The truth about Tony Bennett and the two Harlow Credit Unions
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jkh wrote:Slartibartfast wrote:Also worth noting is Eddie failed to alert to the toy until it was hidden away....
There was more than 1 cuddlecat
In fact, according to the Daily Mail each investigator had a replica of cuddlecat that they were encouraged to squeeze when they felt demotivated by the case.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510321/McCanns-wasting-fund-cash-Madeleine-hunt-Morocco.html
Sean is carrying a different soft toy. It is not cuddlecat. This was established a long, long time ago when 3As was still in existence.
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Anyway nice deflection by Toony away from the pressing issue, why did he re-name someone in his OP when he did not to, and then he claimed he never mentioned him at all.
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Not a problem at all stephanie, a simple mistake [we all make mistakes], a clear and nice apology [not needed but welcome], water under the bridge.Stephanie wrote:I apologise Mr. B I was incorrect I take back my message to you , you DID not write that and I apologise , hopefully you can take my apology and excuse my mistake.
Glad you agreed with me that 'Raffle' was talking 'tosh' though
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No, the issue is: did I libel Ian West? Clearly the answer is 'No' as no-one can explain how I libelled him.rockyrobin wrote:Anyway nice deflection by Toony away from the pressing issue, why did he re-name someone in his OP when he did not to, and then he claimed he never mentioned him at all.
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Re-read what i put TOONY re-read it my dear.
Anyway why do you not want to answer my questions put to you on another thread.
Anyway why do you not want to answer my questions put to you on another thread.
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Conclusion therefore: There was no blood on Cuddle Cat but a corpse had been in contact with Cuddle Cat for at least 90 minutes.
sorry don't want to dwell on this but think something stated as fact should be fact. I've read many times it may take about 90minutes for a corpse to initially produce the cadaverine scent but don't think its been stated an item has to be in contact with a corpse for 90 minutes for the scent to be transfered once the scent is is existence. apologies to mr. Bennett if wrong although I've just read another report by a dog handler which states the contact time can be far less than 90 minutes for a transfer of the scent.
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miller wrote:Tony Bennett wrote:
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Conclusion therefore: There was no blood on Cuddle Cat but a corpse had been in contact with Cuddle Cat for at least 90 minutes.
sorry don't want to dwell on this but think something stated as fact should be fact. I've read many times it may take about 90minutes for a corpse to initially produce the cadaverine scent but don't think its been stated an item has to be in contact with a corpse for 90 minutes for the scent to be transfered once the scent is is existence. apologies to mr. Bennett if wrong although I've just read another report by a dog handler which states the contact time can be far less than 90 minutes for a transfer of the scent.
I would agree with that - I also don't think it takes 90 minutes for something to transfer to something...otherwise if the dogs are to be believed and Maddie was behind the sofa, in the wardrobe, flowerbed, verandah etc then she would have to have been in all those places for 90 minutes each wouldn't she?
Unless Maddie was holding cuddlecat when/if she died then I guess it would take 90 minutes for cuddlecat to be contaminated.
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Also Mr Bennett has omitted the fact that Cadavar scent travels
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rockyrobin wrote:Also Mr Bennett has omitted the fact that Cadavar scent travels
How do you mean?
I know it travels into a persons nostrils because when I was a plod years ago I went to a house where a man had hanged himself. I didn't touch the body at all but could smell the death scent for months afterwards. I thought the smell had transferred to my clothes, but according to a chat with an undertaker, the smell was actually in my nose which is why I thought I could smell it everywhere.
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Cadavar scent is easily transferred. Bear in mind all the PJ officers, all the GNR officers, the scenes of crimes officers, the McCanns =, their friends, were all in and out of the apartment before he dogs came in.
I take it Amaral had never heard of preservation of a crime scene
I take it Amaral had never heard of preservation of a crime scene
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jkh wrote:rockyrobin wrote:Also Mr Bennett has omitted the fact that Cadavar scent travels
How do you mean?
I know it travels into a persons nostrils because when I was a plod years ago I went to a house where a man had hanged himself. I didn't touch the body at all but could smell the death scent for months afterwards. I thought the smell had transferred to my clothes, but according to a chat with an undertaker, the smell was actually in my nose which is why I thought I could smell it everywhere.
Well all scent travels under the influence of air movement and temperature.
In the apartment video Grime says that the alert points may not necessarily be the source of the scent but that scent has accumulated at those points because of air movement in the apartment.
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rockyrobin wrote:Cadavar scent is easily transferred. Bear in mind all the PJ officers, all the GNR officers, the scenes of crimes officers, the McCanns =, their friends, were all in and out of the apartment before he dogs came in.
I take it Amaral had never heard of preservation of a crime scene
Their friends were "in and out" as you put it, even BEFORE the police were called. They are all well educated people and should know better. The apartment was sealed off that night, and K & G moved to another apartment.
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rockyrobin wrote:Re-read what i put TOONY re-read it my dear.
Anyway why do you not want to answer my questions put to you on another thread.
Just a thought but try spelling his name correctly and he might be more inclined to answer your questions.
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Slartibartfast wrote:jkh wrote:rockyrobin wrote:Also Mr Bennett has omitted the fact that Cadavar scent travels
How do you mean?
I know it travels into a persons nostrils because when I was a plod years ago I went to a house where a man had hanged himself. I didn't touch the body at all but could smell the death scent for months afterwards. I thought the smell had transferred to my clothes, but according to a chat with an undertaker, the smell was actually in my nose which is why I thought I could smell it everywhere.
