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Post by Verdi on 01.08.20 15:25

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“IT’S NOT US THAT’S COMMITTED THIS CRIME, IT’S PERSON WHO’S GONE INTO THAT APARTMENT AND TAKEN A LITTLE GIRL AWAY FROM HER FAMILY”

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What a cold and very impersonal statement from the mother of a child who was reported as missing by her parents (a child never found) perhaps abducted?

Perhaps who wandered off? Perhaps missing as the result of foul play by persons known to her?   A child who may be dead?  Who may have died accidentally?  Died accidentally and then the death concealed by those known to her?  Who, may have been murdered?  Who may have been abducted and murdered?  Who may have been murdered then removed from the holiday apartment?


“It’s not US that’s committed this crime?


Kate McCann doesn’t say – It’s not US WHO have committed this crime.   She says THAT’S committed this crime?

So,

Who exactly is included in US?


Her and Gerry?  Her, Gerry and others? Her and others?  Gerry and others?

I would think that whomever she is referring to, rather depends on what crime or crimes she is referring to!

She states A crime (singular) was committed!

How does she, or can she know this?

Let us say that Madeleine was assaulted in some way, in the apartment, then killed in apartment, then, her body removed from apartment, and disposed of?
Clearly then, multiple crimes against the child!

So WHY is Kate McCann in this statement so sure that A crime (singular) was committed against her daughter?

She cannot possibly know that such a scenario as I suggested above did not happen to her child…unless…she has other information that she has not divulged to police authorities!


Or, for sake of argument - what if Madeleine wandered out of the apartment - which Kate and Gerry McCann claim to have left unsecure - easily allowing a child of Madeleine’s age to wander off?  Thereafter the child for whatever reason never being found?

Again, Kate McCann cannot possibly know that this scenario did not happen to her child…unless…she has other information that she has not divulged to police authorities!


Her statement continued:

“It’s the person who’s gone into that apartment
and taken a little girl away from her family”

What an extraordinary thing to say.


Extraordinary for several reasons.   Not least the coldness once more.

She, Kate McCann, at no point in her statement speaks of Madeleine by name, or refers to Madeleine as her daughter.   Only as a little girl, as though Madeleine, a child she did not know.

She refers to their holiday apartment as THAT apartment.  
She refers to Madeleine as a LITTLE GIRL (as though a stranger to her).
She refers to a LITTLE GIRL being taken away from HER FAMILY (the child’s family)

NOT of Madeleine her first born child, her daughter being taken away from her and Gerry, their/our family (as in taken from her, Gerry, and the twin children/extended family)


Such distancing between her and Madeleine.

This statement, it’s almost as though Madeleine was NOT part of the family.

Kate McCann doesn’t know that ‘a person’ some stranger went into the holiday apartment and took ‘a little girl’ away from her family.

She may know a whole lot of stuff about what happened the night she/Gerry reported their daughter as missing – I don’t doubt for a split second that she knows exactly what happened to her daughter, her and Gerry’s daughter, their first born child, the child they named Madeleine, the child who according to them, they left alone no adult supervision, in their holiday apartment and did not secure it.  


The child she now refers to as ‘a little girl’ taken away from her family as though a stranger to her.



“It’s not us that’s committed this crime, it’s person who’s gone into that apartment and taken a little girl away from her family.”


How easily those words slip from her lips.

How conveniently she and Gerry McCann ignored the possibility of all other various scenarios.

Ignored, all scenarios, but that of a nasty man going into the apartment and taking their daughter Madeleine.

No parent wants to imagine that their child may have been assaulted, injured in some way, and is no longer alive.  Parents of a missing child will always hope for the best outcome.   But they do acknowledge that this may not be the case.

They do not ignore all possible scenarios.   They do not defend only one scenario and promote it above all else.

Unbearable for any parent to imagine their child being harmed.  Perhaps worse still to imagine the fear their child may have suffered.  Truly an unbearable thought for any parent, that our child was ever in a state of fear and not being there to save them from that pain and suffering.  Our child only wanting for mummy or daddy to come to them.

Never once have I ever heard the McCanns express their feelings in this regard.  Express any concern whatsoever for Madeleine as to what she may have suffered before her death.   The fear of a terrified child.  Or, the fear she may still be suffering at the hands of this ‘person’ who Kate McCann describes as having taken a little girl from her family.  The little girl they want the world to believe is still alive.


