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Post by Verdi 20.10.21 12:21

Talk about history repeating itself!

The name McCann has become a by-word for missing children.

Bravo Mrs McCann, your prominence as ambassador for the missing persons charity has sure paid off.

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She probably takes that as a compliment.  I  couldn't watch more that a couple of minutes of that video. I've seen people more upset when their dinner is late.
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WHERE'S CLEO? Former Madeleine McCann cop fears Cleo Smith, 4, was snatched like Brit toddler as four key clues point to abduction

Felix Allen

14:55, 20 Oct 2021Updated: 14:55, 20 Oct 2021

FOUR clues could hold the key to finding missing Cleo Smith - as a former Met detective says she may have been snatched like Madeleine McCann.

Cops are searching for the fifth day after the four-year-old vanished from her family's tent on a remote campsite in Western Australia.
Cleo Smith, four, is feared to have been snatched from her family's tent

Last night Cleo's distraught mum Ellie told how she frantically drove around looking for her when she realised she was gone at 6am.

Officers have urged locals to check their bins for evidence as no trace has yet been found by a forensics team that flew up from Perth 500 miles away.

Cleo's sleeping bag and pink pyjamas have also vanished.

It was reported last night that up to 20 known sex offenders live in in the area, and a car was heard screeching near the campsite.

Police in Western Australia also revealed the tent zip is too high for little Cleo to have opened it herself, and they fear she may have been abducted.

Criminologist Dr Graham Hill, a former Scotland Yard detective superintendent who worked on the Madeleine McCann probe, agrees that is a likely line of inquiry.

Four key clues

POLICE searching for missing Cleo Smith are faced with four crucial lines of enquiry that suggest she may have been snatched.

Missing sleeping bag: Not only was there no sign of Cleo when her parents woke, but her red and black sleeping bag was also gone. Experts question whether she would have taken it with her if she had simply wandered off on her own. Police released a photo of a similar bag, along with Cleo's distinctive pink pyjamas. They urged local residents to check their bins in case evidence had been dumped inside.

Tent zip "too high": The door flap on the family tent was had been zipped so high it would have been impossible for a four-year-old to reach, said Inspector Jon Munday. He added: “The positioning of that zipper for the flap is one of the circumstances that has caused us to have grave concerns for Cleo’s safety. That tent has been thoroughly examined by our forensic team.”

"Screeching car tyres": Deputy Police Commissioner Darryl Gaunt confirmed cops were looking into a camper’s report of a car heard screeching about 3am - 90 minutes after Cleo's mum last saw her in the tent. “It’s a little bit unsubstantiated but we’re not ruling it out,” he said, adding it was just one of several reports from people who noticed odd activities and noises overnight.

Usual suspects: Police said between ten and 20 sex offenders were known to be in the area around the Blowholes campsite, near Carnarvon, Western Australia. Detectives said they have spoken to them all to check their movements, and none are suspects at this stage. They also conceded said any kidnapper could have left the area before police set up roadblocks.

Dr Hill added the first hours in any missing child investigation were crucial.

He said: “You need to try and identify everyone that was on that campsite.

“Identify everybody, every vehicle, and make sure that they are seen and spoken to early on.

“Because there’s two things. One is they could be suspects themselves. The second thing is they could be witnesses.

“Ideally you’d stop everyone leaving the campsite until they’ve given their details and you’ve spoken to them.”

Dr Hill also believes the remote location is helpful for investigators.

He said: “The general rule of thumb is the less people around the more time you’ve got.

“So if a little girl goes missing in the middle of Sydney, then you’re fighting the clock, because you’ve got more people that have access to take the child.

“Whereas if you’re in a remote campsite, there’s fewer people around, then that’s going to give you a bit more time to play with.”
'RACE AGAINST TIME'

Police, SES volunteers and drones are continuing to search the area.

Detectives said they are holding out hope Cleo may be found alive, following the "miracle" survival of a three-year-old who spent three days alone in the bush in New South Wales.

But Insp Jon Munday warned she could “potentially be anywhere now” given that five days have passed since she was last seen.

He said: “We can’t rule out the fact that Cleo may be still in the area, we can’t rule out the fact she’s left the area and if she’s left the area, that is probably is our worst case scenario because that really paints a sinister picture with what’s happened.

“It is a race against time. We’re just trying to find answers.”