Well all scent travels under the influence of air movement and temperature.
In the apartment video Grime says that the alert points may not necessarily be the source of the scent but that scent has accumulated at those points because of air movement in the apartment.
My point exactly to bennett, but as always, he IS NOT LISTENING. He needs to LISTEN, as in turn up the sound and LISTEN to what Grimes SAYS on the video footage
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candyfloss wrote:rockyrobin wrote:Cadavar scent is easily transferred. Bear in mind all the PJ officers, all the GNR officers, the scenes of crimes officers, the McCanns =, their friends, were all in and out of the apartment before he dogs came in.
I take it Amaral had never heard of preservation of a crime scene
Their friends were "in and out" as you put it, even BEFORE the police were called. They are all well educated people and should know better. The apartment was sealed off that night, and K & G moved to another apartment.
I don't see why you should expect doctors to be preserving a crime scene when the GNR officers complete with their dogs failed to.
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Raffle wrote:Slartibartfast wrote:jkh wrote:rockyrobin wrote:Also Mr Bennett has omitted the fact that Cadavar scent travels
How do you mean?
I know it travels into a persons nostrils because when I was a plod years ago I went to a house where a man had hanged himself. I didn't touch the body at all but could smell the death scent for months afterwards. I thought the smell had transferred to my clothes, but according to a chat with an undertaker, the smell was actually in my nose which is why I thought I could smell it everywhere.
Well all scent travels under the influence of air movement and temperature.
In the apartment video Grime says that the alert points may not necessarily be the source of the scent but that scent has accumulated at those points because of air movement in the apartment.
My point exactly to bennett, but as always, he IS NOT LISTENING. He needs to LISTEN, as in turn up the sound and LISTEN to what Grimes SAYS on the video footage
One of the points that is clearly missed by everyone.
Eddie is a wide area, free roaming, off-the-leash scenting dog. His alerts are always of the general variety. He can scent after the source has been removed.
Keela will ONLY alert when there is a specific area where the blood might be.
That's why the dogs cannot corroborate each other as they have different specificity.
The only way the alerts can be corroborated is through forensic analysis of items that the dog alerted to.
In this case there was no corroboration which according to Grime makes the alerts unreliable from an evidential and intelligence point of view.
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Slartibartfast wrote:candyfloss wrote:rockyrobin wrote:Cadavar scent is easily transferred. Bear in mind all the PJ officers, all the GNR officers, the scenes of crimes officers, the McCanns =, their friends, were all in and out of the apartment before he dogs came in.
I take it Amaral had never heard of preservation of a crime scene
Their friends were "in and out" as you put it, even BEFORE the police were called. They are all well educated people and should know better. The apartment was sealed off that night, and K & G moved to another apartment.
I don't see why you should expect doctors to be preserving a crime scene when the GNR officers complete with their dogs failed to.
Oh come on, of course the McCanns knew that by allowing so many people into the apartment, they were contaminating the 'crime scene'.
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I dont think that would be the first thing on my mind tbh.
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I haven't read Martin Grime saying the dog alerts are unreliable from an intelligence point of view.
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littlepixie wrote:I haven't read Martin Grime saying the dog alerts are unreliable from an intelligence point of view.
I'm sure they're not. Just when there's nothing there to corroborate them then a call can't be made as to whether they were reliable or not. iyswim.
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That is obvious that is why the McCanns are walking free.
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I put it incorrectly, let me rephrase it:jkh wrote:miller wrote:Tony Bennett wrote:Conclusion therefore: There was no blood on Cuddle Cat but a corpse had been in contact with Cuddle Cat for at least 90 minutes.
I've read many times it may take about 90 minutes for a corpse to initially produce the cadaverine scent but don't think its been stated an item has to be in contact with a corpse for 90 minutes for the scent to be transfered once the scent is is existence. Apologies to mr. Bennett if wrong although I've just read another report by a dog handler which states the contact time can be far less than 90 minutes for a transfer of the scent.
I would agree with that - I also don't think it takes 90 minutes for something to transfer to something...otherwise if the dogs are to be believed and Maddie was behind the sofa, in the wardrobe, flowerbed, verandah etc then she would have to have been in all those places for 90 minutes each wouldn't she?
Unless Maddie was holding cuddlecat when/if she died then I guess it would take 90 minutes for cuddlecat to be contaminated.
Conclusion therefore: There was no blood on Cuddle Cat but Cuddle Cat had been in contact with a corpse that had been dead for at least 90 minutes.
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Otium wrote:rockyrobin wrote:Re-read what i put TOONY re-read it my dear.
Anyway why do you not want to answer my questions put to you on another thread.
Just a thought but try spelling his name correctly and he might be more inclined to answer your questions.
When the Toony can say yes he was wrong and he did quote the Photographer in his opening quote (which Mr Bennett says he never did but three others mentioned him) and it is in the opening post, i will call him his proper name.
Until then he is still a catTOONY.
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littlepixie wrote:That is obvious that is why the McCanns are walking free.
That's a big jump.
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rockyrobin wrote:Otium wrote:rockyrobin wrote:Re-read what i put TOONY re-read it my dear.
Anyway why do you not want to answer my questions put to you on another thread.
Just a thought but try spelling his name correctly and he might be more inclined to answer your questions.
When the Toony can say yes he was wrong and he did quote the Photographer in his opening quote (which Mr Bennett says he never did but three others mentioned him) and it is in the opening post, i will call him his proper name.
Until then he is still a catTOONY.
See Otium - I didnt think the suggestion would work on some people especially loaded with certain intent!
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