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I think the OG didn't close down years ago because they were instructed by the higher ups not to, IMO. The show had to go on for reasons only known to them that we have all been speculating about now for the last 8+ years. And as GA stated the case would never be solved because of the political interference in it. And IMO that is exactly what it has been, a cover up right from the start.jeanmonroe wrote:Joss wrote:
"Yeah, will be interesting to see if we ever do actually get to see it? " (the PJ 'second' tranche of files)
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Under Portuguese LAW, the files, of a 'shelved/archived' case HAVE TO BE 'released' into the public 'domain'.
Why do you think, OG, didn't close down, YEARS ago?
Because they 'don't have a clue' (a bit like their 4 1/2 YEARS 'full time, investigation' of a 'missing' child) WHAT is 'in' the PJ 'files' since the PJ 're-opened' their 'investigation'
But, oh, OG have 'tried' to find out, oh, how they've TRIED!
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Mr and Mrs McCann SAID "Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine,..."
That 'statement', alone, from the McCann's, yesterday, 28th October 2015, rather 'blows out of the water' their 8 1/2 YEARS 'mantra'...............'Madeleine WAS ABDUCTED' dosen't it?
THEY 'DON'T KNOW'! (what 'happened')
They are 'admitting', on 'record', by their 'not KNOWING what happened to Madeleine' that they DO NOT KNOW if Madeleine was 'abducted' by a 'he, she or they, 'abductor/s' (GM in Lisbon) or indeed, they DO NOT KNOW if Madeleine was 'abducted' at all, by ANYONE. Even a 'stranger'!
All anyone 'knows' is that Madeleine is 'missing' ('supposedly') WITHOUT any 'involvement' by her own parents, their 'friends' or 'persons they 'know', even though there is no 'evidence' to 'eliminate them' from possible 'involvement' in their daughter's 'disappearance')
That 'statement', alone, from the McCann's, yesterday, 28th October 2015, rather 'blows out of the water' their 8 1/2 YEARS 'mantra'...............'Madeleine WAS ABDUCTED' dosen't it?
THEY 'DON'T KNOW'! (what 'happened')
They are 'admitting', on 'record', by their 'not KNOWING what happened to Madeleine' that they DO NOT KNOW if Madeleine was 'abducted' by a 'he, she or they, 'abductor/s' (GM in Lisbon) or indeed, they DO NOT KNOW if Madeleine was 'abducted' at all, by ANYONE. Even a 'stranger'!
All anyone 'knows' is that Madeleine is 'missing' ('supposedly') WITHOUT any 'involvement' by her own parents, their 'friends' or 'persons they 'know', even though there is no 'evidence' to 'eliminate them' from possible 'involvement' in their daughter's 'disappearance')
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Maybe, just maybe, they have their answer and it'll only take 4 of them to action.
Do I believe that? No. But it's the last shred of optimism I can muster up.
My only other hope, is that if the PJ put the case files back on the shelf, we get to see copies.
I don't think we'll ever get to hear the truth. I reckon Op Grange know everything now. But can't do a thing about it.
Do I believe that? No. But it's the last shred of optimism I can muster up.
My only other hope, is that if the PJ put the case files back on the shelf, we get to see copies.
I don't think we'll ever get to hear the truth. I reckon Op Grange know everything now. But can't do a thing about it.
