Free- Speech in the UK?

Ask Tommy Robinson if he is addicted to crowd adoration.

aquila wrote:Ask Tommy Robinson if he is addicted to crowd adoration.

Hi aquila,adoration is one thing,but when you jeopardise your close family relationship to being targeted to harassment,violence is another point entirely?

It s a hard thing to fathom out just how far a person will allow themselves to be drawn into conflict situations?

Are these just "passionate beliefs" or another type of dogma takes a hold,where you are afraid to turn back what is happening,where supposedly things develop,spiral out of control and before you have time to blink,the event has happened,you've pushed the boundaries too far,your in clink?

I state this as not in defence of Mr Robinson or the other side of the group that Mr Robinson was targeting,Two wrongs do not make a right.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Tommy Robinson convicted for mortgage fraud.

aquila wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Tommy Robinson convicted for mortgage fraud.

It was a slim case.

He described Robinson as a "fixer" who had introduced others to fraudulent mortgage broker Deborah Rothschild.


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The prison sentence was totally unwarranted.

It was the only way they could put him away.

Now they've done it again.

Tommy is a political prisoner.

You need to stand up for EVERYONE's freedom of speech or next time it might be you.

Great debate. I am warming to the valid points being made.

Hi blueBag, I totally understand your point,"Tommy is a Political Prisoner",but if the state your fighting against is corrupt,how can you possibly win?
At the End of the day,everyone is expected to Not break the Law?
Laws are made,passed,amended within Parliament and most Laws are to protect those who have something to lose,see how far you get for justice without the"Legal representation"?
Hence cuts to the legal aid budgets consistently for years by the Conservative party,just a few years ago,this party did not care how much an hour workers were to be paid,hence,Zero Hour contracts

If Zero hour contracts are so Good,why aren't our MP's on Zero Hours,can you just imagine the cries from the front Benches,"We are only being paid for Two Hours Today,how am I supposed to keep my Family and home together without a decent income?

Those who make the rules,Never have to adhere to the same applicable rules,the refined Lords and Ladies on £300.00 per day whilst the plebs who are unemployed £68.00 per week,with No subsidsed Food or Wine, Beers to offset their hardships!

willowthewisp wrote:Those who make the rules,Never have to adhere to the same applicable rules...

Read it and weep.

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The City of London Corporation is an abomination.

And nobody talks about it (because it would be anti something or other), certainly not the current lot in Parliament.

Who elected "The Remembrancer"  to the House of Commons?

No one, that's who.

BlueBag wrote:

willowthewisp wrote:Those who make the rules,Never have to adhere to the same applicable rules...

Read it and weep.

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The City of London Corporation is an abomination.

And nobody talks about it (because it would be anti something or other), certainly not the current lot in Parliament.

Who elected "The Remembrancer"  to the House of Commons?

No one, that's who.

So One Herbert Morrison,wished to close down the House of Lords in the 1930's and yet who now sits firmly in the den of inequity nest,his Grandson,Peter Mandelson,he of the gift of £375,000 from Geoffrey Robinson as part of Mr Mandelsons illegal Mortgage from when he was an MP,where he was allowed to borrow more against his income,than another person under the same rules?
Mr Mandelson became embroiled in the "Hindujha" Brothers passport scandal with Mr O'Brien,which then led to another scandal of the Big Green House near Cornwall and the fiasco over the Car parking arrangement,eh Peter the "Crab" Mandelson! 
So even then MP John McDonnell was financially astute to how these Lords were behaving,fleecing the Tax payer,but the plebs can pick up the tab?

I think it should be taught in all Schools/Universities Teaching of how the,"House of Commons" and "City of London" is run,so that at least,when and if candidates aspire to University,they can pass on knowledge to their Family of how the "System is Rigged" against the populace at their expense?

Do you think in the "Free Speech" institutions they would still proscribe for the Universities to charge £9000 per annum to be taught of how the corrupt system works or doesn't work for the poorest in society!

It is little wonder as to why certain elements wish to close down CMoMM,with certain sections debating how the UK is Governed, "Freedom Of speech" but only if we let you !

In our Parliamentary Democracy we are all equal before the eyes of the law ( only some are more equal than others )  .... we all have free speech ( only, some have more freedom than others )

What use is turning up to mass protests that have no purpose other than to garner people to rock up in London wearing  ghoul masks and pretend to be angry.

It really is a perfect plan.

No such thing as freedom of speech - never was never will be.

I seem to remember , at the end of The Hutton Inquiry, someone threw a bucket of whitewash at the entrance of Downing Street.....quite appropriate in the circumstances I would have thought !

