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by sallypelt 04.10.13 11:58
But could it be done at a different time, but done at a time when the lighting would have been exactly the same. For example, half hour later so the lighting would correspond with the lighting of the 3 May? Just a thought!Tony Bennett wrote:No.Portia wrote:October 3rd?Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it. Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.
Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May. I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn. There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.
9th August.
3rd May was 49 days before the day when the sun is at its highest in the northern hemisphere: 21 June.
49 days after that is 9th August.
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by aiyoyo 04.10.13 11:59
Would new theory result in arrest? Of who?Woofer wrote:I wonder if Andy Redwood has run his NEW THEORY past the McCanns to see if they approve it?
It's new evidence that will get the case reopen in Portugal.
Besides, Redwood didnt say what his old theory was? Last we heard it was 50/50 Maddie could be alive or sadly dead.
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by Woofer 04.10.13 12:00
Sunset in Faro on May 3rd was at 20.23.candyfloss wrote:Well it's all been filmed - so when was it done? The MSM must have known about this...........and the news comes out today.Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it. Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.
Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May. I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn. There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.
The nearest corresponding sunset is 15th August.
So perhaps the reconstruction was done then.
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by aiyoyo 04.10.13 12:02
Any chance the * fresh and substantive* information could be the entry/exit point in the her parents statements that the Public were not told about?Detectives said "fresh and substantive" information would emerge on 14 October, when the BBC broadcasts a Crimewatch appeal.
Or any chance the it would be about JT going passed GM and JW but they didn't see her?
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by Cristobell 04.10.13 12:04
It should be remembered that the Philpotts did a shoulder to shoulder appeal with the Met police alongside them and look how that turned out.Tony Bennett wrote:Is this right?candyfloss wrote:I have always had faith in SY and that they would bring whoever was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to justice. However there is one niggle, [i]call me cynical[i], but releasing this info, slap bang in the middle of a libel trial, and just when Mr Amaral's witnesses are about to give evidence??
Kate & Gerry have already agreed to stand shoulder to shoulder with detectives on the Crimewatch programme (whether live or pre-recorded I am not sure, presumably the latter).
The reconstruction has probably been done, is in the can, and was probaaly approved by the McCann Team weeks ago.
The only thing left to be decided was which Monday the Crimewatch programme was to be shown.
They have chosen 14 October. Why is anyone's guess.
All I want to say, and I acknowledge the optimism of sallypelt, ShuBob and many others, is that there must be a very very good professional reason for the police and the BBC to give us a Crimewatch special on Madeleine McCann 6 years and 5 months after her disappearance.
Just as there must also be a very very good professional reason for Scotland Yard to want to:
* interview 41 persons of interest
* examine 37,148 documents
* pursue nearly 4,000 'actions'
* pursue, in 31 countries, the ownership of thousands of cell phones (many of them pay-as-you-go) and the data on them
* establish a team based in the Algarve to conduct their ongoing investigations.
What is the purpose and premise of Crimewatch?
That someone watching will come up with the vital clue which will solve the crime.
So it remains to be seen exactly what they want the millions of people watching the programme to do
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by Woofer 04.10.13 12:05
Redwood actually said they had 2 lines of enquiry (meaning 2 separate enquiry teams I expect), one focusing on the theory she is dead and the other team focusing on the theory she is alive.aiyoyo wrote:Would new theory result in arrest? Of who?Woofer wrote:I wonder if Andy Redwood has run his NEW THEORY past the McCanns to see if they approve it?
It's new evidence that will get the case reopen in Portugal.
Besides, Redwood didnt say what his old theory was? Last we heard it was 50/50 Maddie could be alive or sadly dead.
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by sallypelt 04.10.13 12:06
And, "this is the first time that the McCann's have sat along side the police"Cristobell wrote:It should be remembered that the Philpotts did a shoulder to shoulder appeal with the Met police alongside them and look how that turned out.Tony Bennett wrote:Is this right?candyfloss wrote:I have always had faith in SY and that they would bring whoever was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to justice. However there is one niggle, [i]call me cynical[i], but releasing this info, slap bang in the middle of a libel trial, and just when Mr Amaral's witnesses are about to give evidence??