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Sorry Lance: if 'interviewing' the parents & the tapasniks were on the cards, 4 police people would not suffice
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LBC NICK FERRARI INTERVIEW WITH ANDY TROTTER, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER AT SCOTLAND YARD, DAVID HUGHES FORMER MCCANN MEDIA ADVISER AND CALLER SARAH FROM WILTSHIRE - 29th October 2015
Nick Ferrari - What has 1338 statements, 1027 exhibits, 60 persons of interest having been investigated, 8685 potential sightings, 560 lines of enquiry, 30 requests made to other countries asking for work to be done, and 29 detectives give you. Well it's the investigation as to what happened to Madeleine McCann and now as you have already heard on the News the 10 million pound enquiry, the 10 million pounds enquiry will be phased down from 29 officers working on Operation Grange as it's known to it says here just 4,its still a lot, this as I remind you we are told that Police now won't be coming out in some areas, won't be coming out to burglaries, could you possibly email the details in, they stole my laptop, oh shame isn't it, also routine patrols, there's no future in routine patrols, you don't catch criminals, you really don't need them. But if it comes to nicking Sun journalist 15 million pounds, one conviction that's under appeal, 29 to 1 if you are a football manager by the way imagine running a team, you play 30 games you lost 29 you won one or maybe drew because it's still going before a panel do you think you would keep your job, no me neither. 29 detectives looking for Madeleine McCann does it need a couple of blokes on it yes it probably does because the McCanns ran a very successful media campaign it engendered quite rightly in probably global certainly nationwide sympathy, we would all love somehow find the little girl is wandering around Algeria and is going to be reunited with her parents that really would be a story with a happy ending, sadly if we are realistic you and I, I think probably know and fear which way this is going to go ultimately so who on earth authorised 29 men and women to do all this work. Andy Trotter is former deputy assistant commissioner at Scotland Yard and joins me now. Mr. Trotter, how is it determined how many detectives or officers are put on a certain case, good morning.
Andy Trotter - Good morning to you Nick, I am a little reluctant to take a judgement on the scale of the enquiry and the range of the enquires that have got to be made and all the people who have got to be seen and make a judgement according to that. You know I think many people would absolutely agree that a case like this needed proper thorough investigation it's been a terrible terrible tragedy and we all hope that the Met can make some progress and now they are making the again sensible decision to scale back the numbers to focus on the outstanding lines of enquiry that they have got.
Nick Ferrari - How surprised are you or were you when you learnt read or heard that there would be 29 people on it.
Andy Trotter - I am not at all surprised, it's become an international enquiry and quite rightly you have to get on and deal with it, there's no point in having a couple of people on it and taking forever, if there has ever been any chance of solving this case it has to be done swiftly with the right number of people and I eminently trust the judgement of all those in charge there who know what they are doing and are very very experienced detectives who have worked on some big big cases in the past to make appropriate judgement
Nick Ferrari - But what will they do all day
Andy Trotter - well for goodness sake now these people are working flat out and they are going....
Nick Ferrari - what do they do all day, I don't understand what they do all day
Andy Trotter - Nick come on I mean these are experienced detectives, these are people who have solved many many cases these are dedicated officers
Nick Ferrari - I am not questioning their dedication I just, presumably all the angles that were there we've been down all the avenues have been explored we have got 29 men and women they turn up every morning and I imagine they stay there until quite late at night. what do they actually do what are they going to find all these years on.
Andy Trotter - well that is a separate matter entirely, what I'm saying is these people they know what they are doing, these are experienced people well led and they are now taken the appropriate decision to scale it back to focus on the existing lines of enquiry. The other points that you made in your opening about priorities are entirely different matter. I think that everything has got to be looked at in the context of the austerity cuts that are made in policing right now and the people who are in charge have to make sure there are the right numbers on these enquiries while taking into account all the other pressures they are facing right now.
Nick Ferrari - and that was going to be my final point Mr. Trotter because my listeners that they read that in some areas if their houses are burgled they may not get a police officer to turn up unless it is an even number door or odd number door or whatever it might be and routine patrols seen as not much future in those and we are having police cars that they can't afford to put the lights and two tones on meanwhile we can find 29 blokes and women to look at Madeleine McCann.
Andy Trotter - you know as well as I do Nick you have spoken to the Commissioner about this police officers will still attend burglaries where this is a live scene, there is a chance of catching someone, you've got a vulnerable victim, all of these things will still carry on. where I do agree with you...
Nick Ferrari - this is a rare moment this, lets celebrate this, go on
Andy Trotter - ha ha ha
Nick Ferrari - I think its a first, its literally a first, go ahead Mr. Trotter, ha ha ha
Andy Trotter - Where I do agree with you is that I now no longer in the Police looking.......accurate or inaccurate.. (can't make out what he is saying exactly) I think the Police have got to be really clear about what they are going to do. Now answer 3 nines calls swiftly, get to the scene fast, look after people. I hear all this talk of cyber crime and how important it is but these things are eminently preventable in the same way that motor vehicle crime has been slashed by the motor manufacturers designing it out we can design out the crime, what we can't design out is high street thuggery, yobbery, and the sort of street violence that really frightens people and that's where the Police should be and people in rural communities are very very concerned about the absence of policing they get when they get their plant machinery stolen, animals stolen and things such as that. I think the Police have got to come out now and say exactly what they are going to do in very plain language that can't be misinterpreted by the popular Press and be really clear that they are here to protect the public and look after them.