I’ve often pondered this, and the only reason I can come up with is that THEY KNOW EXACTLY what became of their daughter.  They know whether she suffered pain, fear.


They know that she no longer does.


Thirteen years on, and the story told by the McCanns and their cohorts, though full of absolute holes, seems to be widely accepted – despite the absolute impossibility of their tale – a tale easily taken apart when set to a reconstruction according to their witness statements -  


A bad man took Madeleine – seems to be the order of the day.

But who has ordered that this fantastic tale should be accepted, is as worrying as the McCanns tale itself!

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Post by sandancer on 01.08.20 18:00

Great post ! 

The distancing began immediately " they've taken her " , apart from who are " they " and how Kate knew there was a " they " , " her " ? The McCanns had two daughters , yet everyone seemed to " know " it was Madeleine she was referring to . 

Gerry to Mrs Fenn " a small girl has been taken " , not my daughter , my Madeleine , no asking " did you see or hear anything ?" 

" Where is ... where is ... where is the child " Gerry again . 

" I know what happened wasn't due to the fact of us leaving them sleeping . I know it happened under other circumstances . I know the situation we were in that night " 



Oh how I wish she'd tell us what those " other circumstances " are ! 

The " situation " they were in , again not Madeleine , themselves . 
Kate is very fond of saying she " knew KNEW " because she was " there " ( saying it in capitals doesn't make it true ) but she does " know more than you do " 

Of that I have no doubt .

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Post by miffy8 on 01.08.20 18:37

Yes it is littered with distancing language. When KM spoke about Madeleine asking where were they when her and Shaun cried she doesn't answer the question she instead applies distancing language on Madeleine's behalf saying she moved on to talk about something else 'that popped into her head'. Madeleine was a very inquisitive child and I can't see her not waiting for an answer to this and changing tack that readily. I think this is very telling and suggests to me that she might not have been around to be furnished with an answer.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 01.08.20 19:58

Spot on Verdi! Great post.
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Post by Verdi on 01.08.20 21:54

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Spot on Verdi! Great post.

Not guilty M'Lud.  

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It was posted by new member 'Secondthoughts2'.  I only moved it from the Video of the Day thread, because it was misplaced.  It was too long for a quick screenshot, so I opted to copy and paste.

Sorry for the confusion.  I can't follow the normal route for moving posts when posted on the video thread, my computer crashes due to the number of videos uploaded on the thread.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 02.08.20 10:55

Ah ok. Great post then to Secondthoughts2. 👊
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Post by Secondthoughts2 on 02.08.20 12:22

Peter Mac – e.book
Curtains, windows, door- Chapter 3
 
I was reading the above (and viewing the images) and as stated, the bed over by the window is messy, unmade. 

It is claimed that Kate McCann slept here the night previous to 3rd May.

The bed closest to the door where it is claimed Madeleine slept, is neat and tidy, as though no one had slept there/or at least if someone did, it was someone who did not move around much in their sleep/did not disturb bed clothes when getting out of bed.

What struck me is, that Kate McCann demonstrates how the curtains had been drawn closed.

Did she or Gerry McCann do this when they put the kids to bed on night of the 3rd May - closed the curtains?  

It appears odd to me that any parent who was at some point in the morning/during the day/in the evening of 3rd May making up so neatly, the bed where it is claimed Madeleine slept, would not do likewise with the other bed in that same room.  Particularly so, when it is further claimed that the curtains had been drawn closed. 

If either of the McCanns drew the curtains closed, made up bed closest to the door so neatly (presumably he/she made cots up too, as one would do) so why would they not make up the bed at the window, even if only to draw the top bed cover over when they were over by that bed, to draw the curtains closed?  It’s the natural thing to do.  

When were curtains supposedly drawn closed?  That day? Day before?  Always closed throughout their stay?

I cannot think of any time when I have made up only one bed in a room where there are two requiring to be made up!

Is it possible that Madeleine was never in the bed closest to the door on the night of 3rd May? (Did not Gerry McCann say Madeleine was lying on top of the bedclothes and not sleeping between them?  Was that said to account for bed being so neat?)

Is it possible she was put to bed, in the bed over by the window?

