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Under what circumstances did Robert Murat secure the job of interpreter in the McCann case?

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Post by sharonl on 25.08.14 8:19

@Lance De Boils wrote:I got the feeling that Murat was sent back to Pt by someone in UK - knowing he'd be able to offer his services as a translator and keep an eye on things for whoever sent him.

Just a feeling.


This has come up a few times lately.  Murat was a freelance interpreter for Norfolk police but obviously he had to be qualified to do this, and no doubt undergo certain security checks etc.  I am sure that the same would apply to Portuguese and other police interpreters.  The Portuguese also have their own interpreters, so why did they need another one?  He was also suspected of snooping while he was on the McCann case.  I very much doubt that the Portuguese police would accept someone who had merely walked in off the street, and if he did, is it coincidence that he would be immediately put on the McCann case?  The place is buzzing with Brits and there would have been a number of minor cases that he may have been allocated too.  So who set this up, and how?

Questions:

1.  Under what circumstances did Robert Murat secure the job of interpreter for the PJ?
2.  Did he undergo any training or security checks in Portugal?
3. Has Murat assisted the PJ in this respect before?
4. Were the UK authorities involved in securing this post?
5. What was this the reason that Murat went back to PDL on May 1st?
6. Does Robert Murat have any connection with the UK Government, authorities etc.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-interpreters/guidance-for-interpreters

http://www.apciinterpreters.org.uk/

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Post by aquila on 25.08.14 8:56

They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.
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Post by worriedmum on 25.08.14 10:47

I seem to remember that a retired police officer was interviewed after Madeleine's disappearance, saying that Portugal is safe and family friendly . He had lived there for many years. I wonder if he speaks Portuguese, he would be a natural choice as an interpreter. ..
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Post by Lance De Boils on 25.08.14 13:16

Thanks for starting a thread on this, sharonl.
All questions I'd love to know the answers to.
I'm going to have a look back through statements etc for clues to support (or discount) this hypothesis.
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Post by sharonl on 25.08.14 19:27

@aquila wrote:They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.


The work   [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Before  [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered   [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.



Does that mean previous work on the McCann case, or another?

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Post by sharonl on 25.08.14 20:46

995 to 1001 Further background information on Robert Murat
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Of the many elements collected, and pointing out, that at this moment in the investigation, the occurrence of an unusual situation, relative to an individual identified as Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat.

This individual, voluntarily, went to the GNR post alleging that he was an interpreter of the English language, and could be useful in helping to realise diligences. He was directed to the elements of this police which were at the locale. Right on this day and on the following days, he helped in various diligences realised by this police, namely in the inquires of the British functionaries of the LOC.

At this point in time we noted immediately a strange comportment, especially with the press/media, alleging that he did not want to be photographed, or to make allusions to this presence.

We stress that at this time, we were contacted by various journalists, who alleged that they had noticed his strange comportment, and that he showed himself to be extremely curious. When they tired to capture his picture, he repudiated this vehemently, alleging that he was father to a little girl, the same age as Madeleine and was in the middle of a divorce.

Confronted with this incoherent comportment, Robert Murat, showed much nervousness and offered to stop providing services, if that was our desire.

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Post by Woofer on 25.08.14 22:18

Silvia Batista was also a translator - she was an employee of MW (Head of Maintenance).  She also knew the Murat family well.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm
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Post by sharonl on 25.08.14 22:45

@Woofer wrote:Silvia Batista was also a translator - she was an employee of MW (Head of Maintenance).  She also knew the Murat family well.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

It's not looking good is it?  Any idea who the passer by was?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

At once the respondent and his Mother went to look in the garden, walled with a fence of 1m in height, checking if the child had managed to enter, which in a way was almost impossible without aid. In one corner of the garden is a greenhouse, which was searched, and then they saw an English passer-by on the outside, he does not know the identity. When asked about this, he was told that the child had disappeared. Accompanied by that person, he went to the place of the disappearance, and was introduced to the parents of the child, as he spoke the two languages, Portuguese and English. Assumes that the passer-by would be staying at the Luz Ocean Club, in the block opposite the home of the respondent. This individual already knew the parents of MADELEINE, or met them at the time].

He started a conversation with the family of the child, offering to help. Together with an officer of the GNR and an employee of the resort with several keys, entered several apartments, opened with the keys or by the tenants in order to locate the child. Some of the apartments were closed and there were no keys, these sites were flagged by the GNR man.
--- At that time he met John Hill, manager of MARK WARNER, who supplied them with more keys to other apartments.

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Post by petunia on 25.08.14 23:13

and the husband of Fiona wearing clear pants, beige she thinks.
  
