Jane Tanner rogatory

by Shhh 08.06.14 20:41

Just re-reading her rog. Statement. During interview 3 of it she says, in regard to seeing madeleine :

“Not that much really because only really because she didn’t come to breakfast, so we saw the other children at breakfast and their lunch, but because they tended to have breakfast and lunch separately, the only time I really saw her was at, erm, after high tea when we were playing in the play area, was the main times that I probably saw her during the week”.

So, madeleine wasn't present at high tea then?

What is "high" tea? The phrase has irritated me from day one yes

by juliet 08.06.14 21:50

It was the tea provided by Mark Warner for the creche children, I think. So the parents didnt have to bother about them until late afternoon.

by Shhh 08.06.14 21:55

Dinner then lol

Why wasn't maddie at tea? She was in the same club as JT daughter so should have been at tea. JT corrects herself to say after high tea.

by Praia 08.06.14 22:05

Shhh, "high tea" is so Enid Blyton, it drives me mad too. I am sure they eat potted meat sandwiches washed down with lashings of ginger beer! How super!

by Shhh 08.06.14 22:22

Praia wrote:Shhh, "high tea" is so Enid Blyton, it drives me mad too. I am sure they eat potted meat sandwiches washed down with lashings of ginger beer! How super!

Lol

My daughter got an Enid blyton book in her mcdonalds happy meal, "mum, there's a boy in this book called dick"

by Watching 09.06.14 7:47

Shhh wrote:Just re-reading her rog. Statement. During interview 3 of it she says, in regard to seeing madeleine :

“Not that much really because only really because she didn’t come to breakfast, so we saw the other children at breakfast and their lunch, but because they tended to have breakfast and lunch separately, the only time I really saw her was at, erm, after high tea when we were playing in the play area, was the main times that I probably saw her during the week”.

So, madeleine wasn't present at high tea then?

What is "high" tea? The phrase has irritated me from day one

High tea is served often in hotels. A Sunday a popular day to have high tea, which consists generally of a main meal, simple meals served as the main, afterwards cakes, usually little cakes/fancies are served with a pot of tea. It's rather nice but then I am rather old!

The OC did not serve high tea, the children were simply served evening meal which in most places these days would consist of all things little ones tend to enjoy, chicken nuggets, pastas etc. IIRC JT did say somewhere, possibly her rog that it was they themselves who began calling the evening meal for the children - high tea. Perhaps they'd heard this somewhere thought it sounded good/posh or something, which of course it is not. As children we were often taken for 'high tea' on a Sunday we loved when it was time for the trolley with fancy little cakes to arrive at our table and being allowed to choose.

If JT is talking of 3rd Maddie was at the evening meal with her siblings & Mr. Joined also by Mrs. The others had tea at the beach cafe so JT would not have seen Maddie at tea, but then if the 3rd she would not have seen her after either! If speaking generally, the families spent time at play area each evening, it would be at this time JT is referring to, as the only time when she really saw Maddie when they all engaged in play activities together.

by Watching 09.06.14 8:03

Praia wrote:Shhh, "high tea" is so Enid Blyton, it drives me mad too. I am sure they eat potted meat sandwiches washed down with lashings of ginger beer! How super!

LOL Praia - that would be afternoon tea! I doubt any of the T9 spent their childhoods or later years at afternoon/high teas. Mr & Mrs don't strike me as having been acquainted with this, either at home or being taken out to tea. Mr at afternoon tea as a child with siblings Philomena, John, Trish and whoever is the other one - no other guests in the dining room would be able to hear themselves think with that loud bunch

by rustyjames 09.06.14 9:40

Actually "High Tea" started out more as a working class thing as opposed to "Afternoon Tea" which was more upper class and is why a lot (and most I know of) people say they are having "tea" rather than "dinner" when having their evening meal.

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I have come across "High tea" still being used to refer to a meal for the kids when skiing - say sometime between 4 and 6pm while the parents get sorted and have dinner later.

by Miraflores 09.06.14 10:49

Actually "High Tea" started out more as a working class thing as opposed to "Afternoon Tea"

'Tea' is more northern than southern, but it's never 'high tea' - that, as the previous poster said, belongs to Enid Blyton. I thought working class Londoners referred to their evening meal as 'supper' - which to me is a drink of cocoa at bedtime with perhaps a biscuit.

