When did the British Police leave Portugal?
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When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 24.10.11 10:40
From Goncalo Amaral’s book, ‘The Truth About The Lie’.
Sofia is listening to our conversation. She knows the importance of the work carried out by Tavares de Almeida. It was he who kept the crisis unit operational throughout the investigation, until the departure of the last English police officer, when the McCann family returned to England. As if, from then on, it was no longer necessary to continue the investigations where the disappearance took place.
I already knew the British Police in 2007 left Portugal when the McCanns were made suspects and fled the country, but looking again at this now, it would suggest from Goncalo's book, that many had already left before then and the last one went when they did.
I never realised than before.
What made all the others leave earlier than the McCann's, who instructed them and when did they leave? Anyone know?
Sofia is listening to our conversation. She knows the importance of the work carried out by Tavares de Almeida. It was he who kept the crisis unit operational throughout the investigation, until the departure of the last English police officer, when the McCann family returned to England. As if, from then on, it was no longer necessary to continue the investigations where the disappearance took place.
I already knew the British Police in 2007 left Portugal when the McCanns were made suspects and fled the country, but looking again at this now, it would suggest from Goncalo's book, that many had already left before then and the last one went when they did.
I never realised than before.What made all the others leave earlier than the McCann's, who instructed them and when did they leave? Anyone know?
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 24.10.11 10:56
Also form the book:
The English investigators occupied the adjoining room: between the two areas, information circulated in an uninterrupted flow. The British investigators participated in our meetings, taking notes in their record book, Major Incident Enquiry Officer's Rough Book.
The English investigators occupied the adjoining room: between the two areas, information circulated in an uninterrupted flow. The British investigators participated in our meetings, taking notes in their record book, Major Incident Enquiry Officer's Rough Book.
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by PeterMac 24.10.11 11:57
That book should still be available to the Met team. It will also probably be one of the restricted documents under FOI.
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 24.10.11 12:09
What do you think he meant by a 'rough book'? Is that a kind of nick name for it, or could he be implying that they were just taking down quick notes?
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 24.10.11 15:11
The first British police officer to come to PJ headquarters in Portimão, on Saturday, May 5, was Glen Power, liaison officer for the British police, assigned to the British Embassy in Lisbon.
Two days after, British police officers start to arrive. Bob Small, Leicester head of CID came with a colleague.
After that, another two police officers arrived – family liaison officers, to give psychological support to the family and to work as a "link" between the family and PJ.
But more and more British officers keep coming. The PJ gave them a room, next to their own "crisis room" and the British called it "Task Portugal". Experts in communications, special surveillance teams, profilers, specialist in information analysis, there are "all kind of specialised British police officers." They had access to all information related to the investigation, participated in every meeting and took part in the decision process, as the investigation developed.
On May 14, the McCanns "dismissed" the two family liaison officers, after Kate was "shocked and frustrated" because they asked her where her daughter was. They were in PdL for less than a week. British police told nothing to the PJ, officially, concerning this incident.
On May 15, Inspector Ricardo Paiva goes to Leicester.
On June 12, Leicestershire's assistant chief constable Chris Eyre and CID head Bob Small went to Faro, for a meeting with Amaral
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Two days after, British police officers start to arrive. Bob Small, Leicester head of CID came with a colleague.
After that, another two police officers arrived – family liaison officers, to give psychological support to the family and to work as a "link" between the family and PJ.
But more and more British officers keep coming. The PJ gave them a room, next to their own "crisis room" and the British called it "Task Portugal". Experts in communications, special surveillance teams, profilers, specialist in information analysis, there are "all kind of specialised British police officers." They had access to all information related to the investigation, participated in every meeting and took part in the decision process, as the investigation developed.
On May 14, the McCanns "dismissed" the two family liaison officers, after Kate was "shocked and frustrated" because they asked her where her daughter was. They were in PdL for less than a week. British police told nothing to the PJ, officially, concerning this incident.
On May 15, Inspector Ricardo Paiva goes to Leicester.
On June 12, Leicestershire's assistant chief constable Chris Eyre and CID head Bob Small went to Faro, for a meeting with Amaral
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by PeterMac 24.10.11 15:48
It is the official name for it.Stella wrote:What do you think he meant by a 'rough book'? Is that a kind of nick name for it, or could he be implying that they were just taking down quick notes?
see this link. I know it is for road accident deaths, but the principle is the same - a major enquiry into a fatality.
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2. Investigating Officer(s)
All officers who carry out any role during the investigation of a road death will be classified as investigating officers, who are responsible to the SIO. Investigators must be aware of the SIO’s policy, and ensure that it is carried out. They must be trained to the correct PIP level as defined by the RDIM or under the guidance of an investigator trained to the correct level for that case.
