Now its making sense why so much is being spent on this case

by Sceptic 16.10.13 13:01

We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.

by bristow 16.10.13 13:03

Sceptic wrote:We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.

by Mirage 16.10.13 13:08

bristow wrote:
Sceptic wrote:We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.

Maybe that's why they've looked a bit peaky lately.

by windchime 16.10.13 13:17

Clever thinking - would it not be a good idea to use this thread to post everything and anything the McCanns and their P. Detectives issued as 'evidence'. Perhaps this has already been done but if not I think you have hit on something big here. The McCanns obviously read this forum, that became blindingly obvious on Monday during the CW programme, so much had changed and can only have been due to the hard work of all of you guys who have worked on this for years. So to look at what they and their PDs put out into the media as their version of events and then compare it to the statements given to the PJ and British Police, it may just point to something very very interesting. Just a thought!

by Guest 16.10.13 13:21

I wish I could agree with you but after seeing the CW programme I do think it was intended to change people's perceptions of the McCanns and Jane Tanner. The omission of David and Fiona Payne and Dianne Webster and the omission of David's check. The convenient introduction of the father carrying his child, no matter that he was going in the wrong direction. This to me was intended to be aired at the time when they believed that the true facts of the case would be coming out of Lisbon. They didn't reckon on the delays though. That said, I am hopeful that the mistiming has generated so much interest now that the public are now delving a bit deeper for information. The Smith sighting is the Pandora's box imo . A PR exercise gone wrong .......

by Sceptic 16.10.13 13:26

windchime wrote:Clever thinking - would it not be a good idea to use this thread to post everything and anything the McCanns and their P. Detectives issued as 'evidence'. Perhaps this has already been done but if not I think you have hit on something big here. The McCanns obviously read this forum, that became blindingly obvious on Monday during the CW programme, so much had changed and can only have been due to the hard work of all of you guys who have worked on this for years. So to look at what they and their PDs put out into the media as their version of events and then compare it to the statements given to the PJ and British Police, it may just point to something very very interesting. Just a thought!

Personally it will be better for posts relating to what comes out in the media in the future that has been found in the private investigation files that was buried and not acted on or released to the media.

The implications if team mccann are/hAve been found to have held back info relevant to the search for madeleine will be far reaching

by SixMillionQuid 16.10.13 13:30

Sceptic wrote:We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.

Interesting post. The only problem I have is that the crecheman explanation wasn't mentioned in the previous Crimewatch appeal earlier this year. Therefore he must have appeared on the SY radar between then and now - a matter of six months?

1. If crecheman has been buried for so long in their McCanns PI files how can the McCanns be confident in any of their private investigators?
2. Why has crecheman taken so long to try and clear his identity when he's been featured everywhere for the past six years.

by Sceptic 16.10.13 13:54

SixMillionQuid wrote:
Sceptic wrote:We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.
Interesting post. The only problem I have is that the crecheman explanation wasn't mentioned in the previous Crimewatch appeal earlier this year. Therefore he must have appeared on the SY radar between then and now - a matter of six months?

1. If crecheman has been buried for so long in their McCanns PI files how can the McCanns be confident in any of their private investigators?
2. Why has crecheman taken so long to try and clear his identity when he's been featured everywhere for the past six years.

In reply to your questions

!. do you think it is in the mccanns best interest fot tannerman to have been discounted

2. His approach to private the investigation team could have been anytime since October 2007 yes the met may have only found it fairly recently buried in the PI files

by notlongnow 16.10.13 13:58

Surely if they were aware this man had been found years ago they would have destroyed any info on it?

I do wonder who had full control of mondays CW.

Would be good to think they were not aware of new info and then watch there reaction in the live part.

by ProfessorPPlum 16.10.13 14:09

SixMillionQuid wrote:
1. If crecheman has been buried for so long in their McCanns PI files how can the McCanns be confident in any of their private investigators?
2. Why has crecheman taken so long to try and clear his identity when he's been featured everywhere for the past six years.

