Celtic Boys Club: Allegations of Abuse

Jill Havern wrote:

nglfi wrote:Has Gerry ever admitted to having been the doctor at Celtic? Just wondering how we know he was. I've tried googling but it seems Celtic don't want this particular fact publicised for some reason.

The only reference in the book is
The identity must be a matter of public record.

"It was an ex-colleague of Gerry’s in Glasgow who had suggested the Beckham appeal. Gerry’s ex-boss, who was the Scotland football team doctor, spoke to Sir Alex Ferguson on our behalf,"

Stewart Hillis.

Has this thread seriously flourished from a tabloid report about Gerry McCann's alleged association with Celtic football club?  Seems to me that someone was trying desperately hard to establish a link between McCann and the Celtic Boys Club child abuse scandal.

Not very nice is it?

This alleged association with Celtic has never been mentioned otherwise (aside from social media) as far as I'm aware - correct me if I'm wrong.  The seedy News of the World report states that Gerry McCann carried out medicals on new club recruits whilst working at Glasgow University, well who knows, maybe he did in some sort of unofficial capacity but it's hardly a reason to suggest he may have been embroiled in the sex abuse cases involving members of the Celtic Boys Club.

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lots of things are "Not very nice is it?" Does not mean it didn't happen.  Like peterfiles hiding behind sa charities.?  

If there is any evidence to support the theory then fill yer boots.

If there isn't any evidence to support the theory then it's pure invention - buying the suit to match the tie.

I wouldn't like to know someone was trying to find dirt on me for any reason. Stick to the evidence and stop trying to find stuff to fit the state of mind and filling in the detail with invention.

It's not very nice!

Verdi wrote:If there is any evidence to support the theory then fill yer boots.

If there isn't any evidence to support the theory then it's pure invention - buying the suit to match the tie.

I wouldn't like to know someone was trying to find dirt on me for any reason. Stick to the evidence and stop trying to find stuff to fit the state of mind and filling in the detail with invention.

It's not very nice!

Hi Verdi,I understand your point about making reference to someone who has been proposed to have worked for an Organisation or Football club without evidence or proof.

Yet the whole of the UK football Organisation have been very quiet about the nefarious person's who have now been found guilty of Sexual Abuse to minors,you know the"Professional elements" within the game,just like when they were caught "Bed hopping" with FA personell,who then lost her case for "Unfair Dismissal" by the Old Boys network of Judges,wink,wink?

They have so far managed to "Cover Up" for decades Sexual abuse as just a singular Rogue element,but now it has a different aspect emerging where some big football clubs have been involved going back decades!

Verdi wrote:The seedy News of the World report states that Gerry McCann carried out medicals on new club recruits whilst working at Glasgow University, well who knows, maybe he did in some sort of unofficial capacity but it's hardly a reason to suggest he may have been embroiled in the sex abuse cases involving members of the Celtic Boys Club.

This was an interview given by well known former Celtic and Scotland physio Brian Scott who was praising a former workmate who appeared at the time to have had his daughter snatched.
Interesting slant from you nontheless.

the more sunlight that can be brought to bear on this the better

glenda wrote:

Verdi wrote:The seedy News of the World report states that Gerry McCann carried out medicals on new club recruits whilst working at Glasgow University, well who knows, maybe he did in some sort of unofficial capacity but it's hardly a reason to suggest he may have been embroiled in the sex abuse cases involving members of the Celtic Boys Club.

This was an interview given by well known former Celtic and Scotland physio Brian Scott who was praising a former workmate who appeared at the time to have had his daughter snatched.
Interesting slant from you nontheless.

A believable report/interview churned out by the salacious dial M for Murdoch News Of the World?  Well there's a novelty.

OK fair enough.  You provide the evidence and I might start listening !  

NB:  Tabloid accounts do not qualify as evidence.

Another one down.
Gerald King Celtic Boys Club guilty today.

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Frank Cairney Celtic Boys Club supremo guilty of abusing boys
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You might have to change the title again soon as next up is Jim McCafferty who was the first team kit man until 1996.
He has aleady been convicted for crimes in Northern Ireland but is waiting trial for child abuse during his time at Celtic ,nothing to do with the boys club.
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We also have John Cullen Celtic club photographer for over 20 years aleady convicted.
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Maybe a more appropriate title would be:
Celtic F.C. a paedophile ring , the story so far.

The story so far.