Nick Ferrari - lets finish on a rare moment of accord Andy Trotter thank you for your time. Mr. Totter was former Deputy Assistant Commissioner at Scotland Yard until very recently. Listening at 12 minutes after 8 is David Hughes former media adviser to the McCann family. Mr. Hughes what made the McCann family, how was it that so much focus attention and indeed Police time was spent on their case.
David Hughes - well I think if one reflects on the statistics which you ran through at the beginning of this discussion what one has to bear in mind is that a lot of that effort was the work been put in by the British Police to make up for the shortcomings of the initial investigation by the Portuguese Police and in some ways going over the issues and possible leads which came up at the beginning but which weren't properly investigated going over those leads some years later I think has contributed greatly to the high volume of activity which you described. That is a fact that we shouldn't lose sight of and I was quite struck watching one of the interviews by one of the police officers last night they were arguing quite strongly that the decision to now cut back to four officers wasn't actually resources led which I thoughts was an interesting aspect of this sort of discussion.
Nick Ferrari - sorry were you able to glean what does lie behind this decision then
David Hughes - well I think what the er, what has been going on over the last year or two has been a sort of reinvestigation going back over the ground of the initial investigation which was obviously felt to be inadequate and the attitude of some of the Portuguese officers which has led to considerable falling out with the McCanns which has led to legal action, er, the shortcomings of that investigation therefore meant going back over the possible leads, some years later which is what the British Police have done was obviously more labour intensive that if an appropriate investigation had taken place in the early period.
Nick Ferrari - But lastly here's the thing that I know intrigues my listeners thousands of youngsters go missing across the country each year, many of them subsequently turn up, they have had rows with parents, or relationships issues or whatever, but there are still more than 150 children on the missing list right now and yet not one of them has had the kind of attention or money that has been spent on this particular case and I come back to my central point why is that do you suppose.
David Hughes - well I think if we look back eight years to when Madeleine first vanished there was a fantastic level of interest partly in many ways simulated by the media, I don't think one can criticise the McCanns for
Nick Ferrari - hang on you don't want the Police responding to what the media says do you, so whoever shouts the loudest, whoever gets more coverage in the Sun and the mirror gets more Police time
David Hughes - I am not saying whether that is right or wrong I am just saying I think that is what happened erm and I think there was a point at which particular various British politicians intervened to guarantee the McCanns a reinvestigation and additional resources and that is what drove it, you know we all remember what a major media story it was but what I suppose my point is that you cannot blame the McCanns for succeeding in getting a maximum possible attention to their particular situation and the maximum, possible resources put behind that.
Nick Ferrari - I don't blame them at all, absolutely, no blame subscribed at all just intrigued as to how. Mr. Hughes thank you, former media adviser to the McCanns in the months after Madeleine went missing. alright over to you for your reaction. Not enough money now to buy Police cars with the flashing lights or two tone sirens but we have got enough for 29 and what do they do all day, seriously, I know he didn't like that question but literally.....morning George (hello what's happened) no nothing come out of Portugal at all, no more emails, no nothing, nothing more from Portugal, no nothing at all, what about the hotel, all done.. erm we'll make some more calls then, well who are we going to call that we haven't called for the past seven years, that's a good point, think I'll have a coffee, coming up we will have your views on the Madeleine McCann expenditure and the 46 million given to disgraced Kids company charity because of a mesmerised Prime Minister. It does seem an extraordinary amount of money and indeed manpower, personnel, Sarah's in Wiltshire, Sarah what's your reaction to the news that they are cutting it down to just 4 detectives.
