This case should have been solved early on

by mira2 16.05.12 22:24

The ingrediants were there from the off, this was a family affair.

There is no point speculating on reams of he said this she said that, if we want to get to the facts we have to concentrate on events leading up to that so called family holiday and the immediate weeks following, the rest is damage limitation exercise paid for by public donations.

I can well remember Amaral's outburst and as a result his removal from the case, at the time I was livid that he made the accusations that he did, later on I came to understand the pressure that he was under and just how sinister this case had become.

It is no surprise to me that the proprieter of News of the World and all the other connections to one very sinister individual whose share of the media in the UK was long bordering on EXCESSIVE has a connection to this case.

Kate tells us in here bookie wooky the one that I will not be buying that her and Gerry were invited to dinner by a very special guy blah blah blah

by Gillyspot 16.05.12 22:41

mira2 wrote:The ingrediants were there from the off, this was a family affair.

There is no point speculating on reams of he said this she said that, if we want to get to the facts we have to concentrate on events leading up to that so called family holiday and the immediate weeks following, the rest is damage limitation exercise paid for by public donations.

I can well remember Amaral's outburst and as a result his removal from the case, at the time I was livid that he made the accusations that he did, later on I came to understand the pressure that he was under and just how sinister this case had become.

It is no surprise to me that the proprieter of News of the World and all the other connections to one very sinister individual whose share of the media in the UK was long bordering on EXCESSIVE has a connection to this case.

Kate tells us in here bookie wooky the one that I will not be buying that her and Gerry were invited to dinner by a very special guy blah blah blah

Hi mira2, IMO if the "abduction" had happened in the UK then this farce wouldn't never have happened. The dogs would have been brought in much earlier. In my it was UK political (probably thanks to Rebekah Wade (now Brooks)) that made it possible for the McCanns' to carry out this charade. I recall reading an article around the time about Murdoch and said he considered the Madeleine McCann story as his new "Diana" - The use of poor Princess Diana having sold millions of his papers for years (even many years after her death) but it was wearing thin with UK public by then. So Madeleine became the new "Diana". Destined to live in the eyes of the media as long as it sells stories.

Sadly the new revelations about Rebekah Brooks threatening or persuading Cameron to a 24 hour volte face regarding a "review" only makes me more convinced.

Poor, poor Madeleine sad1

by **tigger** 17.05.12 7:16

mira2 wrote:The ingrediants were there from the off, this was a family affair.

There is no point speculating on reams of he said this she said that, if we want to get to the facts we have to concentrate on events leading up to that so called family holiday and the immediate weeks following, the rest is damage limitation exercise paid for by public donations.

I can well remember Amaral's outburst and as a result his removal from the case, at the time I was livid that he made the accusations that he did, later on I came to understand the pressure that he was under and just how sinister this case had become.

It is no surprise to me that the proprieter of News of the World and all the other connections to one very sinister individual whose share of the media in the UK was long bordering on EXCESSIVE has a connection to this case.

Kate tells us in here bookie wooky the one that I will not be buying that her and Gerry were invited to dinner by a very special guy blah blah blah

'This was a family affair'. Exactly - and planned and executed mainly by Gerry - describing the dynamics between G and K would take a whole chapter. So no. Definitely the rest of the family know most of the story.
I do think that Gerry had a line to 'a big brother' who would have to help if asked. There was planning preparation and advice prior to the big career move, I'm sure. I am sure that Gerry was a 'man with a plan'.
It's just 'follow the money' - for the parents, the family the somewhat shady friends (not the T7) and most of all for the press. The Sun still has the largest circulation, but even so circulation overall on all tabloids was on a downward slide. One tabloid (forget which) has had its circulation halved since 2001.
We're just watching a marriage made in hell, press and 'the story'.
The poster photo was a master stroke - like Pavlov's dogs, the public reacts as desired by way of putting it on the front page. It still works for goodness sakes and it's never, ever looked like the child who died. imo.

by Guest 17.05.12 7:55

Gillyspot wrote:I recall reading an article around the time about Murdoch and said he considered the Madeleine McCann story as his new "Diana" - The use of poor Princess Diana having sold millions of his papers for years (even many years after her death) but it was wearing thin with UK public by then. So Madeleine became the new "Diana". Destined to live in the eyes of the media as long as it sells stories.

