Why did the Tapas seven help the MCcann's to achieve a staged abduction?
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Why did the Tapas seven help the MCcann's to achieve a staged abduction?
I have spent years researching the MCcann case and have come to the same conclusion that most do who research for any length of time that she died in the apartment and an abduction was staged . All evidence points to this .
However I believe and as do many other researchers that Neglect is simply the Mccann's alibi and that there was no real neglect during the Holiday and that it was used as the lesser of two evils as shown by the way the MCcanns actively promote their supposed neglect of their children where you'd think in normal circumstances they'd be too embarrassed to admit this . Without neglect there could be no staged abduction .
However this leads me to some obvious questions
. Why on earth would the other members of the Group agree to lie for them and pretend they neglected their children to ? to me this doesn't make any sense . What reason for example do the Oldfields have to pretend they neglected their children too when all evidence suggests there was no neglect ?
This is the thing that confuses me most about the case , Why were the other members of the Tapas nine so keen to help and go along with the abduction theory . Any sensible person would simply tell the Mccann's to own their mistake but they helped them whilst putting themselves in danger of possible jail time ?
anyone who can help me with this and thinks they know why the Tapas seven agreed to help them , I would be very grateful , Did they have something to hide to ?
Many thanks .
However I believe and as do many other researchers that Neglect is simply the Mccann's alibi and that there was no real neglect during the Holiday and that it was used as the lesser of two evils as shown by the way the MCcanns actively promote their supposed neglect of their children where you'd think in normal circumstances they'd be too embarrassed to admit this . Without neglect there could be no staged abduction .
However this leads me to some obvious questions
. Why on earth would the other members of the Group agree to lie for them and pretend they neglected their children to ? to me this doesn't make any sense . What reason for example do the Oldfields have to pretend they neglected their children too when all evidence suggests there was no neglect ?
This is the thing that confuses me most about the case , Why were the other members of the Tapas nine so keen to help and go along with the abduction theory . Any sensible person would simply tell the Mccann's to own their mistake but they helped them whilst putting themselves in danger of possible jail time ?
anyone who can help me with this and thinks they know why the Tapas seven agreed to help them , I would be very grateful , Did they have something to hide to ?
Many thanks .
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Essentially , Why do we believe the Tapas seven agreed to help them cover it up ?
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Having also followed the case for many a year, every twist and turn, every false lead, every minute detail, I can only conclude the group of friends and acquaintances were directly involved with the mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
When considering the enormity of the apparent cover-up, from the very top of the UK establishment, down through the ranks of stardom, the sporting world, the medical profession, the media, the police, right down to the man on the street - the crime must be of the worse kind imaginable.
Now what could that be?
Well, there are not that many crimes that warrant the level of protection and attract the support of such a broad spectrum of society.
The McCanns themselves introduced the abduction by paedophile angle. Indeed so intense was their conviction, they openly encouraged leading authorities and the public to follow their line of thought. Who can then fault the public for questioning?
Now why would that be?
It could of course be a diversionary tactic but conversely it could be the ultimate defence strategy should a body, or the remains of a body, ever be located. Whatever the fate of little Madeleine McCann, it's clear that her fate and her final resting place must never be known. There is no such thing as the perfect crime, precautionary measures are paramount when drawing the long term abduction by paedophile blueprint.
What does that tell you?
Nothing definitive but when you factor in all the indirect indications, the people throughout society who have been directly or loosely involved on the periphery - the extent of the cover-up/protection, the pieces all start to fit together to complete the puzzle.
Who would willingly support, or play a part, in such a heinous crime as child abuse - unless involved in some way?
Never forget. The McCanns themselves introduced the paedophile aspect with no evidence to support the theory.
Now why would that be?
When considering the enormity of the apparent cover-up, from the very top of the UK establishment, down through the ranks of stardom, the sporting world, the medical profession, the media, the police, right down to the man on the street - the crime must be of the worse kind imaginable.
Now what could that be?
Well, there are not that many crimes that warrant the level of protection and attract the support of such a broad spectrum of society.
The McCanns themselves introduced the abduction by paedophile angle. Indeed so intense was their conviction, they openly encouraged leading authorities and the public to follow their line of thought. Who can then fault the public for questioning?
Now why would that be?