Sarah - well Hi Nick
Nick Ferrari - hello
Sarah - You inspired me to call when you said to that gentleman what did the Police do all day that's a really good question because I know from what I found out they do for myself the remit was set by the McCanns so all the terms of reference of what the Police were allowed to investigate were set by them and they also enjoy peer status of the Met Police themselves which means they are able to access the Police files as the case progresses and I think that is really limited what the Police have been allowed to do, they have not been allowed for instance to re-interview the McCanns as either witnesses or dare I say it suspects, they have not been allowed to do a reconstruction in situ so they could examine the time line and when people left the table to do checks on the children or whatever and I just think for that reason it's been very very limited when they have been allowed to only investigate an abduction theory its kind of fallen down from the beginning in my opinion.
Nick Ferrari - yes I hear what you are saying erm 29 of them also at a time god forbid someone was breaking into your garage now you might not get a police officer to turn up that's pretty galling as well isn't it.
Sarah - absolutely and especially when we haven't really heard what the Met Police have actually achieved on the case, we know they have examined the Portuguese Police files but I believe they are public record all of us can look at these files anyway and I don't think they have actually furthered the case, if they could prove that they had actually furthered the case or taken it to a new level then perhaps we could understand but they have done none of those things. It's not actually their fault because I just feel it's been a very restricted zone on that case it's all geared up by the McCanns and what they want the Police to investigate too much power in their court I think.
Nick Ferrari - and from Scotland yard Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley says the work we have done has enabled us to better understand events in Prai da Luz and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened. Dear me its 10 million pounds, 29 coppers, oh dear oh dear this is extraordinary isn't it
Sarah - It is, it really is, I follow the case quite closely and looked at a lot of the Portuguese police files because I can't see that they did a bad job at all to be honest. they did....
Nick Ferrari - why does the case interest you so much lastly.
Sarah - erm I think it's just one of those cases that sort of enduring isn't it, I have obviously controversial feelings I think because of being a parent as well, I know I would never have left my children and certainly would not have expected them to stay asleep while I went out to dinner so I think that just sort of inspired me to follow the case and see what it's all about.
Nick Ferrari - I think a lot of us we've been on those European holidays we have taken decisions as to whether we have food sent to our rooms obviously of course I am no longer with my wife and of course my children are far fitter and stronger than I am but you have actually decide to eat in the hotel room because you just didn't want to leave the child or the children. I know what you are saying but no-one will rue the decision more of course than the McCanns they must think of that I would have thought if not on an hourly certainly on a daily basis. Sarah thank you.
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You have got to be joking!! Was the Met investigation really based on the McCann's Terms of Reference including no questioning of them or a reconstruction! Have i read that transcript right? Well that explains everything then. Did the Terms of Reference also include a SY police presence in Portugal everytime there was an Amaral court proceedings because that is how it appeared?
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It is difficult to imagine that the Met's finest could possibly 'scale back' the investigation any further.Certainly mentally, they have been in the dead zone for some time now.
Whilst this recent news has been hardly surprising to most on this forum and elsewhere in the country, it still leaves me feeling utter contempt for law enforcement in this country.How can our Police expect to be respected when they have so little self-respect for their work.
They have been told to question only certain aspects of the case and like good little plodders that they are, they appear to have done just that.They have kept off those areas that required to be answered first, namely the actions and subsequent contradictory statements of the McCanns and friends.
Teams of lawyers and the issuing of Injunctions have protected the McCanns.The Police involved in this case have become sheep.Shame on them.
I wonder how people will react when requests are made for the Public to assist the Police in future cases.Will they command people's respect? Do they really deserve any respect?
I hope some will break ranks and reveal what has gone on.But I will not hold my breath.
Whilst this recent news has been hardly surprising to most on this forum and elsewhere in the country, it still leaves me feeling utter contempt for law enforcement in this country.How can our Police expect to be respected when they have so little self-respect for their work.
They have been told to question only certain aspects of the case and like good little plodders that they are, they appear to have done just that.They have kept off those areas that required to be answered first, namely the actions and subsequent contradictory statements of the McCanns and friends.
Teams of lawyers and the issuing of Injunctions have protected the McCanns.The Police involved in this case have become sheep.Shame on them.
I wonder how people will react when requests are made for the Public to assist the Police in future cases.Will they command people's respect? Do they really deserve any respect?
I hope some will break ranks and reveal what has gone on.But I will not hold my breath.