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by david_uk 17.05.12 8:39

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Gillyspot wrote:I recall reading an article around the time about Murdoch and said he considered the Madeleine McCann story as his new "Diana" - The use of poor Princess Diana having sold millions of his papers for years (even many years after her death) but it was wearing thin with UK public by then. So Madeleine became the new "Diana". Destined to live in the eyes of the media as long as it sells stories.

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by jmac 17.05.12 9:07

How Madeleine McCann Became A Fictional Character Called ‘Our Maddie’

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]MADDIE WATCH – Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann: Writing in the Guardian, Esther Addley names Our Maddy one of the “Icons of the decade”.

It’s the unsettling mix of the incredibly intimate and the coolly tactical that has made the mystery of Madeleine McCann the biggest and most [color:da86=blue !important][color:da86=blue !important]extraordinary child abduction story in history

No. It isn’t. The disappearance of Madeleine McCann is notable for one thing: the media feeding frenzy. The story itself has one thread: child goes missing. It is a newsworthy event but not the “most extraordinary child abduction story in history”.

The media was attracted not only to the story but to the people involved: middle [color:da86=blue !important][color:da86=blue !important]class, photogenic, erudite professionals. And it helps that Our Maddie is blonde. Addley is right when she says:

Madeleine’s distinctive eye has been central to the search for her since the earliest days. The couple released posters in English and Portuguese in which the letter “o” had been modified to have the same distinctive flash. “Look into my eyes,” read the images: “Olha para os meus olhos.”

Madeleine McCann became a media sensation and a brand. And the parents, savvy media operators, knew its value:

Late in 2007, Gerry McCann gave an interview to an American magazine and talked about the decision to publicise the eye defect. “Certainly we thought it was possible that [the publicity] could possibly hurt her or her abductor might do something to her eye . . . But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”

What it has not done is find Madeleine McCann. The [color:da86=blue !important][color:da86=blue !important]successful marketing ploy, the international campaign to find one missing child, has been a failure. But the [color:da86=blue !important][color:da86=blue !important]single-thread story of Our Maddie, her name itself a media creation, became a thing owned by the press and broadcasters as soon as the McCanns brought in the PRs.

We began to watch the parents. We were invited to. The apparent sightings of the child were part of the show. We didn’t look for Our Maddie – we’d never met her. She existed only in video and pictures. She was not real. But we could watch the parents. The press wanted something to happen. It found people to point the finger at and libel: Robert Murat and the McCanns themselves. Our Maddie was absent from her own story and it didn’t matter.

It is this unsettling mix – of the incredibly intimate and the coolly tactical – that has made the mystery of Madeleine McCann arguably the biggest and most extraordinary child abduction story in history. HL Mencken, the great American essayist and reporter, called the 1932 disappearance of the baby son of aviator Charles Lindbergh “the biggest story since the Resurrection”, but neither the Lindbergh baby kidnap and murder, nor Christ’s rising from the dead, took place in the internet age.

At the story’s apogee, Anorak was getting over 1,000 comments a day for every Our Maddie post. But the comments were in the main against the McCanns or commiserating with them. Not a single person offered a clue, evidence or a confession. What the internet allowed was for the trolls – people who found the disappearance of a child entertaining; who saw it as chance to be heard, however speculative and spiteful their opinions; who were unable to separate fact from fiction – to play armchair detective.

And Our Maddie on the web is no more real than any other celebrity:

Britney Spears was the subject of more internet searches than anyone else this decade, according to research…Osama bin Laden takes second place, with a spate of online searches following the September 11 terror attacks, followed by David Beckham. Princess Diana is fourth, followed by Tony Blair, Madonna, Simon Cowell, Jade Goody, Madeleine McCann and Brad Pitt.

Stick the names together into a list and see them all as the entertainers of the age, the people who kept things interesting and broke up our day. Each something to have an opinion on. But not one affecting us in any way. Just entertainment.