Is it possible she woke and got out of bed at door, and went over to the bed at the window?   It looks as though a kid may have bounced around on it!

Is it possible Kate McCann never slept in this bed at the window the night prior to the 3rd May?

Did police ever find anything to suggest that ONLY Kate McCann had been in that bed at the window?

If scene was set by McCanns- what would be the purpose, if any, of leaving the bed by the window unmade?  And Madeleine's bed left so neat?

What prompted the decision to leave bed at window unmade OR indeed to ‘unmake it?’

How long would they have had to set a scene?

The longer time they had before announcing Madeleine to be missing, one would have to assume the more time they (and who would 'they' be? Kate and Gerry, or others?) had to perfect the scene to fall in line with whatever their story/plan was to be?

But it was not perfected, left themselves wide open, with a story that is, so full of holes, resulting in their story being proven absolutely, to not be truthful.

It’s puzzling to me why that would be if they had a lengthy period of time to perfect it, to get it right.

Was it a case of them having little time (depending what happened to Madeleine) to come up with a story/set a scene OR a case of Gerry and Kate McCann not being entirely on the same page.   One knowing more than the other as to what happened to Madeleine, and not keeping each other up to speed?  But at least one of them having the confidence of another involved/participating member of the group?

The police images of curtains, do absolutely show that Kate McCann was not truthful in her account of whooshing curtains as quite clearly a curtain is lodged tightly between the bed and the wall under window.   So no matter whether she claims the curtains were drawn closed on night of the 3rd or in that same state on every night during their holiday - It's a lie!

I guess she never checked the police file images before she opened her mouth (or maybe they were not available at that time, and she did not realise her lie would so easily be discovered)

An aside.   Is that a little mirror above the bed by the door?  Odd to me to lay a child in a bed where there is a wall hanging which could potentially fall and cause injury.
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Post by crusader on 02.08.20 14:02

Hi @ Secondthoughts2.

The furniture in the children's  room was rearranged. In the photo it shows the bed Madeleine was said to sleep in against the wall, but the bedhead was behind the set of drawers.

It is my belief that the bedhead is in the correct place and the set of drawers had been moved from under the mirror.

The little  table/set of drawers with the lamp on, is what originally divided the beds.
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Post by Lance De Boils on 02.08.20 14:11

Another interesting post. Thank you. Mulling this over. (Again!)
There MUST have been a significant reason for this. None of it fits with the various versions of events.
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Post by Secondthoughts2 on 02.08.20 18:10

Hi @ Crusader and @ Lance De Boils

Thank you both for your replies.

That's interesting Crusader re the behead being behind the chest of drawers (the chest of drawers having been moved so as to move bed against the wall and make room for the two cots presumably?) and it explains why a mirror would be hanging above a bed.  The position of the mirror puzzled me.

So we can take it then that for the duration of the holiday the beds were in the position as in the police file photographs?

@Lance De Boils, like you, I am mulling over once more, the scene in respect of the unmade bed and the neat bed, and the reason, as you say also, for beds to have been left as they were, particularly so, as the assumption has been that McCanns/and perhaps others in their party, had set the scene.  

I'm interested in how much time they had to set the scene as 'time' would naturally play a huge part in how much or how little, the person/s could re-arrange what they felt needed to be, on 3rd May.  And of course account for how much thinking time they had.

So, if scene setting took place - What was their thinking behind leaving an unmade bed?   By having Madeleine's bed so neat, and the toy and blanket placed as they were?  Contradictory scene.

There must have, if they set a scene, been some sort of thought process, a reason as to why the beds should be as they were!

There seems to be very little that adds up at all in respect of scene setting in any of the rooms/areas/windows/doors/ in the apartment and the statements each of the group gave.
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Post by sandancer on 02.08.20 18:28

According to Kates " account of the truth " they moved the furniture on the Saturday they arrived , pushing together the beds in their room and moving the beds , chest of drawers in the children's bedroom to make room for the two travel cots . 
Busy bee's they were on arrival , apparently Madeleine insisted on going swimming with Kate in  freezing cold pool , then they went to the welcome meeting ! 

The cleaner on the Wednesday states one cot was in the parents bedroom but the McCanns deny this ! 

The unmade bed , I wonder if this was to connect with the " broken jemmied shutters , open window and curtains " ( which then became closed and whooshing despite being photographed as tucked behind the bed and chair !) so to stress the " abductor " came through the open window , or when the shutters were proved not to be jemmied he left that way ? 