Kate & Gerry have already agreed to stand shoulder to shoulder with detectives on the Crimewatch programme (whether live or pre-recorded I am not sure, presumably the latter).
The reconstruction has probably been done, is in the can, and was probaaly approved by the McCann Team weeks ago.
The only thing left to be decided was which Monday the Crimewatch programme was to be shown.
They have chosen 14 October. Why is anyone's guess.
All I want to say, and I acknowledge the optimism of sallypelt, ShuBob and many others, is that there must be a very very good professional reason for the police and the BBC to give us a Crimewatch special on Madeleine McCann 6 years and 5 months after her disappearance.
Just as there must also be a very very good professional reason for Scotland Yard to want to:
* interview 41 persons of interest
* examine 37,148 documents
* pursue nearly 4,000 'actions'
* pursue, in 31 countries, the ownership of thousands of cell phones (many of them pay-as-you-go) and the data on them
* establish a team based in the Algarve to conduct their ongoing investigations.
What is the purpose and premise of Crimewatch?
That someone watching will come up with the vital clue which will solve the crime.
So it remains to be seen exactly what they want the millions of people watching the programme to do
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by aiyoyo 04.10.13 12:07
Filmed, pre recorded? By who ? Mccans with the helo of film-making girl Loach?Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 3h
Madeleine #McCann parents have filmed pre-recorded segments for Crimewatch and will be live in studio
Would this be Rothley scene where kate asked one of the twins "shall we let him in"?
Or would this the whooshing curtains gesturing with both arms?
Come to think of it, maybe this whole thing was directed by Yard and produced by Loach? Who knows?
Was it BBC that filmed it?
Why did Martin Brunt shuttle back and forth from Lisbon following Kate & Gerry just a hawk, but not there for most of the process?
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by sallypelt 04.10.13 12:09
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
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If they are going over old ground..
by worriedmum 04.10.13 12:10
why doesn't some-one suggest to Andy Redwood bringing in a highly trained team of sniffer dogs to apartment 5a? You know, the sort that the FBI use? The sort that helped solve the Attracta Harron missing person case?
They could film the results...
They could film the results...
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by aiyoyo 04.10.13 12:10
Pretty banal statement of no value.Woofer wrote:Redwood actually said they had 2 lines of enquiry (meaning 2 separate enquiry teams I expect), one focusing on the theory she is dead and the other team focusing on the theory she is alive.aiyoyo wrote:Would new theory result in arrest? Of who?Woofer wrote:I wonder if Andy Redwood has run his NEW THEORY past the McCanns to see if they approve it?
It's new evidence that will get the case reopen in Portugal.
Besides, Redwood didnt say what his old theory was? Last we heard it was 50/50 Maddie could be alive or sadly dead.
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by Tony Bennett 04.10.13 12:11
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Portuguese police has appointed team of 6 senior detectives based in Faro to assist Met 37-strong squad with Madeleine #McCann investigation
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So the SY team has suddenly increased by 16% in size - from 37 staff to 43 staff. And all of these new 6 staff are senior detectives.
Add to that the fact that this team of 6 detectives will not only be getting the salaries of senior detectives but also their accommodation will be paid - hotels or B&B or maybe a cosy 6-bed apartment on rent for 6 months - plus travelling to and from Praia da Luz and Portimao and to visit 41 'persons of interest' - and of course a generous 'subsistence allowance'.
The daily cost of this already £6-million investigation has probably gone up by at least 25%
Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 3h
Portuguese police has appointed team of 6 senior detectives based in Faro to assist Met 37-strong squad with Madeleine #McCann investigation
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So the SY team has suddenly increased by 16% in size - from 37 staff to 43 staff. And all of these new 6 staff are senior detectives.