In the case of Sarah Payne, snatched and killed in July 2000, or of Milly Dowler, who vanished in March 2002, or of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, who died five months later, the threat was external and unforeseen. Baby P, who died three months after Madeleine vanished, was murdered in circumstances of unambiguous evil. Terribly unjust as it may be, Madeleine’s parents’ dreadful victimhood was complicated, in the mind of the public, by their parenting decisions. It set in play the circumstances that allowed their critics, for a time at least, to judge them more harshly than whoever snatched her.

Because they were so visible. Because Madeleine McCann became Our Maddie, a media creation…

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So according to this a troll is a person who finds the disappearance of a child entertaining, who sees it as a chance to be heard, however spiteful and speculative their opinions; who are unable to separate fact from fiction - to play armchair detective.

At the same time we are informed that the story became a thing owned by the press and broadcasters as soon as the McCanns brought in the PRs. So who marketed this story and pushed the `disappearance of a child as entertainment`?

It was`t the trolls.

Because Our Maddie was a media creation...and this story should have been wrapped up a long time ago.

by monkey mind 17.05.12 12:04

mira2 wrote:The ingrediants were there from the off, this was a family affair.

There is no point speculating on reams of he said this she said that, if we want to get to the facts we have to concentrate on events leading up to that so called family holiday and the immediate weeks following, the rest is damage limitation exercise paid for by public donations.

I can well remember Amaral's outburst and as a result his removal from the case, at the time I was livid that he made the accusations that he did, later on I came to understand the pressure that he was under and just how sinister this case had become.

It is no surprise to me that the proprieter of News of the World and all the other connections to one very sinister individual whose share of the media in the UK was long bordering on EXCESSIVE has a connection to this case.

Kate tells us in here bookie wooky the one that I will not be buying that her and Gerry were invited to dinner by a very special guy blah blah blah

by Lady-Heather 17.05.12 15:27

mira2 wrote:The ingrediants were there from the off, this was a family affair.

There is no point speculating on reams of he said this she said that, if we want to get to the facts we have to concentrate on events leading up to that so called family holiday and the immediate weeks following, the rest is damage limitation exercise paid for by public donations.

I can well remember Amaral's outburst and as a result his removal from the case, at the time I was livid that he made the accusations that he did, later on I came to understand the pressure that he was under and just how sinister this case had become.

It is no surprise to me that the proprieter of News of the World and all the other connections to one very sinister individual whose share of the media in the UK was long bordering on EXCESSIVE has a connection to this case.

Kate tells us in here bookie wooky the one that I will not be buying that her and Gerry were invited to dinner by a very special guy blah blah blah

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by mira2 28.05.12 23:33

It has taken me around 15 whole minutes to figure out where I last posted, and then how to reply.

This case will go down in history as a testament to the cancer that persists at the heart of our society i.e. the .05 percent who control the show and reap the massive rewards, all with our blessing. Cause no matter how much we protest our innocence and disgust with what goes down in our name, unless we are prepared to speak with one voice and demand accountabilty and do our bit to change the course of history, our words are just words and the show goes on.

As for the media, the very nature of their business dictates that they do whatever it takes to bring in the dosh, who can blame them for that.

What is NOT OK, is that T Blair under his New Labour fiasco (who could ever doubt that this bafoon was anything other than a right wing conservative) was given carte blance by the UK public to go on a mission of widespread destruction to this little nation to the point where we are no better than the 3 world nations that we are supposedly speading OUR kind of democracy to.

If we wanted News of the World to run our nation we would have elected them, we did not elect them, but we sure as hell ignored 13 years of their leadership.

What I want to know is when are we going to say enough is enough. If your are elected leader you must carry the can, no point blaming it on media moguls who you as leader secretly put in charge of the show at our expense. Why wasn't Blair stopped in his tracks and held to account, if you can get to the bottom of that one, we may just unravel the web of deceit that allows the Mc's to profit from a case where 5 years down the line they have yet to elimate themselves from the enquiry, in order fro it to move on.

by **tigger** 29.05.12 6:31

Love your posts Mira2!
To find where you last posted - go to the member list, type in your name and then click on 'statistics' you can choose from topics you posted in or run through all of your posts.

