Re: McCanns to appear in libel trial on Monday 16 June

by sami 16.06.14 20:33

Lance De Boils wrote:
As for Amaral's stunt this morning - he must have had very good reason. My gut feeling is that he was advised or even told to delay the trial any which way he could. Maybe in ten days time we will understand more. I hope so, anyway.

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There. That's my take on it all.

I have been hoping this too. However, why would he need to do this ? There was no decision due today, so why was such drastic action necessary ? Would it not have been acceptable to allow today to proceed, the delay could then happen whilst the judge deliberated.

by tasprin 16.06.14 20:33

A reminder from 1 September 2013

Express

Isabel Duarte, the McCanns’ lawyer in Lisbon, said: “Kate and Gerry do not have to give evidence so they do not need to be here. I am confident of winning.” She is seeking damages for Kate, Gerry and their twins Sean and Amelie, plus further damages for the harm caused to the search for Madeleine.

It is expected some of the McCanns’ family will give evidence at the trial to explain the impact Mr Amaral’s allegations had on them and on the global hunt for the missing child.

A source said: “Because of the sensitivity of the situation, police don’t want the McCanns anywhere near the country because they fear it could turn into a media circus. They have faith in the Yard investigation and will do what the police feel is best. It will be bad enough having all the old allegations dragged up again and repeated. No doubt Mr Amaral will want to say his bit outside the court and it will all flare up again. It will not be helpful for the Yard.”

Heart specialist Gerry and former GP Kate, both 45, of Rothley, Leicestershire, have vowed never to give up the search for Madeleine, who would now be 10.

Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said yesterday: “The court process in Portugal is in the hands of Kate and Gerry’s lawyers and is purely a matter for them to proceed with.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/425994/Madeleine-Fresh-agony-for-Kate-and-Gerry-McCann[/b]

by Mirage 16.06.14 20:37

Newintown wrote:
JackieL wrote:Well, gotta say I'm really shocked at what Amaral has done today. From my reading of the case, all I thought he had to do was turn up to win.

I can only assume he's sacked his lawyer 'cos he didn't like the closing argument he was going to make -maybe the lawyer didn't want to include any reference to this latest allegation that Gerry was seen going towards the sea. Who knows?

Anyway, from someone used to Anglo-Saxon rules of justice, I'm worried that Amaral may have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Hope not.

I doubt GA would have taken this decision lightly and there must have been something in the wind that made him delay the court proceedings. After all he has £ or Euro 1.5m at stake, he has to get everything right to defeat the McCanns and show the World what they are like and what is behind this libel case..

I agree Newintown. Looking at it in the round the Mcs would have woken up to the CdM reports, right there in Lisbon. And IMO these reports hint at darker things to come. They are very very serious allegations indeed and have to be based on some sort of evidence.

GA has kept his powder dry for seven excruciating years and is hardly likely to blow a fuse now. I am certain he has his family's welfare at the forefront of his thinking and he will not allow the Mcs to inflict any further damage in that quarter if he can help it.

I believe he has wrested control from two controlling entities. It is the one thing that has made them fall apart, right there on the Lisbon courthouse steps in front of the world. Gone is the controlled demeanour of KM and other elements to her personality were clearly visible. Pugnacious comes to mind. People all over the world will contrast that angry response to a postponed libel trial with formerly controlled presentations (well, apart from the inappropriate giggling when asked about sightings and age progressed pictures of their missing child).

Unfortunately, the Mcs and their expensive lawyers didn't see this one coming. Who did?

In the end, I believe they will be brought down by greed and hubris as many here have opined. They have had the tables turned on them, and without a pre-prepared script they are worse than useless. I mean, whoever would have thought she would trot out the line about arranging babysitters? It's alarmingly bad. Even old Gerry registered irony overload.