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We have all witnessed a whitewash from start to finish, right in front of our eyes.
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How often do The Met release make public announcements about this case?
Is 4 people sufficient to bring this case to a close, even if they don't have the Mccanns in mind?
Mccanns or no Mccanns, 4 people cant do much for this case, the full team haven't seemingly done much over the years, so unless they're close then they may as well wind it up now.
Maybe the numbers are a red herring, maybe there's still more than 4 people and they want the culprits to think they're cutting back, when they're really close to nabbing them?
Is 4 people sufficient to bring this case to a close, even if they don't have the Mccanns in mind?
Mccanns or no Mccanns, 4 people cant do much for this case, the full team haven't seemingly done much over the years, so unless they're close then they may as well wind it up now.
Maybe the numbers are a red herring, maybe there's still more than 4 people and they want the culprits to think they're cutting back, when they're really close to nabbing them?
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melisande wrote:You have got to be joking!! Was the Met investigation really based on the McCann's Terms of Reference including no questioning of them or a reconstruction! Have i read that transcript right? Well that explains everything then. Did the Terms of Reference also include a SY police presence in Portugal everytime there was an Amaral court proceedings because that is how it appeared?
Mr Bennett called it months ago when he examined the exact wording of the remit of the ivestigation. (Forgive me if other poster did too)
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I can't keep up with this subject - so many threads running on the same theme. Still it matters not, it seems to me that this latest declaration by the Metropolitan Police is but a response to the ever growing demands for an explanation as to why Operation Grange was commissioned to investigate a crime that was committed abroad, over a period of four and half years at a cost in excess of £10m and growing by the day. That's in addition to the involvement by various agents of the UK police between May 2007 and May 2011.
What other purpose can it serve? They have no obligation to offer explanations to the public and as Operation Grange have repeatedly said, they don't intend to give a running commentary on their investigation. Whichever way you look at it, the case of MBM's disappearance is naff all to do with the UK authorities. They messed up big time by sticking their plates of meat in where they weren't wanted - or required. Now they pay the price, in more ways than one, only it's public money they've frittered away pretending to care. Perhaps they didn't reckon on being faced with a Goncalo Amaral, perhaps they thought they could march in with their size 14 hobnail boots and annihilate the sardine munching third world backward rural police. WRONG!
Maybe there's more than one reason why this masquerade has been kept afloat in the UK. Whatever, I'm sure the McCanns are buoyed up by the news!
What other purpose can it serve? They have no obligation to offer explanations to the public and as Operation Grange have repeatedly said, they don't intend to give a running commentary on their investigation. Whichever way you look at it, the case of MBM's disappearance is naff all to do with the UK authorities. They messed up big time by sticking their plates of meat in where they weren't wanted - or required. Now they pay the price, in more ways than one, only it's public money they've frittered away pretending to care. Perhaps they didn't reckon on being faced with a Goncalo Amaral, perhaps they thought they could march in with their size 14 hobnail boots and annihilate the sardine munching third world backward rural police. WRONG!
Maybe there's more than one reason why this masquerade has been kept afloat in the UK. Whatever, I'm sure the McCanns are buoyed up by the news!
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Oh look - an update on the official find Madeleine site..
The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt. We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in PDL leading up to Madeleine’s abduction in 2007.
Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced. We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.
Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry.
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28 October, 2015 - Update
We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years.The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt. We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in PDL leading up to Madeleine’s abduction in 2007.
Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced. We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.
Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry.
Gerry and Kate
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'EX COPS 'TEAM'?
'LED' by ex DCI AR and ex DCS HC?
Ex DCI AR's and ex DCS HC's 'reward'?
Everyone, and 'his dog', (jailed fraudsters, (£300,000) 'bent' Spanish PI's, (£50/100,000 a MONTH) Grabbit&Leggit , Bell 'PR' agency (£500,000) 'Spokesman' (£28,000pa 'retainer') etc., has had a 'share' of the PUBLIC 'donations' to Madeleine's Fund, LNSU, WHY shouldn't Andy and Hamish, 'cash in' ('lick' of the Madeleine's FUND, 'lolly') as it was 'an extraordinary privilege' for HIM to 'work on' the 'missing' Madeleine McCann 'case' for years?