SixMQ

If the McCanns *are* guilty of concealing a death, then burying dangerous stuff and creating safe, new outward-looking 'leads' would be EXACTLY what they'd want their 'P.I.s' to be doing (to giving the world the impression the Mcs were trying to find Madeleine's 'abductor')

As for crecheman... I'd love to imagine him being found buried in the dodgy PI files along with Smithman. That would be too good. But that would mean a) he had a reason for not coming forward in the first place and b) even after going into the PI files, he still - for some reason - didn't come forward to either PJ or later SY.

Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is that crecheman doesn't and never did exist. There are many good reasons why, if I was Redwood, I might invent him not least to focus in the entire UK on the Smith sighting via a single TV show. Neat.

by **tigger** 16.10.13 14:14

The Tanner sighting made Gerry 100% safe. Excluding him from having anything to do with the abduction.

That 100% exclusion is now shottopieces, together with plenty of information on the files and Internet, such as the 80% conviction of the Smiths that it was Gerry they saw.

That's 20% -one fifth of doubt, I.e. 4 out of 5 people believe it was Gerry. One out of five isn't sure.

by SixMillionQuid 16.10.13 14:26

ProfessorPPlum wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
1. If crecheman has been buried for so long in their McCanns PI files how can the McCanns be confident in any of their private investigators?
2. Why has crecheman taken so long to try and clear his identity when he's been featured everywhere for the past six years.
SixMQ

If the McCanns *are* guilty of concealing a death, then burying dangerous stuff and creating safe, new outward-looking 'leads' would be EXACTLY what they'd want their 'P.I.s' to be doing (to giving the world the impression the Mcs were trying to find Madeleine's 'abductor')

As for crecheman... I'd love to imagine him being found buried in the dodgy PI files along with Smithman. That would be too good. But that would mean a) he had a reason for not coming forward in the first place and b) even after going into the PI files, he still - for some reason - didn't come forward to either PJ or later SY.

Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is that crecheman doesn't and never did exist. There are many good reasons why, if I was Redwood, I might invent him not least to focus in the entire UK on the Smith sighting via a single TV show. Neat.

That's my view too. Now that some newspapers appear to have a name to the Smith sighting I'm curious to see what name SY come with.

by galena 16.10.13 14:34

Sceptic wrote:We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.

That wouldn't surprise me. I watched a programme on Tv recently about the Australian Backpack serial killer. A British guy who narrowly escaped being a victim rang the Australian police to tell them what had happened and give a detailed description of the guy and his vehicle. This ended up buried in files for months until an enterprising officer dug it up, rang the guy and finally he was able to fly to Australia to identify the potential suspect. These things happen!

It strikes me as very suspicious the way the McCanns focused on the Tanner sighting and ignored the Smith sighting. One would think that parents desperate to find their child would want to leave no avenue unexplored - I know I would.

by jeanmonroe 16.10.13 14:34

Has SY found and talked to the 'man' who TOLD the 'barrister' that Madeleine is on a Mediterranean island?
Surely GMP would have 'hot lined' the barrister's 'information' to SY and they would have been on the first flight (or even private jet) to 'mysterious island', wouldn't they?
I mean the barrister KNEW what island the 'man' was talking about.
I haven't seen any arrests made on mysterious island, as yet.
Anyone?

by SixMillionQuid 16.10.13 14:35

Sceptic wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
Sceptic wrote:We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.
Interesting post. The only problem I have is that the crecheman explanation wasn't mentioned in the previous Crimewatch appeal earlier this year. Therefore he must have appeared on the SY radar between then and now - a matter of six months?

1. If crecheman has been buried for so long in their McCanns PI files how can the McCanns be confident in any of their private investigators?
2. Why has crecheman taken so long to try and clear his identity when he's been featured everywhere for the past six years.
In reply to your questions

!. do you think it is in the mccanns best interest fot tannerman to have been discounted

Is it in their best interests?