Gosh i hadn't read her statement before  Woofer, i alway's thought i had read it that it  was Gerry wearing beige pants? I also ponder why Robert's mum Jenny set up a camper van asking people who, maybe didn't want to go to the police to pass information on to her.Was it her idea or Roberts i wonder? also what became of the book she was writing. 

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Post by Lance De Boils on 26.08.14 12:54

@sharonl wrote:
@aquila wrote:They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.


The work   [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Before  [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered   [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.



Does that mean previous work on the McCann case, or another?

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From the same source as quoted above, I'm pointing out, below, more about RM's 'nosiness':

... Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation ...

... he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.


... an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious....

...  I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces
[items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry...

...the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" ... and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses


I wonder... who was he really working on behalf of, and what was his brief?
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Post by sharonl on 26.08.14 15:40

@Lance De Boils wrote:
@sharonl wrote:
@aquila wrote:They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.


The work   [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Before  [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered   [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.



Does that mean previous work on the McCann case, or another?

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From the same source as quoted above, I'm pointing out, below, more about RM's 'nosiness':

... Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation ...

... he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.


... an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious....

...  I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces
[items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry...

...the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" ... and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses


I wonder... who was he really working on behalf of, and what was his brief?

And meanwhile, his 71 year old mother has set up a stall next to the green camper van, where she is encouraging witnesses who don't want to go the police, to pass information about Madeleine onto her.

Extracted from: 986 to 992 External diligence in Lagos regarding Robert Murat 2007.05.12
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm#p4p986

At 13h05 the target goes to a roadside bench sited in Rua 1 de Maio, Luz. In this place he speaks with an elderly woman who was there in order to gather information about the disappearance of the child. This bench, it was clearly said in the media, is being attended by a lady who is in Portugal for several years, and who was there to receive information about Madeleine from people who had some reluctance to communicate it to the authorities. This woman is the mother of the observed person and identifies herself as JA Murat.

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Post by Hicks on 26.08.14 16:41

This question has probably been resolved, apologies if so.

Does anyone know the confirmed name of the bald playground man?

He was seen before Madeleine's disappearance, oddly watching her play, and seen after with Murat.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QldrzxvBHk4/Sen4B-0m1VI/AAAAAAAAAZk/z48m-XAFEDE/s1600-h/Bald1-1.jpg.

I have read, several times, that he is possibly in the PJ. Also there are rumours he may have travelled back to PDL with Murat on May 1st.

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Post by Woofer on 26.08.14 16:52

@petunia wrote:and the husband of Fiona wearing clear pants, beige she thinks.
  
Gosh i hadn't read her statement before  Woofer, i alway's thought i had read it that it  was Gerry wearing beige pants? I also ponder why Robert's mum Jenny set up a camper van asking people who, maybe didn't want to go to the police to pass information on to her.Was it her idea or Roberts i wonder? also what became of the book she was writing. 

What I find interesting is that Silvia Batista confirms that RM was there on the night of the 3rd.  Although she had known Mr. and Mrs Murat for many years she did not know they had a son.  It was only the next day that someone else identified him to her as the Murat`s son and this was the same man she had seen the night before.
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Post by sharonl on 26.08.14 17:12

Going slightly off topic here, but were we aware that Murat was a Jehova witness?

Ian CI: 139..., phone in the Mr Ian Cxxxxx's house ...in Exeter, "ansião" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Exeter with whom he maintains a close relationship because he had been his Bible teacher in Exeter;

1947 to 1956 Interrogation of arguido Robert Murat 2007.07.10

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Post by sallypelt on 26.08.14 17:17

@sharonl wrote:Going slightly off topic here, but were we aware that Murat was a Jehova witness?

Ian CI: 139..., phone in the Mr Ian Cxxxxx's house ...in Exeter, "ansião" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Exeter with whom he maintains a close relationship because he had been his Bible teacher in Exeter;

1947 to 1956 Interrogation of arguido    Robert Murat 2007.07.10

I can remember reading that R Murat wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, but he "attended Jehovah's Witness classes". I will look to see if I can find the article.

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Post by sallypelt on 26.08.14 17:23

@sallypelt wrote:
@sharonl wrote:Going slightly off topic here, but were we aware that Murat was a Jehova witness?

Ian CI: 139..., phone in the Mr Ian Cxxxxx's house ...in Exeter, "ansião" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Exeter with whom he maintains a close relationship because he had been his Bible teacher in Exeter;

1947 to 1956 Interrogation of arguido    Robert Murat 2007.07.10

I can remember reading that R Murat wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, but he "attended Jehovah's Witness classes". I will look to see if I can find the article.