Add to that the fact that this team of 6 detectives will not only be getting the salaries of senior detectives but also their accommodation will be paid - hotels or B&B or maybe a cosy 6-bed apartment on rent for 6 months - plus travelling to and from Praia da Luz and Portimao and to visit 41 'persons of interest' - and of course a generous 'subsistence allowance'.
The daily cost of this already £6-million investigation has probably gone up by at least 25%
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Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries
by tasprin 04.10.13 12:12
I thought Scotland Yard didn't want a media circus?
If this new and substantive information is of such great importance why has the case not been reopened?
Earlier this year they had 38 leads. Now they have 41. But, 3 of those are to be eliminated. Which brings us back to 38. Why would they release such useless information?
If Scotland Yard is investigating phone records, why don't they just get on with it?
Why are they creating a media circus in the middle of the libel trial when it is something they said they wished to avoid because of their 'sensitive' ongoing inquiries?
Hopefully Emma Loach was not involved in the filming of the latest reconstruction.
If this new and substantive information is of such great importance why has the case not been reopened?
Earlier this year they had 38 leads. Now they have 41. But, 3 of those are to be eliminated. Which brings us back to 38. Why would they release such useless information?
If Scotland Yard is investigating phone records, why don't they just get on with it?
Why are they creating a media circus in the middle of the libel trial when it is something they said they wished to avoid because of their 'sensitive' ongoing inquiries?
Hopefully Emma Loach was not involved in the filming of the latest reconstruction.
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by Liz Eagles 04.10.13 12:13
'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
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by ShuBob 04.10.13 12:15
Whatever it is, it's clear the Met don't think it would lead to finding a live Maddie. Otherwise, they won't wait till the 14th to release the information.aiyoyo wrote:Any chance the * fresh and substantive* information could be the entry/exit point in the her parents statements that the Public were not told about?Detectives said "fresh and substantive" information would emerge on 14 October, when the BBC broadcasts a Crimewatch appeal.
Or any chance the it would be about JT going passed GM and JW but they didn't see her?
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by ShuBob 04.10.13 12:16
I won't say what immediately came to mind when I saw ID in that picture.sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
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by tasprin 04.10.13 12:17
Doowadiddy and her famous umbrella, again.aquila wrote:'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
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by sallypelt 04.10.13 12:19
"Borrowed" from a twitter site
Jim Gamble on @BBCNews talking about #mccann investigation,knowing Gerry had his booklet on missing and abducted children hotel room.
Jim Gamble on @BBCNews talking about #mccann investigation,knowing Gerry had his booklet on missing and abducted children hotel room.
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by jozi 04.10.13 12:20
Why is she holding the umbrella for these two big strapping guys, one is Gerry who is the other one ?aquila wrote:'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
Gerry where is your manners ?
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by Liz Eagles 04.10.13 12:21
Great name for a pop duo Iddy and the Gamptasprin wrote:Doowadiddy and her famous umbrella, again.aquila wrote:'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
If she were to do that on a sunny day in London she'd have a trail of tourists following her. Perhaps she's worried that hair dye runs in the rain.
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by Nina 04.10.13 12:22
How can 2 'gentlemen' allow a 'lady' to hold an umbrella over their heads whilst her head is getting wet?tasprin wrote:Doowadiddy and her famous umbrella, again.aquila wrote:'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
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by sallypelt 04.10.13 12:23
Hey, when one is paid a £1000 an hour, I, too, would hold the brolly over his/her/their head/s:thanks:jozi wrote:Why is she holding the umbrella for these two big strapping guys, one is Gerry who is the other one ?aquila wrote:'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916
"Nice" pic of ID on there.
Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?
Gerry where is your manners ?
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by ShuBob 04.10.13 12:25
Is it possible Jim Gamble is doing the rounds in a bid to make himself look good knowing there's a chance his early involvement would be called into question?
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by Woofer 04.10.13 12:26
He`s twisted that and its old info. DCI Redwood actually said they are in a `unique position`.candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 29s
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