It could of course be a diversionary tactic but conversely it could be the ultimate defence strategy should a body, or the remains of a body, ever be located. Whatever the fate of little Madeleine McCann, it's clear that her fate and her final resting place must never be known. There is no such thing as the perfect crime, precautionary measures are paramount when drawing the long term abduction by paedophile blueprint.
What does that tell you?
Nothing definitive but when you factor in all the indirect indications, the people throughout society who have been directly or loosely involved on the periphery - the extent of the cover-up/protection, the pieces all start to fit together to complete the puzzle.
Who would willingly support, or play a part, in such a heinous crime as child abuse - unless involved in some way?
Never forget. The McCanns themselves introduced the paedophile aspect with no evidence to support the theory.
Now why would that be?
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Re: Why did the Tapas seven help the MCcann's to achieve a staged abduction?
VerdiHaving also followed the case for many a year, every twist and turn, every false lead, every minute detail, I can only conclude the group of friends and acquaintances were directly involved with the mystery of Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
When considering the enormity of the apparent cover-up, from the very top of the UK establishment, down through the ranks of stardom, the sporting world, the medical profession, the media, the police, right down to the man on the street - the crime must be of the worse kind imaginable.
Now what could that be?
Well, there are not that many crimes that warrant the level of protection and attract the support of such a broad spectrum of society.
The McCanns themselves introduced the abduction by paedophile angle. Indeed so intense was their conviction, they openly encouraged leading authorities and the public to follow their line of thought. Who can then fault the public for questioning?
Now why would that be?
It could of course be a diversionary tactic but conversely it could be the ultimate defence strategy should a body, or the remains of a body, ever be located. Whatever the fate of little Madeleine McCann, it's clear that her fate and her final resting place must never be known. There is no such thing as the perfect crime, precautionary measures are paramount when drawing the long term abduction by paedophile blueprint.
What does that tell you?
Nothing definitive but when you factor in all the indirect indications, the people throughout society who have been directly or loosely involved on the periphery - the extent of the cover-up/protection, the pieces all start to fit together to complete the puzzle.
Who would willingly support, or play a part, in such a heinous crime as child abuse - unless involved in some way?
Never forget. The McCanns themselves introduced the paedophile aspect with no evidence to support the theory.
Now why would that be?
Remember also kate introduced the M word when she said:
“They want me to lie – I’m being framed.
Police don’t want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they’re blaming us.”
Why would she introduce the word MURDER when given what they alleged happened, the expected word would be ABDUCTION.
Also, how could they be framed if Maddie was still alive and in the clutches of a paedophile as claimed by the mccanns?
In order for them to be framed there would have to be evidence that Maddie is dead.
We know there is not one atom of evidence to indicate that Maddie was alive when allegedly abducted by paedophile abductor apart from the words of the mccanns principally and secondly that of the tapas 7.
We do know there is forensic evidence that points to a dead body having been present in apartment 5a at some point coincidentally the same apartment from which a 3, nearly 4 year old little girl was abducted and that at no time has there ever been a record of someone having died in said apartment from the day it was built until the mccanns had their vacation.
We also know there was forensic evidence pointing to a dead body having been in the hire car they used.
Again no record of a corpse having been in said vehicle prior to the mccanns hiring it, and people would tend to notice a corpse traveling in said vehicle especially if it was doing the driving.
Blood and body fluids were found in the apartment and in the hire car.
Despite the claims the blood in the apartment was initially denied and then explained away as Maddie having nose bleeds or from her grazed knee on boarding the plane to mosquitoes being squashed on the wall, and that the DNA in the car was from dirty diapers, rotting meat and fish, sweaty sandals and also it could have come from anyone who had ever been in the vehicle as there was a 15/19 markers matching.
The impression being it was not Maddie and omitting to explain the missing 4 markers which were too degraded at the time to identify, although with advances in forensic science today, it is possible the damaged markers could be identified to give a conclusive match.
In the UK they could have been arrested and questioned and charges with it being a 12/15 match (i think) in Portugal however it has to be a 15/15 match so the mccanns were bloody lucky and escaped by the skin of their teeth.
Assuming the body fluids were shown to have come from Maddie and not the excuses given, the mccanns would have to explain how Maddie's DNA got in the car, this would be where they throw each other under the bus.
“They want me to lie – I’m being framed.
If kate continued to claim she was being framed, who is doing the framing?
