Re: Bernt Stellander interview

by AnneCGuedes 11.08.24 16:09

PeterMac wrote:phil_burtonSorry, I simply wasn’t online - have a young family I was making dinner.

I will watch the video again, but I don’t remember much new information - just almost verbatim repetition of Amaral’s book, and many of the theories I have read on here. He even name checks this forum several times.

It is very far from a "repetition of Amaral’s book"
It tears apart - with the benefit of 17 years of analysis and a lot of new evidence which Dr Amaral did not have - the fundamental invented ‘story’ which DCI Amaral had to contend with.
even in the first two ‘half kilos; of the Brick it picks the story apart and then reconstructs in the right order which reveals a new and seriously credible scenario
This new scenario, using much of what the Tapas and the McCanns themselves said and did as the foundation, is compelling.
He pays respect to - or as you disparagingly say “Name Checks” - this forum and several individuals for the contribution they have made to the deeper understanding of the case as a whole, and their dedication to picking apart the lies and deceits which so many have unthinkingly accepted.
I recommend your buying a copy and studying it in detail so you may compare it with your other sources of information and your own research notes
You will find much to interest you.

What is that "lot of new evidence" Gonçalo Amaral didn't have ? And why didn't he ? After all he published another book on the case in 2021.

by AnneCGuedes 11.08.24 16:11

crusader wrote:The friend's statements say's they checked on on the children, sometimes listening from outside the apartments, so that wasn't a media invention.
The McCann's didn't check anyone else's children.

Do you have a link about "they checked on the children, sometimes listening from outside de apartments" ?

by Amy Dean 11.08.24 16:13

Thanks for that, Crusader.

Russell O'Brien's statement is particularly memorable in that he found that his daughter had been sick so he cleaned her up before going back to the meal.

Perhaps it's completely fictional - to go along with the checking narrative. Would any parent really do that; next time the child might choke to death while left alone.

by Ladyinred 11.08.24 16:25

Didn't RO'B also wash the bedding?

Strange parenting all round.

by crusader 11.08.24 16:27

All the tapas 7 statements are in the PJ files where they say they checked on each others children.https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

Rob washed his child's bedding because she had been sick, they knew she wasn't well before they left her.

by AnneCGuedes 11.08.24 16:43

crusader wrote:All the tapas 7 statements are in the PJ files where they say they checked on each others children.https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/

I don't really need a link to the PJFiles, Crusader ! I meant a link to such statements, because to my knowledge they don't exist !

by crusader 11.08.24 17:14

The PJ files is where I read the statements of the tapas friends who said they checked on each others children.
I don't know of any other statements where it say's they did.
I only go off the statements in the PJ files.
Where is the evidence they didn't check on each other's children.

by crusader 11.08.24 17:45

This is the sort of thing they said in their statements, this is from Jane Tanner's rogatory.

Reply    “Yeah, the same as, yeah the same as, the same as before. I can’t remember who checked when or, you know, I can’t remember when, you know whether it was me or Russell or whoever went back at that point. I don’t, I’m trying to think if by that point we were checking on each other’s…”

4078    “That was part of my next question.”
Reply    “Oh right. Err I mean I didn’t personally, I think, I mean I’ll tell you when I went back I just tended to check on bars and I listened at Matt and Rachael’s, you know at some point we listened at Matt and Rachael’s window and down there but err no I can’t remember, but by that stage I think we were listening but we didn’t, I don’t know whether people actually went in to, to be honest nobody, if we hadn’t gone nobody could have gone in to ours because they’d need the key so when people did check ours they did, they did just listen, so.”

by Amy Dean 11.08.24 17:53

She seems to be away with the fairies.

What are the bars that she tended to check on?

by AnneCGuedes 11.08.24 18:41

crusader wrote:This is the sort of thing they said in their statements, this is from Jane Tanner's rogatory.

Reply    “Yeah, the same as, yeah the same as, the same as before. I can’t remember who checked when or, you know, I can’t remember when, you know whether it was me or Russell or whoever went back at that point. I don’t, I’m trying to think if by that point we were checking on each other’s…”

4078    “That was part of my next question.”
Reply    “Oh right. Err I mean I didn’t personally, I think, I mean I’ll tell you when I went back I just tended to check on bars and I listened at Matt and Rachael’s, you know at some point we listened at Matt and Rachael’s window and down there but err no I can’t remember, but by that stage I think we were listening but we didn’t, I don’t know whether people actually went in to, to be honest nobody, if we hadn’t gone nobody could have gone in to ours because they’d need the key so when people did check ours they did, they did just listen, so.”

This is a rogatory interview in April 2008 (not in the PJFiles), not a statement at the PJ in May 2007. You better read the statements of the group, Crusader, the media did not.

by crusader 11.08.24 18:49

Ok, so the rogatory statements that are included in the PJ files don't count, only the ones taken by the PJ in Portugal?
Got you.

by crusader 11.08.24 19:23

From Gerry's 10th May PJ statement.

On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that DP also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day he and KATE had already left the rear door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their colleagues to check on the children.

by crusader 11.08.24 19:43

From Jane Tanners 10th May statement.

[size=30]eanwhile, MO went to check his children and those of GM and KH. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see MBM probably because he did not enter the bedroom. As he heard no noise he left presupposing that all was well, returning to the restaurant. MO told her that ROB had stayed in the bedroom.[/size]

by crusader 11.08.24 19:50

Mathew Oldfield 10th May statement.