Government imo is middle management - a step on the ladder if you want to get rich after leaving office. New Labour effectively ruined the country, knowing full well they were doing so. But getting votes seems to be the principal aim of most democratically elected governments.
Blair managed to introduce religious mania in the mix as well, a first I believe.

Pratchett is one of my favourite authors - can't resist quoting this from 'Unseen Academicals'.
'Technically, the city of Ankh-Morpork is a tyranny - the post having been redefined by the incumbent as the only form of democracy which works .....(he then defines monarchy as compared to tyranny) this is the bit I really like:
'A third proposition, that the city be governed by a choice of respectable members of the community who would promise not to give themselves airs or betray the public trust at every turn, was instantly the subject of music-hall jokes all over the city.' unquote

History lives - but most of the UK is oblivious to the fact that they're still paying for the second world war 'help' from the US. Whereas the rest of Europe was given large loans by the US to rebuild their economies , - Grande Bretagne - 0. Now it's Europe's turn - the Euro crisis is all to do with the dollar. Saddam Hussain was going to accept Euros for his oil. That was his crime. Gadaffi was going to introduce the golden Dinar, that was his crime.
Nothing may destabilise the oil dollar - it's the only thing the US have left to stop them going bankrupt.

It follows therefore, that Blair's riches are the reward for aiding the US.

by Liz Eagles 29.05.12 11:59

tigger wrote:Love your posts Mira2!
To find where you last posted - go to the member list, type in your name and then click on 'statistics' you can choose from topics you posted in or run through all of your posts.

Government imo is middle management - a step on the ladder if you want to get rich after leaving office. New Labour effectively ruined the country, knowing full well they were doing so. But getting votes seems to be the principal aim of most democratically elected governments.
Blair managed to introduce religious mania in the mix as well, a first I believe.

Pratchett is one of my favourite authors - can't resist quoting this from 'Unseen Academicals'.
'Technically, the city of Ankh-Morpork is a tyranny - the post having been redefined by the incumbent as the only form of democracy which works .....(he then defines monarchy as compared to tyranny) this is the bit I really like:
'A third proposition, that the city be governed by a choice of respectable members of the community who would promise not to give themselves airs or betray the public trust at every turn, was instantly the subject of music-hall jokes all over the city.' unquote

History lives - but most of the UK is oblivious to the fact that they're still paying for the second world war 'help' from the US. Whereas the rest of Europe was given large loans by the US to rebuild their economies , - Grande Bretagne - 0. Now it's Europe's turn - the Euro crisis is all to do with the dollar. Saddam Hussain was going to accept Euros for his oil. That was his crime. Gadaffi was going to introduce the golden Dinar, that was his crime.
Nothing may destabilise the oil dollar - it's the only thing the US have left to stop them going bankrupt.

It follows therefore, that Blair's riches are the reward for aiding the US.

Tigger, I have tried time and time again to read Pratchett, perhaps I'm not intellegent enough to grasp it - I find it too difficult to plough through. However the bit that is blatantly clear for me is the bit I've highlighted from your post.

by mira2 02.06.12 17:10

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Love your posts Mira2!
To find where you last posted - go to the member list, type in your name and then click on 'statistics' you can choose from topics you posted in or run through all of your posts.

Government imo is middle management - a step on the ladder if you want to get rich after leaving office. New Labour effectively ruined the country, knowing full well they were doing so. But getting votes seems to be the principal aim of most democratically elected governments.
Blair managed to introduce religious mania in the mix as well, a first I believe.

Pratchett is one of my favourite authors - can't resist quoting this from 'Unseen Academicals'.
'Technically, the city of Ankh-Morpork is a tyranny - the post having been redefined by the incumbent as the only form of democracy which works .....(he then defines monarchy as compared to tyranny) this is the bit I really like:
'A third proposition, that the city be governed by a choice of respectable members of the community who would promise not to give themselves airs or betray the public trust at every turn, was instantly the subject of music-hall jokes all over the city.' unquote

History lives - but most of the UK is oblivious to the fact that they're still paying for the second world war 'help' from the US. Whereas the rest of Europe was given large loans by the US to rebuild their economies , - Grande Bretagne - 0. Now it's Europe's turn - the Euro crisis is all to do with the dollar. Saddam Hussain was going to accept Euros for his oil. That was his crime. Gadaffi was going to introduce the golden Dinar, that was his crime.
Nothing may destabilise the oil dollar - it's the only thing the US have left to stop them going bankrupt.