What the McCanns and friends were talking about was the children's 'tea', purely and simply.

by rustyjames 09.06.14 11:09

Miraflores wrote:
Actually "High Tea" started out more as a working class thing as opposed to "Afternoon Tea"

'Tea' is more northern than southern, but it's never 'high tea'

Totally agree and I personally use "tea" to refer to my evening meal - just pointing out where the term originated from, and that I have come across the use of "high tea" in the one context of having a separate early meal provided solely for all the children by the accommodation with the adults eating a separate meal later, in my case whilst skiing.

If you Google "Mark Warner" and "High Tea" you will find the term is used extensively, although a lot of the hits are skiing related.

Which meal "dinner" refers to is a whole other can of worms :-)

by juliet 09.06.14 11:54

JT would not have been at high tea. It was for the creche children served by the nannies. But more interesting surely is how the McCanns kept away from the Tapas 7 and isolated the children at breakfast and lunch.

by HelenMeg 25.08.14 12:16

Interesting to re-read this@ from mccannfiles :
By Duarte Levy
06 December 2008
Thanks to 'AnnaEsse' for translation

Jane Tanner: selective memory, contradictions and other things...

After 11 months of the investigation, in spite of all that could have been said or done about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Jane Tanner, one of the Tapas 9, admitted to officer Ferguson of the Leicestershire police that she was mistaken about the arrangement in which the group were seated at the table. An apparently minor detail, but which is now more revealing: "Russell said he was sitting between Rachael and Diane. So, I think, I had Diane there, Russell was there. And I think Dave, I think that Dave could have been there and Fiona there."

Jane Tanner's interview, in April 2008, was recorded on video, to which I have had access and which will be disclosed at the right time in a documentary about Maddie's disappearance.

According to the new seating plan, Jane was sitting "in an anti-clockwise direction," next to Kate, followed by Matthew, Fiona, David Payne, Gerry McCann, Dianne, Russell and finally Rachael.

According to Jane Tanner, in her interview with the British police, Kate McCann was more anxious than usual during dinner on May 3rd 2007, the night of Madeleine's disappearance: "There is something I haven't mentioned (...) she had said that Madeleine had said something strange about where were you last night when I woke up. And as I said, I can't remember at what point in the meal she said that (...) I think she said "when Sean and me woke up," I can't remember if it wasn't when two of them woke up."

"I wondered, if there wasn't another reason, you know, why the checks were more frequent," Jane Tanner then stressed, indicating that Kate was wondering if Maddie might wake up.

Questioned about the length of time that Gerry was absent from the dinner table, Jane explains: "that would have been at least five minutes, if not more, because, I wonder, because he had left before I actually left there were conversations about whether he had stopped on the way. So, I mean, if, I think it must have been something like five or ten minutes, five or ten minutes after he had left. I can't say for sure though."

"(...) I went back up the road and I can't remember exactly, I know this, I know, I think that Gerry thinks he was in a different place from where I think he was standing, but I was quite sure, as I walked back up the road, they were standing, one of them was on the road and the other was just on the edge of the pavement, but I thought that it was at the side of the road where I was walking, but I know that Gerry thinks they were on the other side. But I think they were closer, because as I passed, I nearly went to greet them in some way and I thought at that moment Oh "they're chatting, chatting, chatting" and I thought, you know, I didn't, I didn't know if they had seen me or not, but I actually went to greet them and I think if they had been so far away I don't know if I would somehow have almost gone to say hello to them," states Jane Tanner admitting that she and Gerry don't agree about where they found themselves.

"I thought that they were, when you go up here, I thought they were more, euh, once again I know that this is where me and Gerry disagree, but I thought they were kind of closer to the alleyway. I think kind of (...) I think that one of them was on the road and I think, I thought that it was Jez on the road because he had the pram. And towards, I don't know, I can't remember in which direction he was facing. No, I mean, I think I remember that in my statement I said it, but I can't remember now in which direction he was facing.