Could she be blaming the police or, could she be blaming gerry and possibly one or more of the tapas 7?
Also, by claiming she was being framed and assuming it turns out to be a full match to Maddie, how did the police get Maddie's blood and body fluids to plant in the apartment and hire car?
To get such samples, they would have to have found Maddie's body and obtained the samples from it.
If they had found Maddie's body and obtained the samples, that would be conclusive proof that Maddie was dead and her remains found and it would be all over the news and also an end to the mccanns claiming she was still alive and also an end to the fund set up supposedly to find her but which is instead supporting the mccanns.
By saying what she did, she introduces the word MURDER where the expected would be abduction which rules out an accidental death such as overdose or doped up to the eyeballs , woke, climbed on the sofa and fell off and died.
Murder is premeditated even if only a few seconds before it happened,
Given also the claims she was abducted by a paedophile with all resulting physical connotations that we know paedophiles do to their young victims, was this used to explain away any injuries found on Maddie's corpse if her remains were found within a shortage period of time after the alleged abduction and in a good enough condition to reveal the injuries?
Where there were signs of sexual abuse on her body this would have been blamed on the mysterious paedophile abductor.
This tells me that Maddie had been sexually abused before her disappearance which is why they made the claim about the abductor.
Any injuries could be blamed on him.
The problem they have is, that there were no signs of anyone breaking into the apartment smashing doors etc as per the initial calls to family.
There were no signs of any strangers being in the apartment full stop, no fingerprints, no hairs or fibers, or footprints or ear prints or any body fluids from a stranger.
The one stain found on the bed by the window was initially described as semen miraculously morphed into saliva belonging to a 2 year old boy.
The other problem they have was if Maddie's remains had be found rapidly and before there had been any serious decomposition and there were signs indicating injuries that could not be blamed on the mysterious abductor as they were older than the time it had taken to find her.
How to explain those away, especially if it included sexual abuse?
A quick race to throw someone under the bus.
Maddie, despite her coloboma, first distinctive as shown in the photos and loudly described as an easy and obvious way to identify her and used in various appeals and posters and interviews which then morphed into a faint mark, a fleck, barely noticeable even as described by kate in an interview with Piers Morgan when kate was promoting her book
MORGAN: Madeleine had a very distinctive eye pattern, didn't she? Tell me about that, Kate, in case people see somebody they think may be Madeleine. Tell me about her eye.
K. MCCANN: If I'm honest, we haven't put too much emphasis on her eye, because I think you have to be very close to her to see it. But her eyes are slightly different colors, and one of them has this brown fleck in it. But you do notice, particularly on photographs, but --
MORGAN: Slightly distinctive eye colors and a little fleck.
MORGAN: And do you know if that would be still there if she's now eight years old?
G. MCCANN: Certainly believe it wouldn't have changed. I think there's been a pattern to be still there. That it's -- the technical term is coloboma, where there's a defect in the iris. I don't think it is actually. I think it's actually an additional bit of color. She certainly had no visual problems.
Maddie also it seems was healthy since she hadn't had to see her GP apart from routine vaccinations.
I wonder if the mccanns were self medicating their children, especially given the fact that they initially denied the children had been sedated explaining the fact the twins didn't wake up during the ruckus caused by adults crashing around the apartment was because they were deep sleepers which then later changed to the abductor sedating the twins?
Also given the fact that Maddie had allegedly been abduction by a stranger paedophile and the twins were unresponsive to the extent it was noticed that kate was placing her fingers under the noses of the twins to check they were still breathing, why did they not insist the twins be taken to hospital for a check up?
The twins were effectively unconscious, how were the mccanns supposed to know what they had been given or if they too had been molested or injured in some way?
Even though they and other members were doctors, they did not have the knowledge or equipment to do blood tests, normal parental instinct alone would have had them demand the twins be checked over.
That they didn't tells me they knew what the twins had been given and the dosage.
Given the mccanns were doctors they would have had the knowledge and even the means to treat injuries themselves.
It would be hard to explain away old injuries, IE injuries that occurred before that fateful vacation, as examples i am talking about fractures, bruising, cuts, drugs showing in her bloodstream or in her hair indicating perhaps long term sedation, especially as Maddie could be described as boisterous, demanding, prone to temper tantrums and, with kate unable to cope (hence the family flying down to help) sedating the children regularly to get them sleeping and kate then able to manage.