Plan A , then when something went wrong , resulting in the hastily written timelines desperately trying to get back on track becoming Plan X, Y and Z none of which worked 

Return for a reconstruction ? Err no thanks !

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Post by Lance De Boils on 02.08.20 20:33

A couple of thoughts:
Wouldn't it be more typical for the cots to be in the parents' room?
Also, maybe "sleepovers" were had between the other kids. On holiday this would have been super exciting.
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Post by crusader on 02.08.20 21:20

A good observation Lance De Boils, three excited children in one room doesn't make for an easy life, especially as Madeleine was used to sleeping in her own room at home.

No way would they go right off to sleep, kids being kids, there would be lots of laughter  and getting up to mischief.
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Post by crispbee2000 on 02.08.20 21:57

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Hi @ Crusader and @ Lance De Boils

Thank you both for your replies.

That's interesting Crusader re the behead being behind the chest of drawers (the chest of drawers having been moved so as to move bed against the wall and make room for the two cots presumably?) and it explains why a mirror would be hanging above a bed.  The position of the mirror puzzled me.

So we can take it then that for the duration of the holiday the beds were in the position as in the police file photographs?

@Lance De Boils, like you, I am mulling over once more, the scene in respect of the unmade bed and the neat bed, and the reason, as you say also, for beds to have been left as they were, particularly so, as the assumption has been that McCanns/and perhaps others in their party, had set the scene.  

I'm interested in how much time they had to set the scene as 'time' would naturally play a huge part in how much or how little, the person/s could re-arrange what they felt needed to be, on 3rd May.  And of course account for how much thinking time they had.

So, if scene setting took place - What was their thinking behind leaving an unmade bed?   By having Madeleine's bed so neat, and the toy and blanket placed as they were?  Contradictory scene.

There must have, if they set a scene, been some sort of thought process, a reason as to why the beds should be as they were!

There seems to be very little that adds up at all in respect of scene setting in any of the rooms/areas/windows/doors/ in the apartment and the statements each of the group gave.
My logic takes me to exactly the same place @Secoundthoughts2. The evidence we're presented with creates a MAJOR dichotomy. If Madeleine died earlier in the week it explains an awful lot about how they were able to conceal the body but it makes a nonsense of why the staged abduction was so botched and messy (as if hurried). If Madeleine died on the early evening of the 3rd it makes sense of a botched and messy abduction staging BUT we're then left with an incredibly tight time line and the implausibility of how to make a child disappear without trace in a foreign / unknown country in a way that would allow the parents to later access her corpse and yet be totally undetectable by search teams and dogs at the time - that is until Eddie and Keela turn up....... Let's also not forget Gerry's meet up with Jez. Gerry is either the coldest, hardest best actor in the universe to convince Jez that he was "relaxed and normal", or Jez is in it, or indeed Gerry was completely relaxed and normal because he was unaware of anything disturbing or untoward. I keep saying - JEZ's statement is crucial to this investigation. Is he impartial OR NOT?

On the unmade bed. We have to remember; If Madeleine was ever in apt. 5A (as would seem to be the case from the dog evidence "E&K"), then she had to be manoeuvred out of the apt. post mortem. There are statements about small cars parked in front of 5A, potential Freudian slips by JT and DP about JT carrying Madeleine in the way ascribed to Tannerman, then there's Gerry, his missing minutes and the Tennis bag theories, etc. etc. So we can pick from a number of possible scenarios. Who knows perhaps she did leave the apt. via the window and that's why the bed was crumpled. But in all probability - not alive and by some German patsy abductor.
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Post by Verdi on 03.08.20 0:59

Well, that sure is some crazy notion.

This is fast moving into the realms of fantasy, something it's taken a very long time to eradicate from CMOMM's vision for fact and evidence.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

The forensic photographs contained in the PJ files, first taken by Joao Barreiras in the early hours of Friday 4th May 2007 and the second taken by the police team on the afternoon of Friday 4th, show different interpretations of the same story.  It's debatable whether the change of scene was down to team McCann interference or police activity.

I strongly suggest the latter as the McCanns had moved out of apartment 5a during the night of 3rd/4th May, they wouldn't have been able to alter the crime scene after they vacated.