It follows therefore, that Blair's riches are the reward for aiding the US.

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Tigger thank you for showing me around on here, I now know how to keep tabs on where I have posted, so apologies to those who I failed to reply to.
I see you are a history buff, unlike my goodself who tunes into RT Today to get a glimpse into what atrocities the Wild West 666 team are mustering up, inorder to beam us all into outer space.
The "dollar" is the cause of all the bloodshed across the middle east today and to take a quote from the good Dr Kate McCann 'the situation we find ourselves in. (Kate referred to the situation that Madeleine found herself in, as if Madeleine was an adult who could deal with major situations).
It has become quite obvious that there is a hard core element in the political arena past decade who have manipilated the system to such an extent that it matters not a jot which party gets elected the seeds have been sown. I take your point that the UK just canot shake of its indebtedness to America even after all these years, and yes Saddam and Gaddafi had to go because they were in talks with African Nations and using their precious oil to upset the status quo i.e. America's lush deal where all oil movement be linked to the dollar.
The way I see it america is bankrupt, way to many expensive gung ho attempts to control the Middle East by whatever means and to prop up the failing dollar, that has no value whatsoever in reality, that is. The Americans were the superpower they took it upon themselves to act as the worlds policeman, they messed up, simply because their education system (another story) is so indoctrinated the mass majority had no idea about anything that is anything outside or the USA.
G.W. Bush's interviews after 9/11 where he was going to shoot from the hip (Texas style of course), then regarding Pakistan he did not have a clue who their Pri minister was.....and it got more embarrasing by the day. The bush's and the Clinton's are one in the same, and still calling the shots. Who is going to expose the maniacs behind the scene whose only interest in planet earth is getting their jollies from the adrenaline that their status gives them.

In the UK we are getting somewhere finally, we have the proof that Murdoch has been running the country for the past 15 years or so, Blair was nothing more than a stooge without a soul.
Cameron is again another story.

by **tigger** 02.06.12 17:39

Thanks for that!
I studied archaeology - plenty of precedence in Mesopotamia for what's happening now over there! Nothing new.
I don't know the exact quote but it's something like:
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

I too discovered RT - very refreshing. Especially on Libya at the time. That is how I discovered Arnie Gundersen on Fukushima. Very useful channel.

by mira2 02.06.12 19:49

Thanks for that!
I studied archaeology - plenty of precedence in Mesopotamia for what's happening now over there! Nothing new.
I don't know the exact quote but it's something like:
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

I too discovered RT - very refreshing. Especially on Libya at the time. That is how I discovered Arnie Gundersen on Fukushima. Very useful channel.
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tigger as you know I am new to this forum, so not in tune with who is who and what is what, you are an interesting character, may I ask where you reside?

by **tigger** 02.06.12 19:54

I'll PM you Mira2 - when you log on you will see a notice to tell you when you have a message. I live in the Netherlands in fairly close proximity to all known war criminals who have been arrested and convicted.

But I'm really not that interesting! I just talk a lot.....

To answer a post, just click on the quote right hand top of each post. Then it's clearer - the post you reply to comes up in a different colour box.

by mira2 02.06.12 21:31

ty tigger,

for me it is a breath of fresh air to come onto a forum and pick up on individuals from outside the UK who have picked up on this case and realised that not all is well. Allthough I may come across as an optimist on here, in reality I do not find it so easy to get the message across that the rights of under 16 year olds to protection under the law must take precedence over the rights of those who who have failed them i.e parents.

Child abuse has been, going on for centuries at the highest level, is a sickness that will allways be with us and one that it will take a real determination from those who care enough about the welfare of minors to stamp out once and for all.

It is no secret that a great number of politicians from all parties have convictions behind them for sex offences against minors.

What is the point of having a sex offenders register when the reality is that some offenders are deemed fit to be elected as MP's and such.

Other day one of my sons said 'Mum why do you bother with this stuff can't you just chill out like', then he asked me who was Madeleine Mc Cann.