', the Jane Doe body of a young girl

(a victim of child trafficking)

who was eventually laid to rest in Huelva Graveyard

as part of an Operation Mincemeat-type exercise.

It was the third 'Madeleine' the dogs rightly detected.

Only my opinion.

Madeleine ... Maddie .... and Margaret.

By jove, you've got it!!!!

As for your theory, Missbeetle, of Madeleine being alive and living somewhere with the family, I've seen Jean Monroe stating such a theory on here at times. Sorry, no way for me.