The role of the Collision Investigator clearly encompasses numerous disciplines, and all actions performed, and information received must be recorded.
The forms on which officers must record all information are:-
P.144L Road Traffic Collision Report Booklet.
P.618 Collision Log.
MIR/25 Policy File.
HOLMES 1 Major Incident Enquiry Officer’s Rough Book (if considered necessary).
FLL1 RPU Family Liaison Officers Log.
P.617 Family Liaison Officer’s Incident Sheet.
Action Management Sheets (if felt necessary).
MIR/21 Major Incident Property Register (if considered necessary).
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 24.10.11 15:58
Blimey !! All those forms for one incident? I do sympathise with the Police on this subject. The funny thing is, I nearly joined them when I was leaving school. 
Thank you for confirming the 'rough book' is something official.
Thank you for confirming the 'rough book' is something official.
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Angelique 24.10.11 16:03
So this would be the first notes at the scene of an incident - descriptions and what witnesses say ?
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by PeterMac 24.10.11 16:13
That is how the Matthews woman got caught out. It was the FLO who overheard the conversation and made the arrest.Stella wrote:
On May 14, the McCanns "dismissed" the two family liaison officers, after Kate was "shocked and frustrated" because they asked her where her daughter was.
Not surprising that the McCans did not want anything to do with them.
Incidentally in the book Katey says there were THREE, which seems overkill, but nice for them all to get a holiday.
p. 102 "All the same, we were reassured to see some UK police that day in the shape of three family liaison officers (FLOs) from the Leicestershire force, which had also officially logged Madeleine as missing."
As far as I can see there is no mention in the book of their being sent home.
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 24.10.11 16:18
I've been looking everywhere for the mention of anyone leaving, so that I can make a list of who left when and in what order. But I cannot find anything on anyone. It's almost as if they slipped away very quietly without anyone noticing.
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by PeterMac 24.10.11 16:23
And that is just for a traffic accident.Stella wrote:Blimey !! All those forms for one incident? I do sympathise with the Police on this subject. The funny thing is, I nearly joined them when I was leaving school.
For a Murder there is then the whole world of Crime reports, C1, C2, C3, Forensic logs, Freezer management logs, and then on to the whole Scenes of Crime department systems, which make an outsider reel. Interview notes, tapes, copies, signed in and out every time. I won't even start on the bureaucracy associated with the Custody system.
Everything recorded.
Everything capable of being checked and cross-checked.
And all so that a smart lawyer cannot find a loophole through which the offender can slip.
It is one of the consequences of an adversarial system of justice.
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 25.10.11 8:46
If a crime is committed abroad and that country has complete jurisdiction over the investigation, would they still behave in exactly the same way as if it had been committed here? Or would they just observe and write a report about what the Portuguese have found?
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by PeterMac 25.10.11 9:10
That is one of the strange aspects of this case. The Portuguese would have complete jurisdiction over an investigation into a crime of Abduction, into the aspects of child neglect, and indeed into a homicide or accidental death.
The British Police would have jurisdiction over an investigation into a Fraud involving a fund set up in the UK.
But interesting they also have jurisdiction in a homicide committed by a British citizen, anywhere in the world !
"A British subject may be charged with murder wherever the killing took place and no matter what the nationality of the victim"
The British Police would have jurisdiction over an investigation into a Fraud involving a fund set up in the UK.
But interesting they also have jurisdiction in a homicide committed by a British citizen, anywhere in the world !
"A British subject may be charged with murder wherever the killing took place and no matter what the nationality of the victim"
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 25.10.11 9:37
I'm not sure I understood the last bit very well PeterMac. Are you saying that the British Authorities have 'equal' amounts of rights in another country, where a British citizen has committed or assisted in another persons death?
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by Guest 27.10.11 16:30
So in theory, the British Police could 'use', all Portuguese held information, with their permission, to bring about a case of Fraud against the McCann's, if they can prove that the creche sheets were used to facilitate an abduction hoax !!!
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Re: When did the British Police leave Portugal?
by PeterMac 27.10.11 18:30
Not exactly. It is to stop a British citizen murdering someone in, say, Argentina, and then fleeing the country back to Britain, and boasting about it. That person can be tried in England - if there is sufficient evidence ! Collecting the evidence from the country concerned is entirely another matter.Stella wrote:I'm not sure I understood the last bit very well PeterMac. Are you saying that the British Authorities have 'equal' amounts of rights in another country, where a British citizen has committed or assisted in another persons death?
It is a law which pre-dates extradition treaties, European Arrest Warrants and suchlike.
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