If the PJ were still on this case then I would imagine McCann's would be spending a lot of time in the loo. As GA has now stated the focus is now on the Smith sighting. At least we know what one of the Smith's has said about the identity and I'm sure Operation Grange is aware of this too, which is why I can't reconcile why they would say in public that the McCanns are not suspects - I think someone has Tweeted that they've repeated this statement. So at this moment in this I dont think the McCanns have anyting to worry about even if 300 callers think its Gerry McCann.

by Sceptic 16.10.13 15:14

SixMillionQuid wrote:
Sceptic wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
Sceptic wrote:We have now been given the information that the e-fits of smithman were retained by the private investigators and never passed on to the PJ

The abducting father returning home from the creche appears to be either getting critisised for not coming forward till now or others are doubting his authenticity and are saying he is a fabricated part of a whitewash

IMHO i feel for sometime the met have been working at a pace for sometime - they moved from review to investigation and the government agreed to continue funding not based on missed leads within the pj files but what was found and buried in the private investigators files.

The photofit of tannerman was released by team mccann along with their investigation line phone number - on 25th October 2007, so if crecheman contacted the mccann investigation hotline at that time and redwood and his team found it buried along with the smithman e-fits that would not only be a revelation moment it would be an EUREKA moment and well worth spending a few million quid of taxpayers money on in celebration.
Interesting post. The only problem I have is that the crecheman explanation wasn't mentioned in the previous Crimewatch appeal earlier this year. Therefore he must have appeared on the SY radar between then and now - a matter of six months?

1. If crecheman has been buried for so long in their McCanns PI files how can the McCanns be confident in any of their private investigators?
2. Why has crecheman taken so long to try and clear his identity when he's been featured everywhere for the past six years.
In reply to your questions

!. do you think it is in the mccanns best interest fot tannerman to have been discounted

Is it in their best interests?

If the PJ were still on this case then I would imagine McCann's would be spending a lot of time in the loo. As GA has now stated the focus is now on the Smith sighting. At least we know what one of the Smith's has said about the identity and I'm sure Operation Grange is aware of this too, which is why I can't reconcile why they would say in public that the McCanns are not suspects - I think someone has Tweeted that they've repeated this statement. So at this moment in this I dont think the McCanns have anyting to worry about even if 300 callers think its Gerry McCann.

I treat DCI Redwoods statement regarding The Mccanns suspect status in the same manner i treat a football clubs chairman vote of confidence in the manager alongside statements of theyll still be here at the end of the season

by russiandoll 16.10.13 15:27

tigger wrote:The Tanner sighting made Gerry 100% safe. Excluding him from having anything to do with the abduction.

That 100% exclusion is now shottopieces, together with plenty of information on the files and Internet, such as the 80% conviction of the Smiths that it was Gerry they saw.

That's 20% -one fifth of doubt, I.e. 4 out of 5 people believe it was Gerry. One out of five isn't sure.

Tigger, I think it was 60-80 % of ONE of the Smiths, Martin and he said his wife was the only one of the group who agreed with him. She also did not want to give a second statement. More than Martin described the appearance and clothes, only M and wife thought it was probably G.

Interesting Peter Smith, the son, said he would be willing to be hypnotised to help his memory !

by ultimaThule 16.10.13 16:05

russiandoll wrote:
tigger wrote:The Tanner sighting made Gerry 100% safe. Excluding him from having anything to do with the abduction.

That 100% exclusion is now shottopieces, together with plenty of information on the files and Internet, such as the 80% conviction of the Smiths that it was Gerry they saw.

That's 20% -one fifth of doubt, I.e. 4 out of 5 people believe it was Gerry. One out of five isn't sure.
Tigger, I think it was 60-80 % of ONE of the Smiths, Martin and he said his wife was the only one of the group who agreed with him. She also did not want to give a second statement. More than Martin described the appearance and clothes, only M and wife thought it was probably G.

Interesting Peter Smith, the son, said he would be willing to be hypnotised to help his memory !

Aw, bless. It's easy to tell Peter has been raised by caring and responsible parents.

by Cristobell 16.10.13 16:07

I have done a blog on the Smith sighting if anyone would like to read it. As always, happy if anyone wants to c/p it onto here :)

http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/