"And I thought that Gerry was almost on the edge of the pavement or just, just kind of on the road, but certainly kind of alongside it, kind of closer to that alleyway. I don't think they were near the apartment gate, I thought they were kind of a bit further down, further down the road than that," Jane admits to the police, demonstrating - according to one of the British investigators, a quite strange memory.

"Madame Tanner gave a witness statement before the television cameras, she was interviewed by our Portuguese colleagues...now she is incapable of remembering most of the details - the Leicestershire police, however, got her to read her previous statements -, but curiously, she happens to clarify certain key points that agree with the story recounted by the other members of this group," states an officer from the British police after having viewed the videos of the interviews.

This British police officer, who no longer has contact with this case, is meanwhile one of the direct witnesses of the most important moments in the investigation by the Portuguese authorities. Bitter and deeply disappointed with the behaviour of the British government in this case, the man, from a legal point of view, no longer has the right to speak about Madeleine McCann's disappearance. A ban which he has not respected for reasons "of professionalism and moral conscience" in spite of the heavy consequences to come.

by HelenMeg 25.08.14 12:19

This British police officer, who no longer has contact with this case, is meanwhile one of the direct witnesses of the most important moments in the investigation by the Portuguese authorities. Bitter and deeply disappointed with the behaviour of the British government in this case, the man, from a legal point of view, no longer has the right to speak about Madeleine McCann's disappearance. A ban which he has not respected for reasons "of professionalism and moral conscience" in spite of the heavy consequences to come.

And I wonder who that police officer was... and whether he is still interested in pursuing the truth

by Hicks 25.08.14 12:50

So there is a British Police Officer-no less- who has witnessed the lies of Jane Tanner on tape, yet due to a 'ban' he is prevented from telling the truth. It is hard to comprehend. Just what, or who is being protected in all of this?

Is there anyone left out there who still has faith in the investigation? This whole mystery has * WHITEWASH* stamped all over it. Surely there can be no doubt now.

Still, at least there appears to be at least one British Police Officer who has a moral conscience.

by HelenMeg 25.08.14 12:51

Hicks wrote:So there is a British Police Officer-no less- who has witnessed the lies of Jane Tanner on tape, yet due to a 'ban' he is prevented from telling the truth. It is hard to comprehend. Just what, or who is being protected in all of this?

Is there anyone left out there who still has faith in the investigation? This whole mystery has * WHITEWASH* stamped all over it. Surely there can be no doubt now.

Still, at least there appears to be at least one British Police Officer who has a moral conscience.

Yes ! Though have to say that article was from 2008.

by palm tree 25.08.14 12:51

Very interesting, I wonder who this officer was? Forbidden to speak now though. Another point, km was more anxious during dinner on the 3rd? Hmm, why would that be?

by Hicks 25.08.14 13:00

HelenMeg wrote:
Hicks wrote:So there is a British Police Officer-no less- who has witnessed the lies of Jane Tanner on tape, yet due to a 'ban' he is prevented from telling the truth. It is hard to comprehend. Just what, or who is being protected in all of this?

Is there anyone left out there who still has faith in the investigation? This whole mystery has * WHITEWASH* stamped all over it. Surely there can be no doubt now.

Still, at least there appears to be at least one British Police Officer who has a moral conscience.
Yes ! Though have to say that article was from 2008.

I like to source info from 2007-2008. A lot of the 'truth' has been lost over the years, this due to a certain active media monitoring agenda to protect the McCann's, but more importantly, the protection of the invisible person/s who remain at the heart of this mystery.

by HelenMeg 25.08.14 13:03

Hicks wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:
Hicks wrote:So there is a British Police Officer-no less- who has witnessed the lies of Jane Tanner on tape, yet due to a 'ban' he is prevented from telling the truth. It is hard to comprehend. Just what, or who is being protected in all of this?

Is there anyone left out there who still has faith in the investigation? This whole mystery has * WHITEWASH* stamped all over it. Surely there can be no doubt now.

Still, at least there appears to be at least one British Police Officer who has a moral conscience.
Yes ! Though have to say that article was from 2008.
I like to source info from 2007-2008. A lot of the 'truth' has been lost over the years, this due to a certain active media monitoring agenda to protect the McCann's, but more importantly, the protection of the invisible person/s who remain at the heart of this mystery.

Yes, agree wholeheartedly