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Post by Silentscope on 19.07.20 18:25

Forget Tannerman. The body being carried away if ‘Smithman’ was responsible doesn’t HAVE to necessarily be more than 4 hours old.

Just old enough so that between 20:35 and 22:00 it left enough Cadaverine to be detected later by the EVRD Dog.

That after all accounts only needed to be an hour plus.

The TAPAS CREW check times are not believable according to PJ.
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Post by Verdi on 19.07.20 21:36

Who said anything about a body being 4 hours old?

Pease pudding hot pease pudding cold pease pudding in the pot nine days old

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Post by Silentscope on 20.07.20 11:04

Nobody, not even me. Unless someone else knows the time of death?

Do tell!
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Post by Verdi on 20.07.20 13:12

@sharonl wrote:If you look at Smithman in detail, he is almost a clone of Tannerman.  Now, either Smith did see this man, who according to Andy Redwood, turned up six years later with the clothes that he and his child were wearing as he carried her from the creche (even if he was going in the wrong direction) or he didn't.   Maybe it was a coincidence and he saw someone else, but as it was in bad lighting and some time had passed before he made a statement, how could he be sure of a stranger he passed briefly in the dark?

Well all know by now that there was no evidence of abduction and Tannerman was probably a red herring.  If Madeleine had died earlier in the week, giving the McCanns 4 days to forensically clean the apartment and dispose of all the evidence, why would Gerry be running around the area with a 4 day old corpse just minutes before Kate sounds the alarm.  Its just a crazy idea, another red herring to stop us looking back at those earlier days.
The Smith family claim to have seen a stranger carrying a child through the streets of Luz at approximately 22:00h on the night of 3rd May 2007, the timing I believe was ratified by Kelly's Bar till records.

22:00h is not late, particularly in a popular tourist resort, even at the end of April beginning of May.  Holidaymakers and no doubt residents alike, would be strolling around at that time of night.  Who in their right mind - even in a state of panic (unless on route to the nearest health centre Wink even then I doubt you would walk ) would carry a corpse to who knows where?  The corpse of their own child!

Tony Bennett has worked extensively on the subject of the Smith family and their alleged sighting.  No one is asked to agree with every aspect of his work, nor even see the potential importance, but if you take the time to read and absorb his analysis, you will agree there is compelling evidence to doubt the Smith family sighting.

Martin Smith's timing and account of events was dubious in May 2007 but when he declared the stranger to be Gerry McCann, having seen video footage on television of the Mccann family's return to the UK - four months later (because of the way he carried his child).  I fear Martin Smith's credibility was blown straight out of the water.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t16810-the-tale-of-smithman-and-tannerman#415909

We don't want this turning into another Smithman thread..

Comments here:  https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t15532-the-theory-that-smithman-gerry-mccann-carefully-explained#390995

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Post by Lance De Boils on 20.07.20 20:28

My stance on which the McCanns case is based and I can't share, but only with specialist interest. It's barely 
as my knowledge that I am - (may be and ) not bizarre. 
I will help whenever I can. There's so much to look through. 
Any thoughts anyone?
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Post by Lance De Boils on 20.07.20 20:34

Tell, you what? If nobody's interested I'll blog away. No probs. 

Any interested parties - hope I hear from you. But I seem to being against the forums. 

I hope not the case, just a strong feeling.
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Post by Flossy on 20.07.20 22:46

The Smithman siting is exactly why I believe it was important to establish what everyone was wearing on the 3rd May. Regardless of what you believe, even if it is that MM died earlier in in the week, it is the one known fact that something unusual happened that night. Every small detail becomes important including what they ate, what they wore etc
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Post by Verdi on 21.07.20 1:04

As I said, we don't want this turning into another smithman thread but as your comment is more general Flossy, I'd like to ask - what is the one known fact that something unusual happened that night?

I'm only aware of the McCanns version of events, ratified by their group of friends. What was the unusual happening - have I missed or forgotten something?


