OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

russiandoll wrote:It would appear that DCI Redwood was handed a poisoned chalice, without the command from on high SY would not have taken the step to review the case.

russiandoll wrote:It would appear that DCI Redwood was handed a poisoned chalice, without the command from on high SY would not have taken the step to review the case.

Tony Bennett wrote:

Woofer wrote:Was it Paiva that reiterated in court today that the current investigation by SY is under the remit from the government (Home Office) to investigate from the abduction perspective only?  If this is really the case, it does explain a lot of the blarney Andy Redwood is coming out with recently.  And it would mean the root of the corruption/whitewash stems from Teresa May and David Cameron (under persuasion from Rebeka Brooks). IMO there is still one hell of a lot of dirt to come out from that direction.

 Woofer, I think this is incorrect.

The way it worked out in practice was that Dr Kate McCann wrote a book to be published and serialised by the Sun and then the McCanns demanded a new review and then Rupert Murdoch told Rebekah Brooks who told ["persuaded"]  David Cameron who told Theresa May who told the then Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police (the recent but not lamented former Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson) to 'hold a review'.

After that it was the Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) themselves (not the government) who were left to decide their own precise remit - and just to remind everyone of the exact wording of it, it was (as revealed in answer to a Freedom of Information Act request):

“The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before. It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter…”

As an aside, it doesn't look as though the remit was very successfully carried out, in that the Portuguese authorities do not seem to want to 'progress the matter'. Hence six senior British detectives somewhere in or near Faro trying to interview 41 'persons of interest', most of them in Portugal, while their 37 colleagues in the U.K. spend the next few months trying to get thousands of mobile 'phone records from a 'call dump' located in 31 separate countries - and then start 'phoning up the owners (if, six years later, they still have the same mobile 'phones) to see if they can remember anything.

If, of course, the owner of a certain mobile 'phone is, say, Herr Fritz Dachenstein of Ludwigshafen (or for that matter Frau Gretel Kuechenarbeiterin of Schoendorf-an-der-Fluss), who were holidaying in Praia da Luz at the time, but are no longer handily available on their previous mobile 'phone numbers, they will have to be traced (if they are still alive of course) and, if their new telephone number can be traced, they will be contacted by one of Redwood's men who speaks German, or if not, they will find someone who can speak German to speak to them, and then, if necessary, arrange to visit them at Ludwigshafen or Schoendorf-an-der-Fluss as appropriate.

If another person who had a mobile 'phone with him in Praia da Luz around that time is, say, Dieter van Doetinchem from, say 's Hertogenbosch in Holland, then they will go through the same exercise as above and end up needing someone who can speak Dutch, though I believe there are at least three people on here who could perhaps volunteer their services. And so on, until they have traced every single one of thousands of visitors (with mobile 'phones) in Praia da Luz in the weeks around the time Madeleine was reported missing (I think I read somewhere that the SY Review team want to look at periods both before and after the week the McCanns were there).

The dedication of Redwood and his men has me lost for words.

Woofer wrote: I`d like to know exactly who made the decision to proceed "as if the abduction occurred in the UK" and not "as if the disappearance occurred in the UK".

Shrike wrote:Portuguese seem no closer to re-opening the case and a long way from a close working relationship between the forces. If true that this is the Met's remit I find it stunningly shocking:
 

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 36m
Flores says `prophetic and dogmatic vision' behind current SY #McCann probe. UK cops `only putting forward the hypothesis of abduction'

Portia wrote:]40 plus detectives earning around EUR/Lb 6000 per diem equals what per detective per diem? 

Lb 125 per diem?

Equals EUR/Lb 16,00 per hour?

Is that very much, by British standards?

Tony Bennett wrote:
Quod erat demnstrandum

tasprin wrote:

russiandoll wrote:It would appear that DCI Redwood was handed a poisoned chalice, without the command from on high SY would not have taken the step to review the case.

No wonder he always looks shell-shocked.

russiandoll wrote:The bags under Andy Redwood's eyes are bigger every time he appears on t v. I feel sorry for the man, imagining the pressure he is under and IF he has been ordered from on high  " we have been told to make it go this way", against every principle of crime investigation, he must be suffering severe stress.

 It might be romantic to want him to be the hero, he and his team finally revealing the truth of this matter, but in reality....would you want to be him, knowing the obstacles in his way?

russiandoll wrote:My comment about feeling sorry for him due to the stress he must be under was based on just that......the stress. I have no sympathy for anyone weak enough to take part in a cover up, or for putting career before justice. I would hope that despite the stress that he is a man of integrity like Amaral.

  We have not had any proof yet that Redwood is taking part in a whitewash, so until we do I will continue to feel some sympathy for a man who did not choose to be put in charge of this case, but was handed it and ordered to deal with it by the Home Secretary.

As for the Truth of the Lie part 2, a good idea indeed, and I hope that if he finds that he is being told to manipulate evidence to suit a government agenda, he will do the right thing. I do not understand why he is being criticised before anyone knows for sure what his team are doing and what their new theory is.

Shrike wrote:I saw this in an earlier topic on this forum from back in June:
 
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"Since then, I have spoken to Gary Hagland a number of times. In our most recent conversation, he confirmed to me once again that he had retained extensive notes on his period with the McCann Team and was writing a book about his experiences with the McCann Team. He has even sent me extracts of his book.

In 2011, he disclosed to me that he had spoken to a senior member of the Scotland Yard Review Team, Operation Grange, and was prerpared to make a full sttaemnt to them. I have no doubt in my mind that DCI Andy Redwood would have seized the opportunity to talk to him in depth and make a full witness statement."

Does anybody know if anything might have come out of this and if this could have anything to do with new evidence?

nobodythereeither wrote:

Shrike wrote:I saw this in an earlier topic on this forum from back in June:
 
Quote:
"Since then, I have spoken to Gary Hagland a number of times. In our most recent conversation, he confirmed to me once again that he had retained extensive notes on his period with the McCann Team and was writing a book about his experiences with the McCann Team. He has even sent me extracts of his book.

In 2011, he disclosed to me that he had spoken to a senior member of the Scotland Yard Review Team, Operation Grange, and was prerpared to make a full sttaemnt to them. I have no doubt in my mind that DCI Andy Redwood would have seized the opportunity to talk to him in depth and make a full witness statement."

Does anybody know if anything might have come out of this and if this could have anything to do with new evidence?

Sorry for my ignorance, but who is Gary Hagland? One of their PIs?

Shrike wrote:I saw this in an earlier topic on this forum from back in June:
 
Quote:
"Since then, I have spoken to Gary Hagland a number of times. In our most recent conversation, he confirmed to me once again that he had retained extensive notes on his period with the McCann Team and was writing a book about his experiences with the McCann Team. He has even sent me extracts of his book.

In 2011, he disclosed to me that he had spoken to a senior member of the Scotland Yard Review Team, Operation Grange, and was prerpared to make a full sttaemnt to them. I have no doubt in my mind that DCI Andy Redwood would have seized the opportunity to talk to him in depth and make a full witness statement."

Does anybody know if anything might have come out of this and if this could have anything to do with new evidence?