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Post by Bird131 14.04.22 17:35

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The Portuguese Police asked Kate to draw the seating arrangement of the "Tapas 9" at the Ocean Club restaurant they frequented for dinner. The drawing shows a round table and the seating positions of all 9 guests (Image 2). Most round tables built to accommodate 9 - 10 people, are about 2 metres in diameter (Image 3). From available photos, no round tables were viewed inside the restaurant. Small tables to seat 4 guests can be seen (Image 4), including the placing of 3 tables alongside one another to seat 8 guests (Image 1). Did management provide a special round table large enough for the "Tapas 9" for the duration of their stay - as told by Kate? Are there any photographs to confirm Kate's version of the round table in the restaurant?[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Post by PeterMac 14.04.22 18:04

To get the full effect of that, you have to see the whole page given to Kate by the PJ
which includes the orientation with the words  PISCINA. = POOL, and RECEPÇAO = RECEPTION.

Kate then happily filled it indicating that both she AND Gerry were sitting with their BACKS to the pool
making is absolutely impossible for either of them to have been able to see anything moving around their apartment, even assuming the lighting inside,  the glaring lights outside, the translucent nature of the heavy plastic sheeting, the darkness elsewhere and the thick hedges at the end of the pool and in the garden of the Apartment allowed them to see anything.

Their story does not hold water.


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Post by Verdi 14.04.22 18:07

No Bird131, there isn't any evidence to confirm Kate McCann's claim - not that I'm aware of.

There is a video showing Martin Brunt of Sky News at the Tapas restaurant

This subject has been discussed extensively in the past here on CMOMM, I haven't time now but I'll try to locate the discussion later.

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Post by Silentscope 14.04.22 18:54

He said the group ate at the resort's other restaurant on the first two nights of their holiday, a buffet restaurant called Millennium, and took all their children with them.


But they complained that the meal was too late for the youngsters and asked the Mark Warner manager to have the biggest table at the tapas bar, so they could leave their children in their nearby apartments while they ate.


The staff member's wife, who served the group at the Millennium, said the fractious children started crying towards the end of first two nights.


She said: "The children were generally very well-behaved, and I definitely remember Madeleine. She was like a little angel, very quiet and good as gold. Just a lovely little blonde girl.


"The second time they came in the McCanns were looking for the baby high chairs for their twins and Madeleine went over to the corner of the restaurant and started trying to drag them over. 


"She obviously remembered where they were kept and wanted to help her parents, it was quite sweet really.


"Other than that she was just like any other little girl. She played with her food a little bit but didn't cause any trouble apart from that."
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No mention of the shape of the table unfortunately.
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Post by Silentscope 14.04.22 20:25


It seems the only round tables are in the Millennium restaurant?

Is that where Kate got the idea of a huge round table in the Tapas perhaps?
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Post by Bird131 14.04.22 21:04

You could be 100% correct ... always a half-truth in a lie ... and this seems to be a HUGE (and blatant) untruth Kate told ... and with which she escaped being caught out.
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Post by crusader 14.04.22 21:11

Did Kate draw a perfect round table freehand, or was it given to her already drawn around a glass or cup and she just put the order of where the tapas lot were in relation to her.?
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Post by onehand 14.04.22 21:15

the mystery of a large round table. 

is it a mystery or is this just a thing such a restaurant business would have in the house. from the stories of carol tranmer we read the tapas restaurant did also bbq parties outside near the tapas bar, for such a establishment it is very common to own large fold out tables. they usually are for 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 or even 12 seattings. 183 middle line will fit easily 10 to 12 seats. it is for that measure 8 for a meeting, 10 for a wedding, or 12 people who do know each other well. 

also there is a trick in catering known as the covering table, usually two 2 large moons of cheap woodchip, that fold in the middle, with some brackets and pens  on the under side you can put a square table, you usually use and have. when not needed, they often are stored behind a tapestry somewhere or the broomcloset. they go with a cheap covering tarp. 

both options are easy to work with, both are also often used as to set up a buffet. easy to build up with one or two pair of hands. they are not even very heavy. but sturdy enough. for eating, dancing on it will not end well. 

the catering industry is well know for keeping up appearances, it is nice to look at, but often just very cheap solutions and a lot of hiding. you can get them in any quality you like. just look at google for pictures of; large round fold out tables. and it is not even a 10 minutes job to set then up. 

so it could be as simply so you see them, so they are gone. aka the mystery of professional catering.
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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 2:20

KATE MARIE HEALY ' STATEMENT
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September 6/2007 3pm at Portimao

They left the apartment between 8:30-8:35PM, and headed straight for the Tapas where they arrived 1 minute later maximum. None of the group were at the Tapas because they were usually the first to arrive, but she isn't sure this was the case every night. There was a couple there who they knew, S and C xxxx who belonged to Gerry's tennis group. They talked with them for a few moments before sitting down. Meanwhile, while they talked to S and C the rest of their group arrived and sat down at a round table, where they sat every day. Order of arrival: Kate and Gerry, Jane alone, Mathew and Rachel, Russell, and then she thinks David, Fiona and Diane. She makes a sketch of the table and says that both she and Gerry were not facing the apartments. Sketch attached.