John Cullen
On the 25th May 2004 at Glasgow Sheriff Court Celtic official photographer John Cullen admitted taking pictures of nude and semi-naked children as young as ten after cleaners had found in excess of 250 images in his store room at Celtic Park. The perverts’ photographs had been there for more than 20 years. He admitted inviting the children to a house in Glasgow between January and December 1982 before getting them to pose for the camera. He pled guilty to a charge of lewd and libidinous behaviour. He had been employed by Celtic for 30 years.
 
Neil Strachan
On 7th May 2009 at The High Court in Edinburgh Neil Strachan, coach and secretary at Celtic East Boys Club was jailed for life having been found guilty of plotting with others to abuse children. He was convicted of attempting to rape an 18-month-old boy and assaulting a six-year-old. During what one newspaper described as "Scotland's worst child sex abuse trial" the jury hear lurid tales of tens of thousands of indecent images, the rape of children, bestiality and sadism.
In an email message shown in court Strachan wrote to an accomplice "I might have found us a contact with two boys, two and four, willing to share." In another message he has described "having fun with boys aged six and 18 months".
Strachan had previously been found guilty in 1997 of repeatedly sexually abusing a boy of 5 and was on the sex offenders register at the time of his crimes.

Jim McCafferty
On August 13th 2018 at Belfast Crown Court former Celtic Youth coach and kitman Jim McCafferty was sentenced to three years and nine months after admitting eight counts of sexual assault. The offences took place from December 2012 to December 2015 his victim was between 14 and 16. He will remain on the sex offenders register for an indefinite period and has been banned from working with children in any capacity.
Additionally, documents filed at Livingston Sheriff Court allege young boys aged between just 12 and 15 years old were victims of indecent assault and lewd, indecent and libidinous practices at the hands of the Celtic official. Many of the offences are alleged to have been committed in the Celtic Park dressing room.
He is also charged with sexually abusing children during football tours in Germany and Austria whilst he was at Celtic. McCafferty is accused of molesting 18 children whilst employed at Celtic Park between the 1970’s and 1990’s. Further charges include assaulting and attempted to s0d0mise one of the boys and wilfully ill-treating, neglecting or abandoning a child in his care or exposing him in a manner likely to cause him unnecessary suffering or injury to health.



 

5th November 2018 at the High Court in Glasgow, James Torbet the founder and former Chairman of Celtic F.C.'s youth wing Celtic Boys Club was jailed for six years after being convicted of sexually abusing three boys over an eight-year period. Two victims had been in Celtic's under-14s football teams, while the third was abused by Torbett at the age of five.
Torbett had previously been jailed for two years in 1998 for abusing three young Celtic players, including former Scotland international Alan Brazil, between 1967 and 1974. It was at the original trial that it was revealed that Celtic Manager Jock Stein knew of Torbett's sick crimes and failed to call the police – leaving Torbett free to commit further crimes against children. Court transcripts show that Stein instructed Celtic officials to cover up Torbett's paedophile activities.



Gerald King
On 6th December 2018 at Glasgow Sheriff Court former Celtic youth coach and Chairman Gerald King was convicted of sexually abusing five children. He was found guilty of five charges of using lewd and libidinous practises towards the five victims between August 1984 and April 1989. He was also found guilty of taking indecent pictures of children at Celtic's training ground Barrowfield in February 1987. King's victims were aged between nine and 13 at the time of the abuse
King worked at Celtic paedophile James Torbett’s company the Trophy Centre. Also employed at the Trophy Centre were Celtic Directors Kevin Kelly and Jack McGinn.

Frank Cairney
On 14th December 2018 at Hamilton Sheriff Courtmanager of Celtic's under-16 side Frank Cairney was found guilty of nine charges of sexually abusing young footballers. During the trial it was revealed that Cairney was a friend of Celtic Manager Jock Stein and adopted training methods dubbed “the Celtic way”. Cairney told the court Stein had asked him to run the Celtic youth department and admitted to being on the payroll of the football club.
Victims aged between 12 and 17 told of abuse in Cairney's car, within the Celtic Park dressing room and at Celtic's Barrowfield training ground. He was convicted of lewd, indecent and libidinous behaviour against two 12-year-old boys between December 1965 and December 1968 in Lanarkshire.
Cairney was placed on the sex offenders register and will be sentenced in January 2019.
In 1998 Cairney stood trial accused of similar charges whilst he ran the Celtic youth set-up. The trial collapsed due to traumatised witnesses failure to give evidence.
Suggestions that dozens more victims of the 6th Celtic paedophile Cairney are now ready to come forward with more allegations persist.