Kate did seem to be fixated on their sleep.
Evidence of long term drugs in the children's hair would point the finger of guilt straight at the mccanns.
it would mean loss of the children, their jobs, their license to practice their friends, their status as doctors, court cases and jail time.
They had to make Maddie vanish, allegedly abducted to prevent an autopsy.
Had it been an accidental death they would have called 911 or the Portuguese equivalent.
They could have claimed they checked the children once they got back and all 3 were sleeping , not knowing that Maddie had perhaps found some medication and eaten it thinking it was candy and died in her bed, then mccanns only learning when they went to wake her up in the morning.
They could have claimed accidental death of her doing the above but when the mccanns woke up she lay dead behind the sofa.
They could even have claimed they got into a fight and when one of them, tipsy or even drunk, went to lash out at the other one they hit Maddie instead. It could even have explained the bruises on kate's wrists and upper arm, bruises that look like finger prints and restraint marks, not caused by kate hitting walls and rails as claimed.
Whatever killed Maddie, or rather whoever killed Maddie, it could not have been explained away as an accident.
The manner of death?
Old injuries now healed, perhaps worthy of a hospital visit but no record of Maddie ever having been to ER?
Recent injuries not healed but prior to the vacation.
Physical signs of sexual abuse?
Perhaps frequent UTI's?
Something in her medical notes that meant they were sealed and not released to the PJ
Whatever it was, they could not allow an autopsy to take place.
There would have been physical evidence that could not be explained away.
Given kate's feeling regarding Maddie as revealed in statements, interviews and her book, Kate appeared to have a problem bonding with Maddie.
When the twins arrived, Maddie was described by family as a threat to them.
By all accounts, it seems that Maddie spent the twins first Christmas with her grandparents.
Kate appeared to have issues dealing with the 3 children to the extent that family flew down regularly to help out.
Kate also managed to rope in one of the nursery staff to help her at home with bathing etc.
It almost reads as everyone was afraid to leave kate alone with the 3 children for any length of time.
Kate only seemed to relax once they were sleeping in bed.
Could it be that they were given a little something to make them sleepy both at home and on this vacation?
Since the children were all being babysat by the missing adult tapas 7 member, the excuse used to explain away their absence being either they or one of the children was sick. (I love the fact that this illness was selective and only targeted one person as a time during that week.) were all the children sedated nightly to make the babysitting easier on whoever was babysitting?
It would certainly make it a lot easier as no horde of screaming and crying children demanding to see mom/want a drink/nightmare/too hot/too cold or whatever especially if one starts crying they will all join in,
Could this be the tie that is keeping the tapas 7 onside?
Was it for some other reason, perhaps ensuring compliance,passivity?
Whatever the reason, the manner of death, the who, the when, the how, the where and the why, kate saw it as murder and all that the word entails.
Kate has also , i think, leaked where Maddie is (or was), on a hill overlooking PDL
She called Ricardo Paiva the Family Liaison Officer to the McCann family whilst gerry was away in Washington
Although it was explained away as a dream/nightmare and it was enough of a concern (read threat) that gerry on his return stated on the steps outside the court that:
"I would like to make it absolutely clear that Kate has never had a dream that Madeleine was buried somewhere. And, I don't know if something has been lost in translation, but that didn't happen."
What was so sensitive, so incriminating that gerry claimed his wife did not dream?
How would he know if kate dreamed or not?
How would he know what she dreamed of?
Never does not mean Did not/didn't
And at the beginning of a sentence reveals there is missing information.
Reading the first sentence, those 20 words , it comes across as him being domineering, controlling.
It sounds as if kate must do as she is told, must tell him about her dreams and everything else.
reading that statement and seeing the big bruises on kate;s wrists and upper arm, could DV be playing a role in the family dynamics?
Could they be restraint bruises caused by pulling her away from something she is doing or did?
Could they be from restraining her during a fight?
Could they be from something else?
It seemed that whilst gerry was away and kate was not being controlled by him, she wanted to talk, to confess what happened, hence the phone call?
The guilt and the stress is writ large across her face, she would be so much happier if she could talk to someone, to ease the guilt and the stress of keeping this dirty secret silent for 12 years.
She looks now what she should have looked then if it had been a genuine abduction.