Here it is:

He has since formed a relationship with a thirty-something German property saleswoman, Michaela Walczuch, who lives with her husband in nearby Lagos.


They have been described as lovers, but Murat denies this. "She's my partner, and we are very, very, very close - but she's not my girlfriend because she can't be. She's a Jehovah's Witness and she's still married. I'm not a Witness, but I attend study classes."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-459316/Madeleine-Is-Robert-Murat-suspect-scapegoat.html#ixzz3BZDRywC2


Then he goes on to marry her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-459316/Madeleine-Is-Robert-Murat-suspect-scapegoat.html

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Post by sharonl on 26.08.14 17:31

@Woofer wrote:
@petunia wrote:and the husband of Fiona wearing clear pants, beige she thinks.
  
Gosh i hadn't read her statement before  Woofer, i alway's thought i had read it that it  was Gerry wearing beige pants? I also ponder why Robert's mum Jenny set up a camper van asking people who, maybe didn't want to go to the police to pass information on to her.Was it her idea or Roberts i wonder? also what became of the book she was writing. 

What I find interesting is that Silvia Batista confirms that RM was there on the night of the 3rd.  Although she had known Mr. and Mrs Murat for many years she did not know they had a son.  It was only the next day that someone else identified him to her as the Murat`s son and this was the same man she had seen the night before.

Is this the link that your looking for?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

SECOND PAGE BATISTA
She's here as a witness. She is responsible for maintenance in the Ocean Club Resort located in Praia da Luz - Lagos. Because of her profession she knows many people of the English community, who live in Praia da Luz.
She knows the Murat (sic !) family, who has been there for about 30 years. In particular Mr. Murat and his wife Jenny. Mr. Murat was linked to building business and development of tourism enterprises, in Salema in her opinion. Mr. Murat died some years ago.
The Murat live in a house named "casa Liliana", near the Ocean Club.
Asked, she said not to remember whether the Murats have any child.
Asked, she said that on the night when Madeleine McCain (sic...) disappeared (03-05-2007), she was called by her boss, at about at 22:30. As she lives in Lagos she arrived shortly after at the resort. Close to the apartment A-5 of the OC there were already about 60 people to look for the girl.
She remembers, although she is not absolutely certain, given the time already elapsed, that an individual of about 1,70m, short light brown hair, with thin framed and light brown glasses, wanted from the start to help finding the child Madeleine McCann.
She doesn't remember at what time she saw him.
She doesn't remember how he was dressed up.
She doesn't remember who was with him, whether he came walking or in some vehicle. That same individual, she was told later, is the son of Morat, his first name is ROBERT.
Robert speaks fluently English and Portuguese. He helped the GNR of Lagos and later the PJ, translating the testimony of some British persons.
She admits as possible that Paul and June of the bar "Duke of Holland" and Mr. Byron of the firm JNB (management of properties in PDL) should be able to confirm if Robert Murat was there when Madeleine disappeared, and eventually other details.
She states that she spoke for the first time with Robert on Saturday (05-05-2007) or Sunday (06-05-2007) or may be on Monday (07-05-2007), during the breaks between the interviews in which he participated as a translator.
She describes him as a very sympathetic and direct guy. RM was very communicative and extrovert during the conversations they had together. He didn't mention any personal subject.
She ratified and will sign...............................

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 26.08.14 17:49

@Hicks wrote:This question has probably been resolved, apologies if so.

Does anyone know the confirmed name of the bald playground man?

He was seen before Madeleine's disappearance, oddly watching her play, and seen after with Murat.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QldrzxvBHk4/Sen4B-0m1VI/AAAAAAAAAZk/z48m-XAFEDE/s1600-h/Bald1-1.jpg.

I have read, several times, that he is possibly in the PJ. Also there are rumours he may have travelled back to PDL with Murat on May 1st.

That would be Raj Balu Hicks. A consultant/director for Cooper Tuff, a immigration firm. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm
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Post by aquila on 26.08.14 19:57

@Lance De Boils wrote:
@sharonl wrote:
@aquila wrote:They're all valid questions sharonl but number 3 interests me beyond the others.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm

Service Information document dated 11 May 2007 from Inspector Pedro Varanda relating to an informal conversation with Robert Murat

As you will know, Sir, on this day at 11h30, there appeared before the undersigned and (lady) Inspector Patricia Duarte, a British citizen called Diane Webster, holder of UK passport XXXXXXX, in order to hear her witness statement.

