April Jones search: Madeleine McCann expert drafted in

tigger wrote:from McCannfiles:
Highly respected forensic psychologist Dr Joe Sullivan arrived in Praia da Luz within 48 hours of Madeleine's disappearance (according to Martin Brunt - reports at the time stated 08 May 2007), as part of a so-called 'Cracker' team with Detective Superintendent Graham Hill. He returned to the UK on 09 May 2007.

He later helped in the production of, and personally narrated, the A Minute for Madeleine campaign video; An appeal directly to the person who is keeping a 'secret' about Madeleine, 'who knows who's involved in her disappearance' and who may have been groomed by the perpetrator(s) to stay quiet.

In January 2010, he shared a stage with Gerry McCann at the CEOP conference entitled: 'Taken: Sexually-motivated child abductions', although Gerry McCann, despite being booked as the closing speech, spoke earlier in the day and would have missed the speech by Dr Joe Sullivan.
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So it took only 48 hours then, at least twice as long when it's on the doorstep so to speak.
He was 100% wrong on the MMc case and I'd like to see a record of his successes if there are any. I've trawled through a few sites and read a few speeches which basically tell us a few obvious facts about paedophiles. What I rarely read is about a control issue with this type of criminal. It's very evident in the JS case and the video where he boasts that he tied people up and put them in the cellar.
Some men cannot cope with women unless they are completely under their control, children are easier to manage. I can't see Bridger as a paedophile, otherwise why should he have so many relationships with women? I do see him as a control fanatic who could really go off the rails if he gets ditched by a woman instead of he other way round.
Just my opinion. This wasn't planned either imo. He was furious about something that evening it seems, the psychology is simple, tantrum - revenge.

tigger wrote:Full moon was on the 2nd of May 2007, but I take your point. I don't sleep well during a full moon and I have friends who don't either. A certain restlessness. I think I'm pretty sane.
Since the moon influences the tides and we're mostly made of water, I can't see why there shouldn't be an effect on people.

But I don't think the moon was a factor in the disappearance of Maddie.

Woofer wrote:

tigger wrote:Full moon was on the 2nd of May 2007, but I take your point. I don't sleep well during a full moon and I have friends who don't either. A certain restlessness. I think I'm pretty sane.
Since the moon influences the tides and we're mostly made of water, I can't see why there shouldn't be an effect on people.

But I don't think the moon was a factor in the disappearance of Maddie.

Doesn`t have to be exact Tigger, the lead up can be worse. I`m not saying its the cause, but I believe it could have been a factor in the days before the 3rd, well let`s just say it intensified or exaggerated the feelings (whatever type they may be, whether lust, jealousy, anger, irritability etc., they always seem to be of the negative type) in the days before.

Woofer wrote:

tigger wrote:from McCannfiles:
Highly respected forensic psychologist Dr Joe Sullivan arrived in Praia da Luz within 48 hours of Madeleine's disappearance (according to Martin Brunt - reports at the time stated 08 May 2007), as part of a so-called 'Cracker' team with Detective Superintendent Graham Hill. He returned to the UK on 09 May 2007.

He later helped in the production of, and personally narrated, the A Minute for Madeleine campaign video; An appeal directly to the person who is keeping a 'secret' about Madeleine, 'who knows who's involved in her disappearance' and who may have been groomed by the perpetrator(s) to stay quiet.

In January 2010, he shared a stage with Gerry McCann at the CEOP conference entitled: 'Taken: Sexually-motivated child abductions', although Gerry McCann, despite being booked as the closing speech, spoke earlier in the day and would have missed the speech by Dr Joe Sullivan.
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So it took only 48 hours then, at least twice as long when it's on the doorstep so to speak.
He was 100% wrong on the MMc case and I'd like to see a record of his successes if there are any. I've trawled through a few sites and read a few speeches which basically tell us a few obvious facts about paedophiles. What I rarely read is about a control issue with this type of criminal. It's very evident in the JS case and the video where he boasts that he tied people up and put them in the cellar.
Some men cannot cope with women unless they are completely under their control, children are easier to manage. I can't see Bridger as a paedophile, otherwise why should he have so many relationships with women? I do see him as a control fanatic who could really go off the rails if he gets ditched by a woman instead of he other way round.
Just my opinion. This wasn't planned either imo. He was furious about something that evening it seems, the psychology is simple, tantrum - revenge.

In my experience and through monitoring of control fanatics and some people with personality disorders, having worked in mental health for many years, their is a definite pattern of extremely heightened and/or exaggerated emotions at the time of the full moon or when the sun and moon are in challenging aspect to each other. Scientific studies have always said there is no basis in this but there definitely is (maybe because they want to discredit things they don`t have answers for). There was a full moon when April went missing, a full moon when Tia went missing and a full moon when Madeleine went missing. These are just the most recent cases.

bobbin wrote:[...]