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No, this is clearly not a freehand sketch.

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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 2:55

Sorry, can't find anything.  This is why I get so snotty about keeping on topic!

It's probably not of any importance anyway.  Whether the Tapas table occupied by the group was round, square, oblong or tables shoved together to accommodate a large group, fact remains not one of them had a clear view of apartment 5a or any other apartment,  not in terms of ingress/egress,

I believe the PJ would have thoroughly investigated every aspect and angle,  leaving no stone unturned.  Indeed, the PJ were the only driving force genuinely trying to solve the Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann, at least until Snr Amaral was removed from the case

Note to the press .... Snr Amaral was not sacked !!!

Sorry, I digress.

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Post by onehand 15.04.22 6:54

think it is very likely this question was asked more than once. 
and if you look at the circle that retrofit the table,  likely the officers were not that impressed with the artistic talents of a certain kate m. and just ask assistance, or used a computer by themselves, so this maybe important part of a statement could not become controversial, because the picture drawn by hand was not round enough. the full sheet in the files indeed had also the direction in typing not hand writing. 

verdi is right it does not change anything if that table was round, oval, square or even a more fantastical form. if it was always there or just because there was need for.
the information that the question seeks is sitting positions, not tables. 
and sitting with your back to, in a group, with a not clear as glass plastic tarp behind it, means you could not have a good, easy and constant way to keep your eyes on 5a.

and for just pictures of any moment as evidence for something that was there or not, everything that could easily be picked up and got placed on just another place can not be used as evidence for the evening in question.  catering facilities are used to set up for the booking in question, tables and chairs could be easily moved. you booked a table to seat four, or eight and they can deliver it. 

if a round or other form of table was really a big fact, we would see it back as a question in all statements of anyone who told something in relation to the tapasbar/restaurant. that is not happened, it is all about checking if the view from witnesses and/or suspects was correct, and telling you was dining like in your back garden, you could view it from your seating at the restaurant. well that statement of kate m. tells differently. 

even if kate m. had been seating with a view to the tarp that alone would have distorted the view, then we have distance and bushes in the line of sight. she had not even that view, because her back was facing to that side. and the important information is just that, she never had an unobstructed view on the back of 5a.
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Post by Bird131 15.04.22 7:21

Thanks Verdi, 'onehand' and others, I understand that it may not seem important as to whether or not the table was round. Is there just one photo that shows the group seated at their Tapas table or tables?
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Post by CaKeLoveR 15.04.22 9:04

If one of them had taken a photo of their companions at dinner, they would have deleted it once they realised it contradicted Kate McCann's description of the seating arrangement? It seems unlikely that not one of them would have wanted such a picture of their holiday, to me.
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Post by CaKeLoveR 15.04.22 9:07

I forgot to add - but they claim not to have had mobile phones with them. Or watches.
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Post by Tony Bennett 15.04.22 10:51

Some time in 2007, I think after September, Bridget O'Donnell, partner of Jez Wilkins, wrote a  curiously titled article on the Guardian: 'My months with Madeleine'. 

It included this paragraph :


Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann. He played tennis with Jes.

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Post by CaKeLoveR 15.04.22 12:04

It's interesting that this article makes no mention of the Tapas group playing musical chairs, while they were up and down 'checking the children'. They can't have all been at the table at any point of the dinner.
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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 13:47

Bird131 wrote:Thanks Verdi, 'onehand' and others, I understand that it may not seem important as to whether or not the table was round. Is there just one photo that shows the group seated at their Tapas table or tables?

No there isn't!

Oddly enough, there's a notable absence of any forensic trail of photographic evidence to follow the McCanns movements during the weeks holiday.

That is the red flag in my view!

THE REPORTS LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED

The examination of the premises by the investigator and the representative of the forensic police just after the announcement of the disappearance turns out to be quite unproductive. A concise report, where their observations are written up, is accompanied by numerous photographs taken inside and outside apartment 5A - which don't give an account of, according to us, everything they could have observed. This error is explained by the absence of procedures in case of a child's disappearance, notably concerning the actions to be taken when examining the scene.