Glenda wrote:In an email message shown in court Strachan wrote to an accomplice "I might have found us a contact with two boys, two and four, willing to share." In another message he has described "having fun with boys aged six and 18 months".

That's the interesting bit given some of the photographs that we have seen, including the Lolita photograph. Add to that Gerry's comment " I am here to f*****g enjoy myself". Then consider their friendship with Clement Freud. Exactly why was Gerry there? And why would he allow those suggestive pics of his nearly 4 year old daughter?

sharonl wrote:

Glenda wrote:In an email message shown in court Strachan wrote to an accomplice "I might have found us a contact with two boys, two and four, willing to share." In another message he has described "having fun with boys aged six and 18 months".

That's the interesting bit given some of the photographs that we have seen, including the Lolita photograph.  Add to that Gerry's comment " I am not here to f*****g enjoy myself".  Then consider their friendship with Clement Freud.  Exactly why was Gerry there? And why would he allow those suggestive pics of his nearly 4 year old daughter?  

Indeed, Cullen,Strachan and King were into photos.

For the record didn't Gerry say "I am not here to f*****g enjoy myself ?

glenda wrote:

sharonl wrote:

Glenda wrote:In an email message shown in court Strachan wrote to an accomplice "I might have found us a contact with two boys, two and four, willing to share." In another message he has described "having fun with boys aged six and 18 months".

That's the interesting bit given some of the photographs that we have seen, including the Lolita photograph.  Add to that Gerry's comment " I am not here to f*****g enjoy myself".  Then consider their friendship with Clement Freud.  Exactly why was Gerry there? And why would he allow those suggestive pics of his nearly 4 year old daughter?  

Indeed, Cullen,Strachan and King were into photos.

For the record didn't Gerry say "I am not here to f*****g enjoy myself ?

Typo - sorry

I wonder where Brian Kennedy, Phillip Green  & Everton FC might just fit in here.

sharonl wrote:I wonder where Brian Kennedy, Phillip Green  & Everton FC might just fit in here.

I  can only hope Everton Football Club is not affiliated to child abuse allegations?

A "Well known"Former Player stood trail on charges involving Adolescents,child Social Care Work,the judge was apparently lenient in his defamation summing up of the case?

One of the former owners of the club has connections to a variety of stars,One of whom Mr Bennett has fought tenaciously for the Lubbock family for years now.

glenda wrote:For the record didn't Gerry say "I am not here to f*****g enjoy myself ?

I've studied Gerry's little speech on the bus video very closely, and he DIDN'T say this.

Are you from Glasgow? I would appreciate some help in understanding a particular phrase that I think he uses - I mean that I have every syllable but it doesn't make sense, unless it's slang. Someone that understands Glaswegian could put me right! If that's you, can you send me a PM?

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You appear to have corrected yourself @glenda .  The second post you have now edited but it's much the same thing..

glenda wrote:For the record didn't Gerry say "I am not here to f*****g enjoy myself ?

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glenda wrote:"F*** off .......cause am here to enjoy maself !"

Because I am here to enjoy myself ! he says sarcastically.

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Now back on topic please.

My first reply was to correct a misquote from Sharon notwithstanding that I hadn't heard the video for  10 years.

My second reply was to answer a question from Jonal which meant I had to listen to the video again and again  after which I gave my opinion of what Gerry said out of courtesy to Jonal.

Now you crack on.

"It's not just what you know.

It's not just who you know.

It is what you know about who you know.

How about that for a theory."  Aquila .



John Reid was Home Secretary and therefore de facto head of MI5 on the night Maddie went missing on Thursday 3rd of May 2007.

On  Friday 4th of May 2007 Reid appeared on the World at One radio show with Martha Kearney and confirmed he would be standing as a candidate against Gordon Brown in the forth coming Labour part leadership contest,the winner becoming the Prime Minister.
Two days later on Sunday 6th of May 2007 Reid appeared on The Sunday Politics Show and announced he was no longer standing as a candidate in the leadership battle.
Since then Reid has disappeared from public life other than his spell as Chairman Of Celtic F.C.

Following a long association with the club John Reid was appointed Chairman of Celtic for 4 years from  November 2007 until October 2011.

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