They 'helpfully' diverted unwanted 'attention' AWAY from the McS, and 'friends', at every 'turn', during their tenure as SIO/IO at OG, imo.
AR even 'cosying up to' and 'flying' around Europe (Holland and Germany) 'with them'! (to 'diss' LONG HAIRED Tannerman, 'replaced' by OG's 'found' LONG HAIRED 'Crecheman', (WRONG PYJAMAS!) To 'promote' SHORT HAIRED Smithman!
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Hmmm
October 30th 2015
"£750K in Fund"................."the SUN".......'Exclusive'
But
March 29th, 2015 .
"The SUN on Sunday".................'Exclusive'.
EXCLUSIVE: Parents pump almost £1million into search fund
Exclusive by Mike Hamilton
The parents or Madeleine McCann plan to plough their own money into the search for their missing daughter if police halt their investigation.
Kate and Gerry McCann both 47, of Rothley Leics, fear public donations have dried up as the search approaches its eighth anniversary.
So they have pumped almost £1 million into a fund for Madeleine that would be running at a loss without their cash.
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£750,000 is NOT 'almost' £1MILLION.
So, 'somewhere' between March 2015 (almost £1 MILLION) and October 2015 (£750,000) 'almost' £250,000 has been er, um, y'know 'abducted,' from 'A' 'search' fund!
October 30th 2015
"£750K in Fund"................."the SUN".......'Exclusive'
But
March 29th, 2015 .
"The SUN on Sunday".................'Exclusive'.
EXCLUSIVE: Parents pump almost £1million into search fund
Exclusive by Mike Hamilton
The parents or Madeleine McCann plan to plough their own money into the search for their missing daughter if police halt their investigation.
Kate and Gerry McCann both 47, of Rothley Leics, fear public donations have dried up as the search approaches its eighth anniversary.
So they have pumped almost £1 million into a fund for Madeleine that would be running at a loss without their cash.
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£750,000 is NOT 'almost' £1MILLION.
So, 'somewhere' between March 2015 (almost £1 MILLION) and October 2015 (£750,000) 'almost' £250,000 has been er, um, y'know 'abducted,' from 'A' 'search' fund!
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At least members of the public may think: "if the McCann's can pump almost £1million of their own money into the Fund, why do they need my fiver?"
If they've got £1million of their own money then that must mean they've got even more somewhere because surely they wouldn't leave themselves short, especially as they must be aware that the McC's are also paying lawyers.
Aaaaah, the poor McCann's fear the public donations have dried up
If I was about to reach into my wallet to make a donation, I'd thank the Sun for stopping me. Plus members of the public must know the McCann's get paid for each story that is published.
If they've got £1million of their own money then that must mean they've got even more somewhere because surely they wouldn't leave themselves short, especially as they must be aware that the McC's are also paying lawyers.
Aaaaah, the poor McCann's fear the public donations have dried up
If I was about to reach into my wallet to make a donation, I'd thank the Sun for stopping me. Plus members of the public must know the McCann's get paid for each story that is published.
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I think it is more than outrageous that the Metropolitan Police gives a platform to the 2 main suspects so they can spout their idiocies.
But hey, that's just me
But hey, that's just me
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melisande wrote:You have got to be joking!! Was the Met investigation really based on the McCann's Terms of Reference including no questioning of them or a reconstruction! Have i read that transcript right? Well that explains everything then. Did the Terms of Reference also include a SY police presence in Portugal everytime there was an Amaral court proceedings because that is how it appeared?
It looks like it, doesn't it?
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lj wrote:I think it is more than outrageous that the Metropolitan Police gives a platform to the 2 main suspects so they can spout their idiocies.
But hey, that's just me
That's just it... they are not suspects to OG.
Anyway, that's a different topic.....
I suspect that this public message has been prompted not to boost the McCanns profile, or anything else underhand, but most likely to calm the general public down after the backlash of the Ben Needham/expenditure/use of police resources attacks of recent weeks.