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Post by Flossy on 21.07.20 5:57

@Verdi wrote:As I said, we don't want this turning into another smithman thread but as your comment is more general Flossy, I'd like to ask - what is the one known fact that something unusual happened that night?

I'm only aware of the McCanns version of events, ratified by their group of friends.  What was the unusual happening - have I missed or forgotten something?

Sorry if I have been not been clear. Whichever version of events you use, the 3rd of May is still a key date. 
For example, if you believed MM was abducted on the 3rd May.... The abduction is the main unusual thing 
If you believe MM died earlier on in the time line and this was then covered up... You still have the 3rd of May as the day that MM disappearance was revealed. Whichever way you look at it, May 3rd was significant. Obviously depending on what your view is (particularly if you think the time line of events isn't correct) then the 3rd May may be more or less significant. I understand researching the time line of the holiday but I do believe that if the 3rd May was investigated again, with hopefully updated forensics, it could lead to the information needed to solve this case, just by the fact that at least something unusual happened then.
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Post by Lance De Boils on 21.07.20 8:34

I see where you're coming from now, Flossy. SOMETHING happened on the night of 3rd/4th May. That's when the main drama was played out. That we got to know of openly.
It's all a matter of who to trust. Back even to arrival in Portugal. 
I make a suggestion  - purport an idea - I'll keep the more bizarre at bay for now.
If you had a very dark secret and a network of friends, family, colleaugues, hotel staff etc ... and you need support to carry out your plans.... how do you know who you can definitely trust with your knowledge? 
2 ways? 
1) You hold something even bigger than them. You go down, so must they. You've helped then and so they are indebted. They can't take the chance.
2) You have to know WHO can be trusted totally. How? Plant a few seeds. Water. And watch what happens. They germinate into false but credible info. Bait taken.
The trustworthy soon out themselves. Blatantly. Trustworthiness destroyed. 

So who were red herrings? Planted? Bait? Proved trustworthy? Or otherwise.
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Post by Lance De Boils on 21.07.20 8:36

Admin - here or in unorthodox?
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Post by Milo on 22.07.20 6:15

I go for unorthodox - heterodox! Otherwise comments from people like Lance get lost. 


As long as the unorthodox category doesn't include comments that, while they are unorthodox, are ideas out of the blue that fly in the face of evidence such as in police reports (dogs) or from high-level analysis (e.g. Peter Mac et al). 

I remain mystified by Lance's invitation to "special interest" discussions but whatever that means count me in.
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Post by Lance De Boils on 22.07.20 12:08

@Lance De Boils wrote:My stance on which the McCanns case is based and I can't share, but only with specialist interest. It's barely 
as my knowledge that I am - (may be and ) not bizarre. 
I will help whenever I can. There's so much to look through. 
Any thoughts anyone?
I have no inside knowledge, (well barely any,) because the press have covered much. But then missed loads out too. Anyway, no harm in covering some aspects again. That's what I think anyway.
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Post by Lance De Boils on 22.07.20 12:11

It'd be better if I made sense in my posts. Sorry! 😁
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Post by Verdi on 22.07.20 12:30

@Milo wrote:I go for unorthodox - heterodox! Otherwise comments from people like Lance get lost. 


As long as the unorthodox category doesn't include comments that, while they are unorthodox, are ideas out of the blue that fly in the face of evidence such as in police reports (dogs) or from high-level analysis (e.g. Peter Mac et al). 

I remain mystified by Lance's invitation to "special interest" discussions but whatever that means count me in.

Forum member Lance de Boils has been given the opportunity to start his own thread in the debate section. A concession not normally encouraged here on CMOMM.

It remains his choice whether or not to take-up the offer.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 22.07.20 12:47

Thank you Verdi. Yes, I will do that - probably when I'm back at home tonight. I thought it'd be preferable to tag comments on previous posts.  But I was wrong. I'll get round to it soon.
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