That aside, I can't see any reason to suppose the furniture in the bedroom occupied by Madeleine and the twins was in any way altered in connection with the contrived abduction scenario - what would be the point?

I can however understand if the parents McCann moved furniture around to accommodate Madeleine and the twins on their arrival at the Ocean Club on Saturday 28th April or early Sunday 29th April.

I feel this is nothing but a wild goose chase.  What you see is what you get - the McCann version of events.  

At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed but not locked, as she said before. She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Kate McCann witness statement - 4th May 2007

This was untrue, as verified by the PJ after their forensic examination of the crime scene.

Trying to ascertain why the spare bed cover was ruffled is like howling at the moon.  The bed cover was forensically examined so if there was any incriminating evidence it would be documented.  It's not!

Move on.

ETA:  Never forget, contrary to media reports in the early days, the crime scene (apartment 5a) was contaminated by the McCann group and various others, before the police were called.  Anyone of them could have been (and were) in the children's bedroom rummaging about.

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Post by Doug D on 03.08.20 8:05

Verdi:
 
‘That aside, I can't see any reason to suppose the furniture in the bedroom occupied by Madeleine and the twins was in any way altered in connection with the contrived abduction scenario - what would be the point?’
 
Who knows what the thinking could have been?
 
The cleaner was clear that on the Wednesday morning one of the cots was in the parents bedroom, presumably between the pushed-together beds and the wardrobes.
 
Had MM been sleeping in the cot in her the parents bedroom, with the twins sharing a cot in the other bedroom? (My daughters twins of similar age still sleep together in same cot.) It would be a bit tight in a travel cot, which is what they appear to be, but manageable.
 
If (and its pure conjecture) GM had been supposed to ‘jemmy the shutters’ but got waylaid by JW, maybe the bed had been ruffled to give the pretence of ‘Mr Abductor’ climbing through the window onto the bed. It would also make some kind of sense to have MM sleeping in that room, otherwise ‘Mr Abductor’ might have taken the wrong child.
 
I don’t think we can dismiss anything, as we just don’t know. That’s what cross-examination’s all about and we don’t have that luxury.
 
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Post by crusader on 03.08.20 9:48

That aside, I can't see any reason to suppose the furniture in the bedroom occupied by Madeleine and the twins was in any way altered in connection with the contrived abduction scenario - what would be the point?

I can however understand if the parents McCann moved furniture around to accommodate Madeleine and the twins on their arrival at the Ocean Club on Saturday 28th April or early Sunday 29th April.

I agree with the above statement by Verdi, also I do find it interesting as to why Madeleines bed was so neat and the bed under the window was unmade.

Perhaps the unmade bed was used as a trampolene by the kids and encouraged by the parents to tire them out before bed. bounce
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Post by sparkyhorrox on 03.08.20 10:36

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Hi @ Crusader and @ Lance De Boils

Thank you both for your replies.

That's interesting Crusader re the behead being behind the chest of drawers (the chest of drawers having been moved so as to move bed against the wall and make room for the two cots presumably?) and it explains why a mirror would be hanging above a bed.  The position of the mirror puzzled me.

So we can take it then that for the duration of the holiday the beds were in the position as in the police file photographs?

@Lance De Boils, like you, I am mulling over once more, the scene in respect of the unmade bed and the neat bed, and the reason, as you say also, for beds to have been left as they were, particularly so, as the assumption has been that McCanns/and perhaps others in their party, had set the scene.  

I'm interested in how much time they had to set the scene as 'time' would naturally play a huge part in how much or how little, the person/s could re-arrange what they felt needed to be, on 3rd May.  And of course account for how much thinking time they had.

So, if scene setting took place - What was their thinking behind leaving an unmade bed?   By having Madeleine's bed so neat, and the toy and blanket placed as they were?  Contradictory scene.

There must have, if they set a scene, been some sort of thought process, a reason as to why the beds should be as they were!

There seems to be very little that adds up at all in respect of scene setting in any of the rooms/areas/windows/doors/ in the apartment and the statements each of the group gave.