The investigation is still on-going, they are just publicly declaring "don't worry folks, we'll slow down on the spending, defuse all the anger towards the Met and the McCanns and try and re-build popularity with the tax payer"
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I too think they are not suspect for OG. My post was more for those who still believe OG is just playing a clever game to fool the parents. This was in no way necessary to keep up the idea the parents are not suspects. As a matter of fact the only thing it does is thumbing the nose to the Portuguese in a "see that's how you should treat our favorite couple" way.guest12345 wrote:lj wrote:I think it is more than outrageous that the Metropolitan Police gives a platform to the 2 main suspects so they can spout their idiocies.
But hey, that's just me
That's just it... they are not suspects to OG.
Anyway, that's a different topic.....
I suspect that this public message has been prompted not to boost the McCanns profile, or anything else underhand, but most likely to calm the general public down after the backlash of the Ben Needham/expenditure/use of police resources attacks of recent weeks.
The investigation is still on-going, they are just publicly declaring "don't worry folks, we'll slow down on the spending, defuse all the anger towards the Met and the McCanns and try and re-build popularity with the tax payer"
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"And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, why would that be our fault?" Gerry
Because she was your child. Your duty as a parent is to protect her. Idiot.
Because she was your child. Your duty as a parent is to protect her. Idiot.
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And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the creche, Gerry, would that be the fault of a Nanny?maebee wrote:"And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, why would that be our fault?" Gerry
Because she was your child. Your duty as a parent is to protect her. Idiot.
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maebee wrote:"And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, why would that be our fault?" Gerry
Because she was your child. Your duty as a parent is to protect her. Idiot.
If you turned your back for 5 seconds and a child fell over and banged their head...technically no, not their fault. However, if you neglect your child for hours on end, then yes, entirely your fault Mr.McCann.
All they can do is hold onto the story that the 'window of opportunity' for 'whatever happened' remains very small, as otherwise they are in a whole world of trouble for neglect.
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maebee wrote:
"And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, why would that be our fault?" says Gerry McCann.
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And, why would leaving, 'diliberately, consciously, willingly and knowingly,' THREE children all under 4 years of age, alone, out of sight, in an unlocked, holiday apartment, for at least 34 minutes, and one of those three, left alone, children, disappear, also NOT be your 'fault', Gerry?
Madeleine IS 'gone' and it is UTTERLY and ENTIRELY, YOUR'S and YOUR WIFE'S 'FAULT'!
NOBODY 'ELSE'S'!
Madeleine is 'missing/disappeared' and,
IT'S ALL, YOUR, OWN,.. FAULT!
You have admitted, on record, that you and your wife would NOT, ('definitely NOT') have left your THREE children, ALONE, in the UK, 'EVER'!
So WHY 'LEAVE ALL YOUR THREE CHILDREN', ALONE, OUT OF SIGHT, 'abroad'?
"And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, why would that be our fault?" says Gerry McCann.
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And, why would leaving, 'diliberately, consciously, willingly and knowingly,' THREE children all under 4 years of age, alone, out of sight, in an unlocked, holiday apartment, for at least 34 minutes, and one of those three, left alone, children, disappear, also NOT be your 'fault', Gerry?
Madeleine IS 'gone' and it is UTTERLY and ENTIRELY, YOUR'S and YOUR WIFE'S 'FAULT'!
NOBODY 'ELSE'S'!
Madeleine is 'missing/disappeared' and,
IT'S ALL, YOUR, OWN,.. FAULT!
You have admitted, on record, that you and your wife would NOT, ('definitely NOT') have left your THREE children, ALONE, in the UK, 'EVER'!
So WHY 'LEAVE ALL YOUR THREE CHILDREN', ALONE, OUT OF SIGHT, 'abroad'?
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Still beggars (my) belief that anyone would think it was ok to leave children alone night after night as the Tapas crew say they did.
They put their children into creche during the day time but left them alone in the dark in a strange land, strange apartment and very vulnerable and defenceless at night? whhhhaaaattt. Makes no sense at all to me no matter how many times I have heard it said and it still makes me sick to the guts to hear it.
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They put their children into creche during the day time but left them alone in the dark in a strange land, strange apartment and very vulnerable and defenceless at night? whhhhaaaattt. Makes no sense at all to me no matter how many times I have heard it said and it still makes me sick to the guts to hear it.
PAH, PAH, PAH.
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