On Wednesday, anguished mum Ellie appealed for the public's help as she revealed the last time she saw Cleo.

She said her daughter woke at 1.30am on Saturday asking for water, then went back to sleep in a separate compartment alongside her baby sister.

At 6am Ellie woke to see the door flap almost open and Cleo nowhere to be seen.

She said she scoured the Blowholes campsite before getting in her car and “driving around everywhere”.

"We realised we had to call the cops because she wasn't here," she said.

Describing her panic, Ellie said: "Where is she, she needs breakfast, what is she doing? Everything's going through my head."

The mum says she feels “hopeless and out of control”, and added: “Everyone asks us what we need and all we need is our little girl home.

"She's beautiful, so sweet, she's everything you'd want in a little girl to grow up."

Police have released pictures of a red and black sleeping bag like the one Cleo used - which is also missing - and her distinctive pink pyjamas.

At the weekend police urged local residents to check their bins in case evidence had been dumped inside.
Police released a picture of a sleeping bag like the one Cleo had.

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She was wearing distinctive pink pyjamasCredit: NSW Police Force

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16480175/cleo-smith-four-clues-snatched-madeleine-mccann/


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CaKeLoveR wrote:She probably takes that as a compliment.  I  couldn't watch more that a couple of minutes of that video. I've seen people more upset when their dinner is late.
Hate to say it, I have you right. I'm no Peter Hyatt, but I'm getting the word........bull****.
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Post by Ganymede 21.10.21 0:28

Thanks @Verdi for that full video. At 1:40 mins in the video when she describes that Cleo went to bed at 8.00pm and he looks at her directly for the first time and his eyes move everywhere and then upwards, mouth shifts... it seems like she never made it to bed and then when ‘Cleo woke up for water’, another animated reaction from him. It’s like he is watching her to see can she actually tell this story, This is quite possibly one of the strangest appeals ever for a tiny child. Her eye movements are down and to the left the whole time, accsessing contrived feelings, maybe. Not to mention the defensive postures and where the hell is the begging, the hope, "WHOEVER HAS MY CHILD, I BEG YOU, BRING HER BACK' they are settled with the situation. Around 8.08 mins, having spent the previous minute describing how she would never go anywhere on her own or leave us, she says’ she was wearing’, and then scratched her face and corrected to ‘when she left she was wearing …. ‘. And the usual at approx 8.25 mins when asked 'do you think someone knows where Cleo is?' she responds 'Someone has to it's been 4 days' whilst she shakes her head in the 'No position'. More questions than ever now.


 It is informative though (and I know the australian press works differently than the british press), that no comment has been made on the status of the mother and partner, yet a comment has been made on the biological father who met with police; he was commented on as not being a suspect. The interview is vey much a done deal in terms of they accept she is gone, why? Always wonder about scent dogs in this kind of situation.

But do forgive me, I could be wrong but I did forget about all the dingoes out there. 
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Post by Ganymede 21.10.21 0:35

The sleeping bag being missing is interesting in that either someone is panicked enough/unsure enough that they carry her out like a sack, but could equally mean that someone cannot look at what they have done and shroud the emotion in a blanket or covering of some sort.
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A dingo can be ruled out, as they can't unzip tents.
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There is NOTHING THERE.  For hundreds of miles.
The nearest habitation is 400 km away
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Post by Vera Krista 21.10.21 11:10

Ganymede wrote:Thanks @Verdi for that full video. At 1:40 mins in the video when she describes that Cleo went to bed at 8.00pm and he looks at her directly for the first time and his eyes move everywhere and then upwards, mouth shifts... it seems like she never made it to bed and then when ‘Cleo woke up for water’, another animated reaction from him. It’s like he is watching her to see can she actually tell this story, This is quite possibly one of the strangest appeals ever for a tiny child. Her eye movements are down and to the left the whole time, accsessing contrived feelings, maybe. Not to mention the defensive postures and where the hell is the begging, the hope, "WHOEVER HAS MY CHILD, I BEG YOU, BRING HER BACK' they are settled with the situation. Around 8.08 mins, having spent the previous minute describing how she would never go anywhere on her own or leave us, she says’ she was wearing’, and then scratched her face and corrected to ‘when she left she was wearing …. ‘. And the usual at approx 8.25 mins when asked 'do you think someone knows where Cleo is?' she responds 'Someone has to it's been 4 days' whilst she shakes her head in the 'No position'. More questions than ever now.