Lots of people were already in place; however, nobody appeared in the photos. We don't know, for example, how they were dressed. Such observations can turn out to be important later on.

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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 13:54

Witness Statement

Najoua Chekaya

Date: 2007/05/09

Place: Praia da Luz - Lagos

Occupation: Aerobic Instructor

She remembers that last Tuesday at the end of the quiz, she was invited to the table of nine guests who asked her to join them for a drink.

She was at their table for about fifteen to twenty minutes and it was there that she met Madeleine's father, who directly invited her to the table, however, she does not know whether Madeleines mother was also there.

When questioned, she said that they talked of banalities and she did not notice any aspect or behaviour that was out of the ordinary.
When questioned, she said that during the time that she was there Madeleines father did not leave the table, neither did any of the other guests, however, during this time one of the chairs was always empty, that of someone who had had dinner and left, not managing to indicate any identifying element about this person.

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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 13:59

Tony Bennett wrote:Some time in 2007, I think after September, Bridget O'Donnell, partner of Jez Wilkins, wrote a  curiously titled article on the Guardian: 'My months with Madeleine'. 

It included this paragraph :


Some of the parents were in a larger group. Most of them worked for the NHS and had met many years before in Leicestershire. Now they lived in different parts of the UK, and this holiday was their opportunity to catch up, to introduce their children, to reunite. They booked a large table every night in the Tapas. We called them "the Doctors". Sometimes we would sit out on our balcony and their laughter would float up around us. One man was the joker. He had a loud Glaswegian accent. He was Gerry McCann. He played tennis with Jes.

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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 14:06

Even more curious is the rationale behind the Crimewatch UK 2013 Madeleine McCann Special.

A scene from the Tapas dining experience as produced by Crimewatch..

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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 17:59

From the book..

Saturday 28th April 2007

Afterwards we strolled over to the Millennium restaurant for dinner. The Mark Warner resorts the others had visited before had been quite compact. The apartments and facilities in Praia da Luz were spread out around the village, which meant some of them were ten minutes’ walk away.

The restaurant turned out to be nearly half a mile from our base – a bit too far, really, certainly for a gaggle of weary toddlers. As we were only going to be away for a week, we’d decided not to bring Sean and Amelie’s double buggy with us, preferring to travel light and thinking we wouldn’t be doing much walking, given that everything we needed was on-site. So there were many stops and negotiations about whose turn it was to be carried by whom.

At the restaurant the staff were very kind and obliging, pushing up several tables so that we could all sit together.

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Post by Verdi 15.04.22 18:01

In spite of what we’d been told about booking the Tapas restaurant, Rachael managed to get a table for nine at 8.30pm pencilled in for the rest of the week after having a word with the receptionist at the pool and Tapas area.

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Post by Bird131 15.04.22 18:44

Thanks Verdi ... I remembered reading about tables being pushed together, but couldn't find it again!
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Post by Verdi 16.04.22 2:41

Again, the book.

A little later, near the sun-loungers at the Tapas end of the swimming pool, some of our group were discussing whether to cancel our dinner booking in the evening and take the kids to the Millennium instead.

We’d heard that another couple we’d met had tried unsuccessfully to book a table at the Tapas restaurant and we wondered whether it was fair of us to be taking over the place. Although the restaurant was accepting other reservations, our party of nine occupied most of the available places and I, for one, felt rather guilty about that. H

owever, when someone pointed out that we’d be gone by Saturday whereas this family was staying on for another week, it didn’t seem quite so unreasonable, and we decided to stick with our original plan. Another of those apparently trivial decisions
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Post by Verdi 16.04.22 2:44

And..

Refusing to acknowledge what I already knew, and perhaps automatically going into a well-practised medical-emergency mode, I quickly scoured the apartment to exclude all other possibilities, mentally ticking boxes that I knew, deep down, were already ticked. I checked the wardrobe in the children’s room. I ran into the kitchen, throwing open all the cupboard doors, into our bedroom, searching the wardrobes, in and out of the bathroom, all within about fifteen seconds, before hurtling out through the patio doors and down towards Gerry and our friends. As soon as our table was in sight I started screaming. ‘Madeleine’s gone! Someone’s taken her!’ Everyone seemed frozen for a split second, perhaps unable, as I’d been, to process this information. Then they all jumped up from their chairs and ran towards me. I remember Gerry saying, ‘She must be there!’ By now, I was hysterical. ‘She’s not! She’s gone!’

Everybody sprinted back to our apartment, except for Dianne ...

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