And just a reminder of happier days with the shadow of arguidoship newly lifted. Pugnacious yes. Hubristic , yes. But defo not angry. And double defo, not in any pain. Almost two different people, don't you think?

by lj 16.06.14 20:42

tasprin wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
cockerspaniel wrote:
ShuBob wrote:Snip

Neither have I!
well i have read everyword on this thread and there ARE comments about Kmcanns anorexic arms, the constant snipes at her appearance and them being called effing tossers etc. IF you read ALL the thread you will see them to. i just think this site can do without it as it helps in NO way that i can see. and before you ask me to highlight lines for you im not going to go back tnrough 84 pages to prove my point.. but the comments are there.

with regards to stating things as fact kev mack, you said that MBM was officially of the docket, i thought she wasnt, ultimathule seemed to confirm my view, then someone else i think negated it...hence i am still confused re this point. if you can point me to where it officially says that she is of the docket so i can check for myself, that would be much appreciated. apologies to you KMack if i. wrong.!

I thought you were referring to posters sniping amongst themselves.

On the point you raise about commenting on Kate's appearance etc, I actually agree with you.

So do I... but, the f**king tosser comment is often repeated in jest because it is how Kate McCann described a PJ officer and is recorded for posterity in her book "Madeleine".

From 'Madeleine' by Kate McCann:
: «...“Under my breath I found myself whispering, “f*cking tosser, f*cking tosser”. This quiet chant somehow kept me strong, kept me in control. This man did not deserve my respect. ‘F*cking tosser’…” » Kate McCann in her book titled Madeleine, on the disdain she felt towards the Portuguese police liaison officer
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-sort-of-open-letter-to-mrs-duarte.html

Kate's anorexia is rather important to understand the dynamics. Not all snipes are snipes, and maybe the snipes about snipes are more snipes than what was originally branded as snipes. It pays to wonder why certain remarks are made.

by TheTruthWillOut 16.06.14 20:46

lj wrote:Kate's anorexia is rather important to understand the dynamics. Not all snipes are snipes, and maybe the snipes about snipes are more snipes than what was originally branded as snipes. It pays to wonder why certain remarks are made.

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by canada12 16.06.14 20:56

Just think. If Madeleine is alive (as her parents keep insisting she is), then she'd be 11 years old and fully able to read and watch TV and understand exactly what her parents were saying today. They've obviously not stopped to consider what their "we have to find someone to look after the kids, we have to book hotels" whine would sound like to their almost-adolescent daughter. The one they want everyone to believe they're still looking for and who is just waiting to be found. Big mistake on their part. If they really believed their daughter was alive, they'd stop with the mantra and address her directly, having been given the platform and opportunity by the press.

"We're so sorry about this delay, Madeleine. We'll do everything within our power to try and bring you home."
Said Kate and Gerry McCann, never.

by noddy100 16.06.14 20:57

I think watching that clip they are no longer together or united at all
The butting in she did was relentless Gerry got irritated but on she went
It wasn't the earlier polished Gerry with fawning wife and seemed unrehearsed and shambolic

by DonNewbery 16.06.14 21:00

cockerspaniel wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
kevmack wrote:
Thank you Ultimathule, I do wish people would stop stating something as "fact" when it is no such thing, thus causing timewasting and thread derailing. Also i have to say that this thread has a certain "hate" thread running through it that leaves me a bit uncomfortable (and im sure others too) and that the thread could function perfectly well without it. constant effing and jeffing and snipping at peoples appearance just reduces it to playground level. I know its been said before but we really dont need to lower ourselves to the same level as the pro's. !!!

Sorry, who is stating things as fact when they are not, and how would that be considered to be time wasting or thread derailing? Also not sure what you mean about this being a hate thread..I don't think I've seen anyone swear, sniping or any other type of rudeness, in fact this thread has been, thankfully, totally clear of that, I haven't seen one impolite disagreement at all.

Neither have I!
well i have read everyword on this thread and there ARE comments about Kmcanns anorexic arms, the constant snipes at her appearance and them being called effing tossers etc. IF you read ALL the thread you will see them to. i just think this site can do without it as it helps in NO way that i can see. and before you ask me to highlight lines for you im not going to go back tnrough 84 pages to prove my point.. but the comments are there.

with regards to stating things as fact kev mack, you said that MBM was officially of the docket, i thought she wasnt, ultimathule seemed to confirm my view, then someone else i think negated it...hence i am still confused re this point. if you can point me to where it officially says that she is of the docket so i can check for myself, that would be much appreciated. apologies to you KMack if i. wrong.!