The word 'lunatic' is the description for someone who behaves in an mad, over excitable, out of control, fashion. 'Luna' being latin for moon, the concept of behaviour being affected by full moon goes back to whenever.

Regarding the tides, the moon can lift sea water some 32 feet. We are mainly water, can we seriously deny that the water molecules in our brains can categorically NOT be subject to some subtle effect or other.

PeterMac wrote:And there are farmers who only sow seed at certain phases of the moon. The thinking is that even ground water will move up and down in the same way as the spring and neap tides. I am not sure of any scientific analysis, but that should be very easy to do. Just poke a series of sensors into the ground at different depths, and wait for a month.

bobbin wrote:

PeterMac wrote:And there are farmers who only sow seed at certain phases of the moon. The thinking is that even ground water will move up and down in the same way as the spring and neap tides. I am not sure of any scientific analysis, but that should be very easy to do. Just poke a series of sensors into the ground at different depths, and wait for a month.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Don't wait for 'scientific approval' before you can believe something. That comes at the end of the knowledge road.

'Science' comes from Latin word 'scire' to 'know'. Something only becomes a statement of scientific fact once all the simple ideas, observations, testing, anecdotal passed-on-information, leading to an ability to predict outcome, becomes established. Trust the observations in nature, the ancient and the hands-on wisdoms. Just because we may not have the technology or the wit, to test or verify something, does not mean that eons of anecdotal experience and observation are invalid.

ETA. one of my cats lives away in the nature reserve but comes home, each time, before the weather changes for the worse.
He is always correct and the locals now call him the 'weather cat'. The forecasters predictions are often wrong, he is always correct. Now, tell me how that happens.

Woofer wrote:

bobbin wrote:

PeterMac wrote:And there are farmers who only sow seed at certain phases of the moon. The thinking is that even ground water will move up and down in the same way as the spring and neap tides. I am not sure of any scientific analysis, but that should be very easy to do. Just poke a series of sensors into the ground at different depths, and wait for a month.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Don't wait for 'scientific approval' before you can believe something. That comes at the end of the knowledge road.

'Science' comes from Latin word 'scire' to 'know'. Something only becomes a statement of scientific fact once all the simple ideas, observations, testing, anecdotal passed-on-information, leading to an ability to predict outcome, becomes established. Trust the observations in nature, the ancient and the hands-on wisdoms. Just because we may not have the technology or the wit, to test or verify something, does not mean that eons of anecdotal experience and observation are invalid.

ETA. one of my cats lives away in the nature reserve but comes home, each time, before the weather changes for the worse.
He is always correct and the locals now call him the 'weather cat'. The forecasters predictions are often wrong, he is always correct. Now, tell me how that happens.

Bobbin - my friend`s cat was similar and she reckoned it was because animals are more sensitive to changes in atmospheric pressure.

Miraflores wrote:I once had a boss who used to have outbursts of rage periodically. We started keeping a chart to see whether it was correlated to the phases of the moon. I can't remember know whether we found a correlation - he left thankfully.

PeterMac wrote:And there are farmers who only sow seed at certain phases of the moon. The thinking is that even ground water will move up and down in the same way as the spring and neap tides. I am not sure of any scientific analysis, but that should be very easy to do. Just poke a series of sensors into the ground at different depths, and wait for a month.

Châtelaine wrote:

PeterMac wrote:And there are farmers who only sow seed at certain phases of the moon. The thinking is that even ground water will move up and down in the same way as the spring and neap tides. I am not sure of any scientific analysis, but that should be very easy to do. Just poke a series of sensors into the ground at different depths, and wait for a month.

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I can give you an example again: my late mother-in-law was always growing plants and flowers from seeds. Once, long long time again, I bought a nice collection of those and gave her half of it. She had plenty of flowers and vegetables, I had hardly anything, even though I nursed them according to the book. She later explained to me that I had been sowing at the wrong moon cycle. Yes ... there's more between heaven and earth ...

Châtelaine wrote:

PeterMac wrote:And there are farmers who only sow seed at certain phases of the moon. The thinking is that even ground water will move up and down in the same way as the spring and neap tides. I am not sure of any scientific analysis, but that should be very easy to do. Just poke a series of sensors into the ground at different depths, and wait for a month.

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I can give you an example again: my late mother-in-law was always growing plants and flowers from seeds. Once, long long time again, I bought a nice collection of those and gave her half of it. She had plenty of flowers and vegetables, I had hardly anything, even though I nursed them according to the book. She later explained to me that I had been sowing at the wrong moon cycle. Yes ... there's more between heaven and earth ...