They've Taken Her

by sallypelt 28.08.13 23:16

It's long been stated that on the night of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, Kate shouted "They've taken her". Does anyone know who stated that Kate McCann had said this?

by whmon 28.08.13 23:22

Yes, Cherry blossom posted in the 'Jane Tanner didn't leave the table' thread that it was the tapas bar waiter.

by sallypelt 28.08.13 23:33

The reason for my question is, I didn't know that Kate McCann had actually told Yvonne Warren Martin. This is a paragraph taken from YWM's statement she gave to the Polícia Judiciária

"she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that both could speak under more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they should go inside the apartment, which prompted for Kate to react aggressively and against such an idea and told her that they could speak on the street".

I am going over David Payne's statements and all information related to him, and the more I read and go over old ground, the more I feel uncomfortable about him.

by Guest 28.08.13 23:37

The strangest thing IMO in "They've taken her" is not the "they" but the "her" ...

by sallypelt 28.08.13 23:47

Process 201/07.0 GALGS Vol. XIII, page 3429

Polícia JudiciáriaPhotographic Recognition File

On the 13th of June of 2007, at this CID of Portimão, Yvonne Warren has presented herself before me, José Monteiro, Inspector, to perform a photographic recognition.

Because this was solicited from her, she described the suspect, and she was presented with photographs of the several individuals that composed the McCann couple’s holiday group.

From the visualisation of the photographs, it resulted that she recognised David Anthony Payne, an individual that is portrayed in several pictures, as being the one that she mentioned in her statements and whom she supposedly already knew from another circumstance

~On 11/4/08 DAP was interviewed again, and he said that he'd been Working in Derby for "just over a week" and before that he had worked in Leicester General Hospital for 2 years. So, where was he before he started working in Leicester?
Places where she has worked

Yvonne Warren is adamant that she had crossed DAP's path somewhere before. She goes on to say that she has worked in

1. Gateshead, Tyne & Wear
2. Southshields, Tyne & Wear
3. Newcastle, Tyne & Wear
4. York, North Yorkshire
5. Hull, Kingston Upon Hull
6. North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear
7. Plymouth, Devon

Does anyone know if DAP has any connection to these places?

by listener 28.08.13 23:58

Châtelaine wrote:The strangest thing IMO in "They've taken her" is not the "they" but the "her" ...

Thank-you Chatelaine :flower:.
Subconsciously, these words always bothered me. Now I know why. As you say - it's the "her" !

by **tigger** 29.08.13 6:17

Yvonne Warren Martin made a long statement in November too. These can be found in the topic 'Yvonne Warren Martin statements' here.

'They've taken her'. Was also corroborated by Pennington iirc. It was printed in the press in the first reports and in fact that phrase convinced me right from the start that it was a lie.

The McCanns are like robots who are lost without a manual on natural emotions and reactions. So we are presented with their peculiar brand of logic.
The house has been burgled, they've taken my watch.....
Imo of course

by MissesWillYa 29.08.13 19:57

Charlotte Pennington claims to have heard "They've taken her" too.

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by kikoraton 29.08.13 20:11

"Subconsciously, these words always bothered me. Now I know why. As you say - it's the "her" !

In other words, "her" might have referred to Madeleine or Amelie. Kate knew that Amelie was at no risk, because she (KM) knew that the charade was always going to involve Madeleine. Which in turn demonstrates that it was a charade.

by Guest 29.08.13 21:21

If it is correct as I understand that none of the Tapas mob asked who Kate meant - Madeleine or Amelie?- then they must have been in on the act.

by Penfold 29.08.13 21:24

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:If it is correct as I understand that none of the Tapas mob asked who Kate meant - Madeleine or Amelie?- then they must have been in on the act.

by Smokeandmirrors 29.08.13 21:36

kikoraton wrote:"Subconsciously, these words always bothered me. Now I know why. As you say - it's the "her" !

In other words, "her" might have referred to Madeleine or Amelie. Kate knew that Amelie was at no risk, because she (KM) knew that the charade was always going to involve Madeleine. Which in turn demonstrates that it was a charade.

Agree completely.

by Harriet94 29.08.13 21:55

I must admit when I started reading this thread, I wondered what the problem was if Kate said 'her'. Now I get it. Probably not connected by I never understood why Madeleine was supposed to have said " where were you when Sean and I were crying last night?" Why didn't Amelie wake up and cry too? I wondered if there were only two children in the apartment.

by russiandoll 29.08.13 22:03

on personal pronouns : They are used when it is unnecessary or impracticable to identify a person or thing more precisely, usually because it is clear who or what is meant.

by Guest 29.08.13 22:25

russiandoll wrote:on personal pronouns : They are used when it is unnecessary or impracticable to identify a person or thing more precisely, usually because it is clear who or what is meant.

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Right.

And don't forget, elsewhere, there's a theory that "someone" was in the know BEFORE 10Ppm on May 3 ...

by Woofer 30.08.13 0:01

Why would someone say "They`ve taken her"?

Because it was known that someone was with her beforehand and they ended up taking her or,

She was expected to be taken but it was earlier than expected.

In either scenario she could be alive or dead.

by listener 30.08.13 0:03

kikoraton wrote:"Subconsciously, these words always bothered me. Now I know why. As you say - it's the "her" !

In other words, "her" might have referred to Madeleine or Amelie. Kate knew that Amelie was at no risk, because she (KM) knew that the charade was always going to involve Madeleine. Which in turn demonstrates that it was a charade.

Exactly

by aiyoyo 30.08.13 0:37

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:If it is correct as I understand that none of the Tapas mob asked who Kate meant - Madeleine or Amelie?- then they must have been in on the act.

None of them asked about the "they" either. Does it mean they also know who "they" were that Kate referred to ?
Otherwise "they" who ? How did Kate know it was "they" ?

More normal to say "Madeleine is missing, gone....." than "they've taken her". The latter implies pre knowledge of something.