I agree with you 100 per cent. There's far too much emotional language, using ridiculous epithets like 'the rotweilers'. I don't think it does the cause any good, and is the way one would expect the other side to behave.

by Guest 16.06.14 21:01

AndyB wrote:Trying to be positive, could it be that GA has had a disagreement with his lawyer over the bombshell that he (GA) delivered to the court this morning. I may be reading too much into the tweet but it said that GA had delivered the bombshell not his lawyer. Perhaps the lawyer refused to submit it.

Pages behind but that is my worry too. Has the stress got to him? It must be so awful to be in GA's position.

I posted yesterday about Johanna Morais's bullet points in her last blog, where she says he has futher lawsuits every time he does an interview. I can see a lawyer reading the CdM this morning and saying 'you said what'. Sure you can imagine the heated argument to follow. Feeling depressed.

Kind of OT but did antone else noticed in JM blog she referred to the 'snail' being owned by Sonae. Just google Sonae Kirby Liverpool. Really controversial company - the Liverpool site makes wood chip and has a very poor reputation. It has now closed after a number of years. Don't think I'd want to dig on any ground they owned.

by ultimaThule 16.06.14 21:02

Lance De Boils wrote:Well, well, well.
What a day this turned out to be.

Astonishing that the McCanns can book themselves a trip to Portugal when there's a chance of a big payout, yet were nowhere to be seen when the British and Pt police were out there digging for their missing child.

Then, the audacity of Kate whinging and whining about making childcare arrangements, booking flights and hotels and taking time off work (surely only applying to Gerry, that bit?)

Well, Kate and Gerry - it's all of your own doing. YOU brought this court case, YOU. So actually, you DON'T HAVE TO inconvenience yourselves so - you could just DROP IT. YOUR CHOICE.

And if, as Gerry said, your visit to Lisbon today was all about SEARCHING for Madeleine, then I hope you made the most of your unexpected free time and went off to do some ACTUAL searching yourselves. Giving a well-rehearsed sob story in a court room does NOT equal SEARCHING. Searching for money, yes, but your daughter? Most definitely not.

Still, at least more people now will have seen how ugly you both are. And I'm referring to what lies beneath the facade. What an angry pair you are.

As for Amaral's stunt this morning - he must have had very good reason. My gut feeling is that he was advised or even told to delay the trial any which way he could. Maybe in ten days time we will understand more. I hope so, anyway.

There. That's my take on it all.

Meanwhile, back in the UK the jury in another trial is still out winkwink

by Snifferdog 16.06.14 21:05

Newintown wrote:
Ochosi wrote:Just had a chance to watch it. I think at around 1:41, the question is:
"Don't you think he might be in pain too, Mr Amaral" to which Kate replies "Why?".
Apologies for repetition if this has already been cleared up.

Gerry didn't look happy at Kate speaking at any point, I thought.
BBC just managed to do a very good plug for the best seller and the theory that it covers.

Kate feels no pain for anyone, other than herself and that she and G may be found out. The fact that they have frozen GA's assets for 5 years, he has no money to support himself and is living off friends' help shows how cold she is. He has 2 children, but that doesn't deter her from making him "feel pain".

The fact that both her and G made Madeleine "feel pain" doesn't even enter her brain cells, as long as they can make £££££ out of GA. Neither of them seem to have the decency to even admit that Madeleine "felt pain" if she was left alone and had an injury and died in the apartment while there were out wining and dining with friends, or whether she was abducted by a paedophile as GM was so quick to tell everyone but according to GM in his statement today, that there is still no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm (even in the hands of a paedophile, yes, nice try GM but I don't think it washes with most of us. Do you think Madeleine and her paedophile friend will be playing tiddly winks and scrabble by the way, I'm sure Madeleine has been loving every minute of the past 7 years with her paedophile friend).