In the course of an informal approach that preceeded that work, it was determined that she was not conversant in Portuguese, written or spoken, and the service of an English-speaking interpreter was therefore called for.

In this function appeared a British citizen, Robert J.Q.E. Murat (duly identified in the files from previous work), official resident of Casa Liliana, Rua Ramalhete, Praia da Luz, Lagos.


The work   [the DW interview] being concluded, and during an informal conversation that the undersigned began with that interpreter (as would be characteristic in this type of situation), Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation that was developing around the disappearance of the minor Madeleine McCann that occurred on 3 May 2007.

As an example, it will be proper to point out that he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.

Before  [faced with] such an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious, I always countered   [ducked the questions], insistently requesting that person to be aware of the contractual duties pertaining to the role which he has assumed in this investigation, pointing out that it was presently the inquiry phase, and, naturally, covered by judicial secrecy.



Does that mean previous work on the McCann case, or another?

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From the same source as quoted above, I'm pointing out, below, more about RM's 'nosiness':

... Robert Murat displayed an unusual curiosity about the investigation ...

... he has insistently and repeatedly questioned me about the identity of possible suspects, about the strategy outlined by the lead coordinator of the investigation and the work that might possibly have been considered for the coming days.


... an attitude, that was so unusual and absolutely inappropriate that I immediately became highly suspicious....

...  I became aware that Robert Murat would covertly attempt to catch glimpses of various procedural pieces
[items being prepared for the case file] that make up the present inquiry...

...the suspicious attitude shown by Robert Murat, I venture still to state that, beyond having manifested an enormous knowledge about the dynamics inherent in the functioning of the "Ocean Club Garden" ... and of the routines followed by the McCann family and their companions during their respective stays in in Praia da Luz, he has tried persistently to influence the conduct of the present investigation, suggesting various analyses


I wonder... who was he really working on behalf of, and what was his brief?
Indeed LDB.

Did the PJ engage his services at this time or any other time previously?

Was he paid for this work? (iirc he was paid by Norfolk Police for translation work)

Did the PJ have official translators on their books that could have been engaged? Bit of a silly question but one that needs to be asked imo. If so, were they approached/considered? This can hardly be the only case in Portugal that needed a Portuguese/English translator can it!

When translating did he sign a contract of terms and conditions for that service with the PJ?

Was he presented by the PJ as an official translator and if not how did he present himself to the McCanns and their lawyer as a translator?

It all boils down to who engaged the translation services of Robert Murat? I for one can't accept that he just rocked up and was allowed to translate sensitive interviews on the grounds he was a local, spoke both languages and offered to be helpful.

As with all things in this case one question creates a hundred.

Just my opinion.
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Re: Under what circumstances did Robert Murat secure the job of interpreter in the McCann case?

Post by Hicks on 26.08.14 21:13

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@Hicks wrote:This question has probably been resolved, apologies if so.

Does anyone know the confirmed name of the bald playground man?

He was seen before Madeleine's disappearance, oddly watching her play, and seen after with Murat.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QldrzxvBHk4/Sen4B-0m1VI/AAAAAAAAAZk/z48m-XAFEDE/s1600-h/Bald1-1.jpg.

I have read, several times, that he is possibly in the PJ. Also there are rumours he may have travelled back to PDL with Murat on May 1st.

That would be Raj Balu Hicks. A consultant/director for Cooper Tuff, a immigration firm. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm
Thanks. He did get about didn't he!

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 26.08.14 21:43

No problem Hicks. Just glad to actually remember something for a change! banana
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Post by LombardySkeptik on 26.08.14 21:45

In my view RM was not actively involved in any of this - though perhaps he is not an entirely innocent law abiding chap (hence his subsequent contradictory statements and behaviour) 

Has anyone considered that RM was just himself suspicious about the McCanns from the very beginning and just rather clumsily got himself too involved - and thereafter attracting the interest of Team McCann/MSM for their own obvious reasons

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Post by petunia on 26.08.14 21:51

Hicks.Iv'e read his statement and reread his statement, and reread his statement,and have come to the conclusion he was so pissed he couldn't remember if he left the bar with Neil or not Imo and my opinion only his statement is like a sieve,full of holes.

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Post by Hicks on 26.08.14 22:07

@petunia wrote:Hicks.Iv'e read his statement and reread his statement, and reread his statement,and have come to the conclusion he was so pissed he couldn't remember if he left the bar with Neil or not Imo and my opinion only his statement is like a sieve,full of holes.
I have done the same petunia. And came to much the same conclusion. confused

This is worth a read. 

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t17692p15-police-payments-sun-reporter-arrested.

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