Under what circumstances did Robert Murat secure the job of interpreter in the McCann case?

sharonl wrote:

aquila wrote:They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.

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Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.

The work   [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Before  [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered   [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.



Does that mean previous work on the McCann case, or another?

... Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation ...

... he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

... an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious....

...  I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces [items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry...

...the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" ... and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses

Lance De Boils wrote:

sharonl wrote:

aquila wrote:They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.

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Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.

The work   [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Before  [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered   [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.



Does that mean previous work on the McCann case, or another?

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From the same source as quoted above, I'm pointing out, below, more about RM's 'nosiness':

... Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation ...

... he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

... an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious....

...  I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces [items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry...

...the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" ... and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses

I wonder... who was he really working on behalf of, and what was his brief?

petunia wrote:and the husband of Fiona wearing clear pants, beige she thinks.
  
Gosh i hadn't read her statement before  Woofer, i alway's thought i had read it that it  was Gerry wearing beige pants? I also ponder why Robert's mum Jenny set up a camper van asking people who, maybe didn't want to go to the police to pass information on to her.Was it her idea or Roberts i wonder? also what became of the book she was writing. 

sharonl wrote:Going slightly off topic here, but were we aware that Murat was a Jehova witness?

Ian CI: 139..., phone in the Mr Ian Cxxxxx's house ...in Exeter, "ansião" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Exeter with whom he maintains a close relationship because he had been his Bible teacher in Exeter;

1947 to 1956 Interrogation of arguido    Robert Murat 2007.07.10

sallypelt wrote:

sharonl wrote:Going slightly off topic here, but were we aware that Murat was a Jehova witness?

Ian CI: 139..., phone in the Mr Ian Cxxxxx's house ...in Exeter, "ansião" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Exeter with whom he maintains a close relationship because he had been his Bible teacher in Exeter;

1947 to 1956 Interrogation of arguido    Robert Murat 2007.07.10

I can remember reading that R Murat wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, but he "attended Jehovah's Witness classes". I will look to see if I can find the article.

Woofer wrote:

petunia wrote:and the husband of Fiona wearing clear pants, beige she thinks.
  
Gosh i hadn't read her statement before  Woofer, i alway's thought i had read it that it  was Gerry wearing beige pants? I also ponder why Robert's mum Jenny set up a camper van asking people who, maybe didn't want to go to the police to pass information on to her.Was it her idea or Roberts i wonder? also what became of the book she was writing. 

What I find interesting is that Silvia Batista confirms that RM was there on the night of the 3rd.  Although she had known Mr. and Mrs Murat for many years she did not know they had a son.  It was only the next day that someone else identified him to her as the Murat`s son and this was the same man she had seen the night before.

Hicks wrote:This question has probably been resolved, apologies if so.

Does anyone know the confirmed name of the bald playground man?

He was seen before Madeleine's disappearance, oddly watching her play, and seen after with Murat.

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I have read, several times, that he is possibly in the PJ. Also there are rumours he may have travelled back to PDL with Murat on May 1st.

Lance De Boils wrote:

sharonl wrote:

aquila wrote:They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.

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Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.

The work   [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Before  [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered   [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.



Does that mean previous work on the McCann case, or another?

================
From the same source as quoted above, I'm pointing out, below, more about RM's 'nosiness':

... Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation ...

... he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

... an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious....

...  I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces [items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry...

...the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" ... and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses

I wonder... who was he really working on behalf of, and what was his brief?

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Hicks wrote:This question has probably been resolved, apologies if so.

Does anyone know the confirmed name of the bald playground man?

He was seen before Madeleine's disappearance, oddly watching her play, and seen after with Murat.

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I have read, several times, that he is possibly in the PJ. Also there are rumours he may have travelled back to PDL with Murat on May 1st.

That would be Raj Balu Hicks. A consultant/director for Cooper Tuff, a immigration firm. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

petunia wrote:Hicks.Iv'e read his statement and reread his statement, and reread his statement,and have come to the conclusion he was so pissed he couldn't remember if he left the bar with Neil or not Imo and my opinion only his statement is like a sieve,full of holes.

sallypelt wrote:

sallypelt wrote:

sharonl wrote:Going slightly off topic here, but were we aware that Murat was a Jehova witness?

Ian CI: 139..., phone in the Mr Ian Cxxxxx's house ...in Exeter, "ansião" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Exeter with whom he maintains a close relationship because he had been his Bible teacher in Exeter;

1947 to 1956 Interrogation of arguido    Robert Murat 2007.07.10

I can remember reading that R Murat wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, but he "attended Jehovah's Witness classes". I will look to see if I can find the article.

Here it is:

He has since formed a relationship with a thirty-something German property saleswoman, Michaela Walczuch, who lives with her husband in nearby Lagos.


They have been described as lovers, but Murat denies this. "She's my partner, and we are very, very, very close - but she's not my girlfriend because she can't be. She's a Jehovah's Witness and she's still married. I'm not a Witness, but I attend study classes."


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Then he goes on to marry her.

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LombardySkeptik wrote:In my view RM was not actively involved in any of this - though perhaps he is not an entirely innocent law abiding chap (hence his subsequent contradictory statements and behaviour) 

Has anyone considered that RM was just himself suspicious about the McCanns from the very beginning and just rather clumsily got himself too involved - and thereafter attracting the interest of Team McCann/MSM for their own obvious reasons

cloak'ndagger wrote:

LombardySkeptik wrote:In my view RM was not actively involved in any of this - though perhaps he is not an entirely innocent law abiding chap (hence his subsequent contradictory statements and behaviour) 

Has anyone considered that RM was just himself suspicious about the McCanns from the very beginning and just rather clumsily got himself too involved - and thereafter attracting the interest of Team McCann/MSM for their own obvious reasons

 Spot on . Robert Murat is an effusive type of guy ...overly anxious to impress and as Kate said would be the type who would have been likely to have been bullied at school.

I would imagine that he offered his services as interpreter because he was on the spot. I cannot recall reading that he was working in an official capacity

palm tree wrote:

cloak'ndagger wrote:

LombardySkeptik wrote:In my view RM was not actively involved in any of this - though perhaps he is not an entirely innocent law abiding chap (hence his subsequent contradictory statements and behaviour) 

Has anyone considered that RM was just himself suspicious about the McCanns from the very beginning and just rather clumsily got himself too involved - and thereafter attracting the interest of Team McCann/MSM for their own obvious reasons

 Spot on . Robert Murat is an effusive type of guy ...overly anxious to impress and as Kate said would be the type who would have been likely to have been bullied at school.

I would imagine that he offered his services as interpreter because he was on the spot. I cannot recall reading that he was working in an official capacity

And wasn't it a sky news reporter who reported him in the first place?

sami wrote:

palm tree wrote:

cloak'ndagger wrote:

LombardySkeptik wrote:In my view RM was not actively involved in any of this - though perhaps he is not an entirely innocent law abiding chap (hence his subsequent contradictory statements and behaviour) 

Has anyone considered that RM was just himself suspicious about the McCanns from the very beginning and just rather clumsily got himself too involved - and thereafter attracting the interest of Team McCann/MSM for their own obvious reasons

 Spot on . Robert Murat is an effusive type of guy ...overly anxious to impress and as Kate said would be the type who would have been likely to have been bullied at school.

I would imagine that he offered his services as interpreter because he was on the spot. I cannot recall reading that he was working in an official capacity

And wasn't it a sky news reporter who reported him in the first place?

I believe it was Lori Campbell a Sunday Mirror Journalist.