Imo. Classic psychopathic behavior. Psychopaths' are unable to feel empathy for others, only themselves. Utter and total selfishness.

by nglfi 16.06.14 21:07

I'm still a bit in shock if I'm honest that Goncalo has come out with this information about the coffin scenario. He is not a serving police officer, and these are serious allegations. Surely what we are entering now is endgame, for sure. I don't think Amaral would be as silly as to throw it all away when he was clearly on the verge of winning. He must have some knowledge of what is about to happen, which is why he also mentioned the second sighting of Gerry on the beach. I have faith that, as Gerry says, this is part of a strategy. It will be fascinating to see what happens over the next ten days.

by Gillyspot 16.06.14 21:08

lj wrote:
tasprin wrote:
ShuBob wrote:
cockerspaniel wrote:
ShuBob wrote:Snip

Neither have I!
well i have read everyword on this thread and there ARE comments about Kmcanns anorexic arms, the constant snipes at her appearance and them being called effing tossers etc. IF you read ALL the thread you will see them to. i just think this site can do without it as it helps in NO way that i can see. and before you ask me to highlight lines for you im not going to go back tnrough 84 pages to prove my point.. but the comments are there.

with regards to stating things as fact kev mack, you said that MBM was officially of the docket, i thought she wasnt, ultimathule seemed to confirm my view, then someone else i think negated it...hence i am still confused re this point. if you can point me to where it officially says that she is of the docket so i can check for myself, that would be much appreciated. apologies to you KMack if i. wrong.!

I thought you were referring to posters sniping amongst themselves.

On the point you raise about commenting on Kate's appearance etc, I actually agree with you.

So do I... but, the f**king tosser comment is often repeated in jest because it is how Kate McCann described a PJ officer and is recorded for posterity in her book "Madeleine".

From 'Madeleine' by Kate McCann:
: «...“Under my breath I found myself whispering, “f*cking tosser, f*cking tosser”. This quiet chant somehow kept me strong, kept me in control. This man did not deserve my respect. ‘F*cking tosser’…” » Kate McCann in her book titled Madeleine, on the disdain she felt towards the Portuguese police liaison officer
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-sort-of-open-letter-to-mrs-duarte.html

Kate's anorexia is rather important to understand the dynamics. Not all snipes are snipes, and maybe the snipes about snipes are more snipes than what was originally branded as snipes. It pays to wonder why certain remarks are made.

I have no idea whether Kate is anorexic or not but she is painfully thin (but has been from day one IMO).

What I instantly noted is that she has bought ANOTHER new dress. This time in dull dishwater grey. This along with her hair scraped back & less make up was all part of an act for the judge (in my opinion of course).

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by sallypelt 16.06.14 21:12

nglfi wrote:I'm still a bit in shock if I'm honest that Goncalo has come out with this information about the coffin scenario. He is not a serving police officer, and these are serious allegations. Surely what we are entering now is endgame, for sure. I don't think Amaral would be as silly as to throw it all away when he was clearly on the verge of winning. He must have some knowledge of what is about to happen, which is why he also mentioned the second sighting of Gerry on the beach. I have faith that, as Gerry says, this is part of a strategy. It will be fascinating to see what happens over the next ten days.

Why 10 days? I thought that the trial resumes on the 10th of July, or have I got it wrong?

by nglfi 16.06.14 21:21

Sorry, I just meant the ten days that Amaral has to get a new lawyer.
It's my thinking that he must think something is going to happen imminently, which is why he got the postponement today.

by sallypelt 16.06.14 21:25

nglfi wrote:Sorry, I just meant the ten days that Amaral has to get a new lawyer.
It's my thinking that he must think something is going to happen imminently, which is why he got the postponement today.