 It is informative though (and I know the australian press works differently than the british press), that no comment has been made on the status of the mother and partner, yet a comment has been made on the biological father who met with police; he was commented on as not being a suspect. The interview is vey much a done deal in terms of they accept she is gone, why? Always wonder about scent dogs in this kind of situation.

But do forgive me, I could be wrong but I did forget about all the dingoes out there. 

Dingos can't zip & unzip a tent.  Aussie press is working differently than Brit press, I am not sure, they didn't ask the right questions to William Tyrell's adopted parents. 

He's another kid gone missing under strange circumstances.
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Post by Verdi 21.10.21 16:36

Read our Cleo Smith live blog below for the latest updates..

Today, 15:00

Former Madeleine McCann cop fears Cleo was snatched

FOUR clues could hold the key to finding missing Cleo Smith – as a former Met detective says she may have been snatched like Madeleine McCann.

Cops are searching for the fifth day after the four-year-old vanished from her family’s tent on a remote campsite in Western Australia.

Cleo’s distraught mum Ellie told how she frantically drove around looking for her when she realised she was gone at 6am.

Officers have urged locals to check their bins for evidence as no trace has yet been found by a forensics team that flew up from Perth, 500 miles away.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16488702/cleo-smith-missing-update-australia-found-wa-latest-news/
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Madeleine McCann was not snatched, she was not abducted, she was not kidnapped !!!

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Post by Verdi 22.10.21 1:33

And the beat goes on..

'Aussie Madeleine McCann' police admit they're looking for body as girl, 4, feared dead

The ongoing search for four-year-old Australian girl Cleo Smith has taken a tragic turn with police expecting to find only her remains after she vanished on Saturday, October 16

ByCharles Wade-PalmerReporter

21:23, 21 OCT 2021Updated21:34, 21 OCT 2021

Police admit they are now searching for the body of 'kidnapped' Cleo Smith in a case likened to Madeleine McCann's.

The four-year-old was reported missing from her family's tent in Western Australia on Saturday morning, prompting a huge scale hunt.

An investigation into her disappearance is now looking at the worst-case scenario, following a likely police theory that Cleo "was taken" as her parents slept.

On Thursday, deputy police commissioner Col Blanch conceded that officers are searching for the young girl's remains.

Had Cleo wandered off on her own accord, police say she would have already been found by now, The Sun reports.

Col Blanch said: "Cleo disappeared from her family's tent, despite an extensive land, sea and air search, we have not yet located her body.

"That leads us to believe she was taken."

What the deputy refused to comment on however was the likelihood of Cleo being "buried in the area".

Detective Superintendent Rod Wilde said police "hold great fears for her safety".

West Australian Premier Mark McGowan said the authorities are working "around the clock" and announced a $1m reward to her find her.

The "extensive land, sea and air search" team is made up of more than 100 police officers, soldiers, volunteers and Aboriginal bush trackers.

Cleo was last seen by her parents at 1.30am on Saturday morning when mum Ellie Smith spoke to her but when she woke up again at 6am, Cleo had vanished.

Ellie posted a plea for help on social media after a day without her daughter.

Ms Smith wrote: "It’s been over 24 hours since I last seen the sparkle in my little girl’s eyes! Please help me find her."

The toddler was wearing pink pyjamas and sleeping in a black and red sleeping bag, which was also nowhere to be found when Ellie woke up

Lead Inspector John Munday said he had "grave fears" for the poor little girl's wellbeing, but would continue the massive search till Cleo is reunited with her parents.

Munday told reporters on Monday: "Every hour that goes by with a four-year-old out in this environment, there’s obviously limited water supply, it is warm, very limited shelter. It is very, very concerning.

"That’s why we do hold grave fears for Cleo at this time.

"We are continuing to throw everything we have at this and we will continue until we can provide some answers as to what has happened to Cleo."

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Post by Jill Havern 22.10.21 5:24

Why are they now looking for the 'body' of the Aussie Madeleine McCann after only six days....

...when the police are still looking for an 'alive' Brit Madeleine McCann after 14 years?

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Why are all missing children dubbed (*enter country here*) Madeleine McCann?

Why isn't Chloe dubbed the 'Aussie Azaria Chamberlain'?