[size=30]Benefiting from meeting them next to the residences, he adds that, on his own initiative, he made a 'listening check' at the bedroom window of MBM and the twins at 21h05. That he limited himself to approach the bedroom window on the outside of the apartment to check if the children were crying or awake.[/size]
[size=30]He adds to have not heard any noise nor perceived anything out of the ordinary. He went on to do the same check at the bedroom windows of his daughter and ROB's daughters.[/size]

[size=30]Rachel Oldfield 11th May statement[/size]

[size=30][size=30]At that point, presumably, she cannot be sure, if her husband MATHEW or RUSSEL volunteered to go to see KATE's children, and she them that they would have to enter by the back door, which was unlocked. RUSSEL and MATHEW left at the same time. About five minutes later, MATHEW returned saying that the children were all well,[/size]
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by AnneCGuedes 12.08.24 0:16

crusader wrote:Ok, so the rogatory statements that are included in the PJ files don't count, only the ones taken by the PJ in Portugal?
Got you.

You got nothing, Crusader. The rogatory are not statements but interviews (the witnesses answered questions). Besides, if you had read the PJFiles, you would know that the rogatory interviews of the group are not included in the PJFiles.
I tend to believe the very clear statements the group made about parents only checking on their own children.

by AnneCGuedes 12.08.24 0:18

crusader wrote:From Gerry's 10th May PJ statement.

On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that DP also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day he and KATE had already left the rear door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their colleagues to check on the children.

This is a lie, it was denied by DP.

by AnneCGuedes 12.08.24 0:21

crusader wrote:From Jane Tanners 10th May statement.

[size=30]eanwhile, MO went to check his children and those of GM and KH. According to what he said, he saw the twins but he did not see MBM probably because he did not enter the bedroom. As he heard no noise he left presupposing that all was well, returning to the restaurant. MO told her that ROB had stayed in the bedroom.[/size]

Do you believe that ? He never did check those kids but suddenly when M is about to be declared missing, he enters the flat... but doesn't know whether she was there or not.

by Paddingtom 12.08.24 7:13

AnneCGuedes wrote:
The "friends" were NOT checking on each other's children, that's a media invention. Had they been friends, they likely would have done that, but they were only acqaintances (except for the Paynes), the kids hardly knew them.

As a fairly new recruit to this story Im still learning. Ive tried to find answers to questions as I go along but so far I have been unable to answer "What with all the doctors" . Obviously the tapas lot are mostly doctors although only Mccanns and Paynes are friends, rest are acquaintances. Then weve got Totman, a doctor and I vaguely remeber hearing about some othe doctors, although dont quote me on that.
Its like a doctors convention.
Do we know why we sent so many doctors to PdL?

by crusader 12.08.24 8:13

I'm not saying I believe anything that the McCann's or their friends have said in any statement, but there they are and they are all we have.
As for reading the statements, it happens to be one of things I do most.

by crusader 12.08.24 8:49

AnneCGuedes wrote:
crusader wrote:From Gerry's 10th May PJ statement.

On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that DP also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day he and KATE had already left the rear door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their colleagues to check on the children.

This is a lie, it was denied by DP.

Please can you show where D Payne denied what Gerry said in his 10th may statement is a lie, I must have missed that.

by crusader 12.08.24 8:59

Got it,
[size=30]In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.[/size]

[size=30]It's not contradicting Gerry because he said that on the 4th May, [/size][size=30]Gerry's statement was made on the 10th.[/size]

[size=30]In my opinion, that is not a denial.[/size]

by AnneCGuedes 12.08.24 11:42

crusader wrote:
AnneCGuedes wrote:
crusader wrote:From Gerry's 10th May PJ statement.

On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that DP also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day he and KATE had already left the rear door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their colleagues to check on the children.

This is a lie, it was denied by DP.

Please can you show where D Payne denied what Gerry said in his 10th may statement is a lie, I must have missed that.

I didn't say that DP said it was a lie. I said that G lied, because DP stated this on May 4th :
"the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments because he has an "intercom" and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep."

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE.htm

by crusader 12.08.24 12:27

There is no need to direct me to the PJ files, it's where I get my information from, see my post's above.

You are saying Gerry Lied, although at that point, 10th May, Gerry could only have known what D Payne said in his statement if he, D Payne had told him, therefore Gerry deliberately telling a lie in his 10th May statement.
If Gerry didn't know what D Payne had said in his 4th May statement, (I doubt that), why would that point be so important?
Is it a lie by Gerry, or a contradiction for some reason.

by **Jill Havern** 15.08.24 4:10

by pinkgladioli 15.08.24 7:43

Happy as you know it - is it possible the song choice being chosen “Happy as you know it” could have been used to check that if sedatives were used they were working?

by Cake Lover 15.08.24 8:04

Are you thinking that the clapping has to be co-ordinated with the song, and that if the children started to lose the rhythm, it would demonstrate more clearly that they were becoming drowsy?

by pinkgladioli 15.08.24 8:33

Hi yes, you’ve described it better what I was trying to say, one thing is for sure KM looked extremely uncomfortable when she talks about it in the video clip, now it could be because she knows the true reason for the singing of the song or it could be because she knew she was fabricating the event

by Cake Lover 15.08.24 8:51

It would be good method of checking the sedation, imo.

by pinkgladioli 15.08.24 9:41

Yes I agree my opinion too!

by Cake Lover 15.08.24 9:47

It's also quite sinister.

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