Thank you, nglfi. I've seen 10 days mentioned a few times, today, and I began questioning if I had got it wrong. So the 10 days is the time given for Dr Amaral to get a new lawyer. That's cleared up that confusion thumbsup

by Lance De Boils 16.06.14 21:25

McCann libel trial delay 'an attempt to wear us down'
8 hours ago
The trial has been postponed of a former Portuguese police chief accused of libel over comments he made about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Kate and Gerry McCann said the delay, caused by the sacking of his legal team by Goncalo Amaral, caused "more pain and distress".
Madeleine's parents had been due to explain in court how accusations in a book by the officer affected them.
They say claims they hid Madeleine's body and faked an abduction after she died in an accident damaged the search for her and exacerbated their anguish.
The trial will resume in 10 days' time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27870998

I took the '10 days' from this. Haven't checked it's correct. Anyone?

by missmar1 16.06.14 21:30

nglfi wrote:I'm still a bit in shock if I'm honest that Goncalo has come out with this information about the coffin scenario. He is not a serving police officer, and these are serious allegations. Surely what we are entering now is endgame, for sure. I don't think Amaral would be as silly as to throw it all away when he was clearly on the verge of winning. He must have some knowledge of what is about to happen, which is why he also mentioned the second sighting of Gerry on the beach. I have faith that, as Gerry says, this is part of a strategy. It will be fascinating to see what happens over the next ten days.

I dont think for one minute that Mr Amaral would make himself a target for another libel ( coffin scenario ) unless he was very certain of his claims - he has waited many years for this trial and I dont believe he would jeopardise his chances of winning at this very crucial time. I believe he knows exactly what he is doing and for what ends....
Btw, am still thinking about the odd remark Gerry Mccann came out with today : " seriously injured" ? I have never heard him say that before in all the years he has commented on his missing child ...

by TheTruthWillOut 16.06.14 21:31

Lance De Boils wrote:
McCann libel trial delay 'an attempt to wear us down'
8 hours ago
The trial has been postponed of a former Portuguese police chief accused of libel over comments he made about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Kate and Gerry McCann said the delay, caused by the sacking of his legal team by Goncalo Amaral, caused "more pain and distress".
Madeleine's parents had been due to explain in court how accusations in a book by the officer affected them.
They say claims they hid Madeleine's body and faked an abduction after she died in an accident damaged the search for her and exacerbated their anguish.
The trial will resume in 10 days' time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27870998

I took the '10 days' from this. Haven't checked it's correct. Anyone?

On the ITV News earlier they said the trial will continue in July....*Shrug* Can't trust anyone anymore to get basic facts straight, not even the BBC.

by fossey 16.06.14 21:31

At the end of the day, GA is a very astute and smart man. He has literally his life riding on the outcome of this. He would not in a million years do anything reckless to jeopardise it.

He is playing a clever game. Deliberate and calculated. He knows exactly what he is doing. The sacking of his lawyer for postponement would of been worked out and discussed (with his lawyer) well in advance. Not a Monday morning spur of the moment thing.

He has said all along that he has an 'Ace up his sleeve' so very soon I'm expecting him to show his full hand.

What ever his reason's are for today you can rest assure he know's exactly what he is doing.

by maebee 16.06.14 21:56

Missmar1 wrote:
Btw, am still thinking about the odd remark Gerry Mccann came out with today : " seriously injured" ? I have never heard him say that before in all the years he has commented on his missing child ...

Like, it would be ok if she had only been mildly injured. Another one to add to his list of unbelievable statements.

by fossey 16.06.14 21:57

Piers Morgan getting some right stick and rightly so for the comments he tweeted earlier.

Always thought he was a muppet.

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[ltr]Actually, there is something worse. Vile, vicious trolls abusing the McCanns for what happened to Madeleine. Despicable people.[/ltr]
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[ltr]My heart absolutely breaks for Kate & Gerry McCann. Can't imagine anything worse than what they are enduring. Just pray they get closure.[/ltr][/size]

[ltr]My heart absolutely breaks for Kate & Gerry McCann. Can't imagine anything worse than what they are enduring. Just pray they get [/ltr]

by fossey 16.06.14 22:00

by Joey Deacon 16.06.14 22:03

fossey wrote:

Superb

by JackieL 16.06.14 22:11

Gerry today:

"People can have their own opinions of us............"

Apparently not. That's why we're here, isn't it?

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