Maybe the bed by the window was left ruffled to facilitate the theory of abduction,  escape through the window ?
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Post by miffy8 on 03.08.20 10:45

The cot could have been placed there to prevent the wardrobe door being opened (if it was on that side of the room) The cleaner's account of where the cot was would, in my estimation, be the correct one as she would have no vested interest in telling an untruth. The bed could have been deliberately left like that as it was 'innocent' in the staged abduction scenario and had probably been jumped on by all the kids and generally used as a place to put stuff if it hadn't been being used as a bed and, because of this and, because it would have looked too staged to make the place look completely sterile and pristinely tidy, they left it.

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Post by Verdi on 04.08.20 0:53

As for accusations about DNA evidence against the McCanns, Mr Mitchell said that there "were wholly innocent explanations and Gerry and Kate will be able to explain everything if it gets to that stage.

I put it to you.

Kate McCann's book was published in April/May 2011, four years after the event and three years after the PJ files were released into the public domain.  Plenty of time to work on the detail and create the innocent explanations.

The book is not a documented sequence of events, it's a romanticized record of the story according to McCann law.  In short, a total fabrication in order to deceive with an undertone of wholly innocent explanations to cover every eventuality.

Take it all with a Siberian salt mine, that's all it's worth.  Undoubtedly interesting, a minefield in it's own right, but nonetheless worthless in terms of truth and evidence.

The book had a purpose, not as declared by Kate McCann..

My reason for writing it is simple: to give an account of the truth. It has always been my intention to set down a complete record of what happened to our family, for our children, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie, so that, when they are ready, the facts will be there for them to read. I wanted to make sure they would always have access to a written chronicle of what really happened, no matter how many years have passed. They have already been through too much, and there will be further challenges ahead. Understanding our ordeal will give them the best chance of dealing with whatever life throws at them.

..but more a work of deception for many reasons, but above all else, to conceal the truth and provide that  'wholly innocent explanation' for anything and everything that might be incriminating - no shortage of material there!

I believe that to be the only purpose of the book, the income was a side-line, a perk.

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Post by miffy8 on 04.08.20 13:52

I haven't read it but, from what I can ascertain from the excerpts, KM shouldn't give up the day job! What does puzzle me though and, perhaps someone has an explanation is why would she feel the necessity to create such a work of fiction some four years after the event if there was a coverup?

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Post by Verdi on 04.08.20 15:33

The answer is contained within the post before yours [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

The crucial point being, no one but no one knew, nor anticipated, that the Portuguese case files would be made public.  Up to then it was all plain sailing - well, almost.

Following, there were cries of no one proactively investigating (?), leading eventually to demands that the UK conduct a review of all documentation apertaining to to Madeleine Mccann's disappearance - including work undertaken by the private detectives hired by the Find Madeleine Co Ltd and the double glazing millionaire, Brian Kennedy.  Crooked private detectives I hasten to add.

Add to that, madeleine by KATE MCCANN was published in April/May 2011, coinciding almost to the day with the launch of Operation Grange, established through government auspices.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 05.08.20 20:58

Ok, going to peer over the parapet, but as a passing thought:
When ours were kids, it was quite common for one of us to squash into a single bed with young children for a snuggle. Because they were poorly or unsettled or even just because we wanted to.
Could that have been the case? (I know, I know. Just pondering.)
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Post by Secondthoughts2 on 28.08.20 11:24

Kate McCann -  'madeleine'-


"The travel cots we’d requested for Sean and Amelie had been placed in the back bedroom. 


As there were full length patio doors here, TOO, and it was bigger and brighter, we decided to put the three children in the front bedroom, knowing they’d only be using their room to sleep in, and to take this one ourselves. 

We removed the cots and shoved the twin beds together. 

In the other room we pushed the beds further apart, positioning each against a wall, to make room for the cots, which we placed in between them.”



Out curiosity - where did these patio doors (in parents room)  lead to, if anywhere?  Could McCanns for instance exit the patio doors in their room and walk round to the 'unlocked' patio doors?  Were they left unlocked also?

Between McCanns apartment, and one next door - was it possible for someone to climb easily from one to the other?

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Post by crusader on 28.08.20 12:45

I have wondered about this as well. The patio doors in the parents bedroom came out onto the same balcony as the other patio doors just a bit further along.

It would have been easy to climb over the wall, I have looked at photos of the wall to see if there was any sign of disturbance on the top but I cant see anything.

The dog did show an interest in the McCann garden just below the separating wall which is what got me wondering about it in the first place.
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