If I was Madeleine's mother I would be suing every newspaper who used my child's name in this sensationalist manner. If I was the mother of the missing child in question I would be suing every newspaper for tarring my child with the name of another 'missing' child.

All missing children are missing - and should be respected - in their own name, not Madeleine's!

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Besides, Madeleine's name was Madeleine Beth McCann, not Madeleine Clickbait McCann.

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Also, why do the police instantly rule out the people who the missing child was with at the time - usually the parents?
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Jill Havern wrote:Why are they now looking for the 'body' of the Aussie Madeleine McCann after only six days....

...when the police are still looking for an 'alive' Brit Madeleine McCann after 14 years?

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Why are all missing children dubbed (*enter country here*) Madeleine McCann?

Why isn't Chloe dubbed the 'Aussie Azaria Chamberlain'?

If I was Madeleine's mother I would be suing every newspaper who used my child's name in this sensationalist manner. If I was the mother of the missing child in question I would be suing every newspaper for tarring my child with the name of another 'missing' child.

All missing children are missing - and should be respected - in their own name, not Madeleine's!

shutup

Besides, Madeleine's name was Madeleine Beth McCann, not Madeleine Clickbait McCann.
Your first question - I was thinking exactly the same. The same general assumptions apply in regard to the likelihood of finding her alive after 6 days. Maybe the Aussies are less circumspect and politically correct with their press releases.
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CaKeLoveR wrote:Also, why do the police instantly rule out the people who the missing child was with at the time - usually the parents?
I don't think they do, quite the opposite in fact.
The rule of thumb is that those nearest to the child are usually 'involved', so they generally start there.
I don't know what they have or haven't done in this case, but I'm sure they're looking at the fractured family dynamic in the first instance, whilst conducing the thorough physical search from inside out.
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Detectives have said it is unlikely that Cleo would walk away herself with the sleeping bag (Image: instagram.com/elliejaydee23)

Cleo Smith missing: Fears girl, 4, taken like Madeleine McCann and snatched from tent

ByTim Hanlon

   11:33, 22 Oct 2021Updated11:36, 22 Oct 2021

Fears are growing that Cleo Smith is likely to have been snatched from her tent in a similar way that Madeleine McCann was taken.

Detectives in Western Australia have said that if the four-year-old had left her tent by herself then she would have probably been found by now, having disappeared last Saturday.

And Dr Graham Hill, a former Scotland Yard detective who has worked on the Madeleine McCann investigation, has agreed she was probably taken.

British three-year-old Madeleine disappeared from a ground floor apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007 during a family holiday.

While it is still a mystery how she went missing - it is a widely held belief she was abducted.

He said that a young child disappears if they wander off or if they are taken and the latter is more likely.

He told The West Australian : “Bearing in mind she’s only a small little girl, she’s not going to get that far. Little girls and boys get tired really quick and in the middle of the night they are half asleep anyway.

“The real complication, from what I can see, is the fact that her sleeping bag’s gone missing. I would say it’s a remote chance that she’s got up wandered off and taken her sleeping bag with her."

The toddler disappeared a week ago from a remote campsite north of Perth, in Western Australia.

But despite a massive search for Cleo, she has not been found leaving police believing she was “taken”.

Dep police commissioner Col Blanch said: “Cleo disappeared from her family’s tent, despite an extensive, land, sea and air search, we have not yet located her body.”

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He refused to speculate on what could have happened to the four-year-old including the question on whether she may have been buried in the area.

Detective Superintendent Rod Wilde said police "hold great fears for her safety".

So far local Aboriginal bush trackers have been involved in trying to help find the little girl and police have also said they have questioned all locally registered sex offenders.

A huge £540,000 reward, the equivalent to a million Australian dollars, has been put up by West Australian Premier Mark McGowan for information.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cleo-smith-missing-fears-girl-25275074
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Dr Graham Hill has said it is more likely that Cleo has been taken like with the Madeleine McCann case

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Post by Verdi 22.10.21 13:24

I don't doubt when the name Dr Graham Hill (former employee of CEOP) is repeatedly seen, people will be curious to know who he is when specifically named as an authority on missing children, in this particular case - Madeleine McCann.  

Dr Graham Hill was seconded to Portugal by the CEOP early May 2007, ostensibly to 'assist' the Portuguese police with their investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

A quick google search..

Dr Graham Hill - Criminologist

SERVICES

Strategic and operational consultancy to national and international agencies and organisations in relation to the investigation of child sexual abuse and non-familial child abduction/murder.