Verdi wrote:No such thing as freedom of speech - never was never will be.

You're right of course.

If you want to know who is in charge make a list of those you can't criticise by law.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for as much free speech as we can get.

Some is better than none (which is where we are heading).

Look up Andrew Norfolk, the beautiful face of journalism, seek his video on You Tube and watch this man explain not only how he was backed by his editor of the Times, not only how he pursued something so heinously covered up but the  humility of this man and the heart-breaking anguish he endured to expose poison.

Thank you for posting this video Blue Bag, which I have watched to the end. We have similar issues in my surrounding towns so I understand where he is coming from. I daren't go to Bradford or Halifax but in Dewsbury the Asian drug dealers are driving around with guns with all the confidence in the world. Things are getting out of control and something needs to be done about it.

Aquila , I  have watched the video of Andrew Norfolk, also the video posted by Blue Bag. I can recommend both videos

The story of David Shayler ( former MI5 officer )  is also very interesting in relation to this thread.

alanoakman wrote:I seem to remember , at the end of The Hutton Inquiry, someone threw a bucket of whitewash at the entrance of Downing Street.....quite appropriate in the circumstances I would have thought !

What a pity the Prime Minister wasn't standing in the entrance at the same time.

Verdi wrote:

alanoakman wrote:I seem to remember , at the end of The Hutton Inquiry, someone threw a bucket of whitewash at the entrance of Downing Street.....quite appropriate in the circumstances I would have thought !

What a pity the Prime Minister wasn't standing in the entrance at the same time.

Martin Bell was never the Prime Minister of the UK,he was the only one to wear a "White Suit though"?

Was this a signal much like the white Feathers,who were not resilient enough to Fight in the Wars,yet the seemingly Tough Military men shot dead the Men,who refused to go over the Top,as "Cowards",the finest "British Military Commanders" sat on their arses sending vulnerable people to there deaths,slaughtered by the Generals, "Got to keep Order in the Ranks,you know"?

Even Martin Bell couldn't change the "System" after becoming elected to Parliament,they eventually wore down his resistance by ignoring his questions or "time out the sessions" meaning No change!

No doubt naming these occasions as "Political exuberance"?

Victory for free speech with end of libel cost law - as Rishi Sunak moves to scrap 'draconian' legislation that could make newspapers pay legal costs for both sides in libel and privacy cases regardless of who wins
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Rishi Sunak will scrap a controversial law that could make newspapers pay legal costs for both sides in libel and privacy cases – regardless of who wins.

Ministers have been concerned about the threat to free speech posed by the 'draconian' legislation, known as Section 40. Now a repeal of the law will be included in Tuesday's King's Speech, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

A Government source told the MoS that a free press is 'a key part of our democracy' – and that 'forcing publishers to pay the costs of legal actions, win or lose, risks undermining press freedom'.
Section 40 of the Crime and Courts Act – to give it its full name – means that news publishers would have to pay the costs of any court judgment if they are not a member of an 'approved regulator', whatever the outcome of the case.

But no national newspapers have signed up to the only state-approved regulator, Impress, which was established with funding from Max Mosley, in the wake of the Leveson Inquiry into the press.

Rishi Sunak will scrap a controversial law that could make newspapers pay legal costs for both sides in libel and privacy cases – regardless of who wins
Rishi Sunak will scrap a controversial law that could make newspapers pay legal costs for both sides in libel and privacy cases – regardless of who wins

Instead most national and local newspapers are members of the independent regulator Ipso.

One insider working on the repeal said the 'draconian law represents a real threat to media freedom. It's worse than SLAPPs': referring to vexatious legal claims used by the rich to try to muzzle journalists.

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Sunak puts economy and public safety at heart of King’s Speech plans
Meanwhile, politicians and free-speech campaigners have warned that the law, which has been on the statute book for years but never brought into effect, has had a chilling effect on free speech and risks 'financial ruin' for publishers.

Culture Minister Sir John Whittingdale, has described it as a 'sword of Damocles hanging over all sections of the press. I know how important it was for the industry [to repeal Section 40], and I certainly never thought it was right for any government to force a state regulator upon them.'

Last Monday Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer said the Government will legislate to tackle 'unscrupulous lawsuits' and spoke out against the 'full force of legal threats and pressure from the rich and powerful who try to keep their secrets secret'.

The plans to repeal Section 40 will be set out in the forthcoming Media Bill and will be seen as a major victory for a free press.

But last night a Government source warned that Labour, which opposes the scrapping of Section 40, would reverse the plans.