They would not have refused to cooperate with the police, they would not have sued anyone who disagreed with their version of events, they would have forced the tapas 7 to take part in the reconstruction.
What was done to Maddie that has resulted in the police farce called Operation Grange, who have point blank refused to question the mccanns or any member of the tapas 7?
The UK police are restricted to investigating the crime as if it had occurred in the UK.
The UK police are investigating a non existent crime and ignoring all the evidence that points to parental involvement and the death of Maddie, ignoring all the forensic evidence that, in any other crime not involving the mccanns, would have resulted in arrests and prosecution.
Kate called it murder, i believe her
“They want me to lie – I’m being framed.
Police don’t want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they’re blaming us.”
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Re: Why did the Tapas seven help the MCcann's to achieve a staged abduction?
Why . . .?
One possible answer may be found in the Gary Hagland Thread
Extract from his book attached
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IN a week when TWO potential Prime Minsters have admitted to using Cocaine in one instance, and Marijuana in the second instance
a bit of recreational Cocaine on holiday amongst the group might not be seen as too serious.
But that was 2007, not 2019 and attitudes either change, or people become so dulled by the endless revelations that the Great and Good are no such thing, that we all revise our expectations downwards.
I am still unable to work out, why, if it were not true, would Hagland have invented this particular and very specific allegation.
We note that Kennedy withdrew financial support shortly after the date of this alleged disclosure. We do not know the reasons.
The GMC still has Victorian attitudes –
"The approach taken by the GMC to a doctor’s personal illicit drug use (or drug addiction) is generally similar to that taken towards doctors who have an alcohol dependency, where a doctor has a significant drug dependency (classifiable under ICD10). If however the drug use by the doctor has been for recreational purposes, on a few occasions, without there being a recognised drug dependency, for example a doctor’s recreational use of cocaine in their social circles, the doctor is likely to be dealt with by way of GMC misconduct proceedings. The GMC will often move to suspend doctors on an interim basis where there is a risk to patients or to the doctor. Doctors may be suspended for many years until they can demonstrate that they are abstinent for a long period."
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One possible answer may be found in the Gary Hagland Thread
Extract from his book attached
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IN a week when TWO potential Prime Minsters have admitted to using Cocaine in one instance, and Marijuana in the second instance
a bit of recreational Cocaine on holiday amongst the group might not be seen as too serious.
But that was 2007, not 2019 and attitudes either change, or people become so dulled by the endless revelations that the Great and Good are no such thing, that we all revise our expectations downwards.
I am still unable to work out, why, if it were not true, would Hagland have invented this particular and very specific allegation.
We note that Kennedy withdrew financial support shortly after the date of this alleged disclosure. We do not know the reasons.
The GMC still has Victorian attitudes –
"The approach taken by the GMC to a doctor’s personal illicit drug use (or drug addiction) is generally similar to that taken towards doctors who have an alcohol dependency, where a doctor has a significant drug dependency (classifiable under ICD10). If however the drug use by the doctor has been for recreational purposes, on a few occasions, without there being a recognised drug dependency, for example a doctor’s recreational use of cocaine in their social circles, the doctor is likely to be dealt with by way of GMC misconduct proceedings. The GMC will often move to suspend doctors on an interim basis where there is a risk to patients or to the doctor. Doctors may be suspended for many years until they can demonstrate that they are abstinent for a long period."
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Some causes of dilated pupils
Some causes of dilated pupils
Drug Use
Dilated pupils are one sign that someone has used illegal drugs, such as:- Cocaine
- Amphetamines
- LSD
- Ecstasy
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I've said many times in the past that any drug being used during that holiday could well be cocaine or something similar. Why mess around with Calpol when you've got the real deal?
It was and most likely still is, quite fashionable within the circle of 30'something professionals to use drugs socially.
Apart from anything else, it induces a sense of gay (in the true sense of the word) abandon. Something boring like sexual restraint goes right out the window (open/shut, locked/unlocked) - anything goes.
In Roman times such frolics were called 'orgies'.
It was and most likely still is, quite fashionable within the circle of 30'something professionals to use drugs socially.
Apart from anything else, it induces a sense of gay (in the true sense of the word) abandon. Something boring like sexual restraint goes right out the window (open/shut, locked/unlocked) - anything goes.
In Roman times such frolics were called 'orgies'.
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