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If he's touting for business, which I strongly suspect, this is not going in his favour.  To repeatedly claim a three year old child was snatched/abducted/kidnapped, flying in the face of the evidence documented by the Portuguese investigation, a credible criminologist does not make!

I find the CEOP and other such organisations said to be working for the protection of children, very very worrying.  The case of Madeleine McCann for example, professionals working in the field of child protection shouldn't be rubbing shoulders with the client, in this case the prime suspects.

The word gatekeeper springs to mind.

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Post by Guest 22.10.21 14:41

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CaKeLoveR wrote:Also, why do the police instantly rule out the people who the missing child was with at the time - usually the parents?
I don't think they do, quite the opposite in fact.
The rule of thumb is that those nearest to the child are usually 'involved', so they generally start there.
I don't know what they have or haven't done in this case, but I'm sure they're looking at the fractured family dynamic in the first instance, whilst conducing the thorough physical search from inside out.
I hope so. Poor little girl.
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Post by Jill Havern 23.10.21 7:42


  • 38 MINUTES AGO

    Cleo abducter ‘may have stalked family’ (continued…)



    Maddy McCann top cop Jim Gamble says a “pivotal point” of the case was the fact her sleeping bag was missing from the campsite.
    He explained you would expect the bag to be left in the tent if little Cleo had wandered off alone.
    “On a campsite you can hear a pin drop in the middle of the night,” Mr Gamble told The Sun Online.
    “If you drag out a child – even if they have their sleeping bag over their head – the child will begin to scream.
    “To get the child out of the tent without drawing any attention is a really difficult thing to do.”
    He explained: “If it is someone they know – and potentially trust – a child would be much more compliant.
    “If a child is shocked out of their sleep by movement by someone they don’t know they are much more likely to cry out – no question.”

  • TODAY, 06:30

    Cleo abducter ‘may have stalked family for days’



    MADELEINE McCann top cop Jim Gamble has said missing Cleo Smith likely would have known her abductor who may be someone who was following the family ahead of their trip.
    Mr Gamble – who was the senior child protection officer in the UK investigation into the Maddie case – explained the chance of the girl being taken away silently by a total stranger in the middle of the night was low.
    The police were called around three hours after she was found to be missing as the family had hoped the girl was just hiding nearby – searching the area with other campers.
    Mr Gamble told The Sun Online he fears this delay could make things difficult for cops as key evidence such as footprints or tire tracks may have been accidentally destroyed or lost during the initial search.
    And he explained the police will be being looking “backwards and forwards” to piece together what happened before the disappearance that may lead them to the potential abductor.
    He suggested that if Cleo has been taken – it is unlikely it was by somebody who she hadn’t met her before.

  • https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/7879165/cleo-smith-missing-update-police-admission-latest-news/


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Post by PeterMac 23.10.21 7:56

Who is the man at the scene "known to the child" ?

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Post by crusader 23.10.21 8:46

I hope they find her alive and well.
Calling her the Aussie Madeleine McCann and showing photo's of Christian Brueckner is outrageous.
What has "top cop" Jim Gamble and Graham Hill got to do with anything, apart from being involved in the disappearance of Madeleine, it's not as if they solved the mystery.
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Post by Guest 23.10.21 9:03

They like to leap in where children are involved, don't they? Gamble's advert, no, sorry, I meant investigation, of child brothels tells us quite a lot, imo.
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Post by Ganymede 23.10.21 11:07




Dingos can't zip & unzip a tent.  Aussie press is working differently than Brit press, I am not sure, they didn't ask the right questions to William Tyrell's adopted parents. 

He's another kid gone missing under strange circumstances.
That was sarcasm about dingoes
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Post by Silentscope 23.10.21 11:08

A twist in the search for four-year-old Cleo Smith, who police fear may have been abducted while camping in remote Western Australia, has led forensic police to shift their attention to her family home. 


WA investigators, who are now exploring whether she was stalked in the days before she disappeared, have forensically examined the family home for signs of a stalker.


The police forensic team spent hours dusting for fingerprints along the front fence of the family’s Carnarvon residence and taking photographs in the backyard.


Source: https://www.watoday.com.au/national/police-forensics-search-cleo-smith-s-family-home-for-signs-of-a-stalker-20211023-p592ji.html
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