OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

marconi wrote:

admin wrote:

marconi wrote:at  what time will the hearing start today?

Truth hurty

??????????????????????????????, what do youu mean?

It's a bit like when you go to the dentist at tooth hurty.

jeanmonroe wrote:Am i dreaming?

So the ELITE Cops have 'got' this tremendous NEW 'THEORY' about Madeleine BUT they are not going to TELL me or anyone else for another 10 f**king DAYS!!

So that's another 10 DAYS at least Madeleine will have to spend in her LAIR!


Poor kid.

indeed

I believe the case will be solved this week, at least a confession of the culprit.  I even believe in arrests.
The McCanns are under a huge pressure, they will crack, imo.
Maybe we will not hear about it,, immediately after action is taken, but something will definitely happen.
Gerry was looking too destroyed last Wednesday and I suspected his luggage.
Imo something is going on in Algarve. Quizzing, quizzing, quizzing.
The police want answers, imo.
Will the reconstruction be done this week-end or is it al done?  Because it has to be broadcast on the 14th.
To film, montage, to prepare the program..., it will take time.
Is Gerry coming today to the hearing?

All in my opinion.

admin wrote:

marconi wrote:at  what time will the hearing start today?

Truth hurty

 Nice one.

Truth Hurty - Love it.    

@Marconi, yes you did post about the trolley bag and I think you might be right about it.

plebgate wrote:Truth Hurty   -   Love it.    

@Marconi, yes you did post about the trolley bag and I think you might be right  about it.

It could also have been a document bag, the sort that lawyers and barristers cart behind them full of volumes of truth/lies.

Thanks Nina, yes it might well have been - it might also have been his memory notes in case he managed to get in the box.  

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National PJ Director Almeida Rodrigues and Attorney General Joana Marques Vidal comment on the Maddie Case
5 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment

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Sic Notícias, October 4, 2013
For about about a month and a half the Judiciary Police of Faro is carrying out the requests asked in the rogatory letter sent by the British authorities in the scope of the Maddie case. Although elements of the English police have already attended meetings in the Algarve, their presence in the investigations on the field is something that, at least for the time being, is out of question.

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Voice over journalist - [VOJ] - Six officers from the Judiciary Police have been, since August, entrusted to fulfill the requests of the rogatory letter sent by the English authorities to the Attorney General's Office. Almeida Rodrigues, the Judiciary Police National Director, did not give more details but confirmed the creation of the team.

Lower Third [LT] - PJ has been since August carrying out the requests asked in the rogatory letter sent by the British authorities.

José Maria de Almeida Rodrigues - Judiciary Police National Director [AR] - We designated a team that will carry out the requests made by the English authorities. Regarding the timing and as to the proceedings themselves, as you can understand, I will not make a comment.

LT - Team of six inspectors from PJ in Faro appointed to fulfill rogatory letter

VOJ - SIC knows that the proceedings now requested by the English involve exclusively Portuguese citizens, however in the rogatory letter there isn't any request for an interrogatory. Even though 3 to 4 elements of the Metropolitan Police have already attended meetings in Faro, one of those meetings was with the responsible of the PJ directorship of the southern area of Portugal, the English officers presence in the investigations on the field of  is something that, at least for the time being, is out of question. Nevertheless, in the spirit of good cooperation between the two police forces it is possible that in a near future, in one-off situations, English officers are allowed to be present in one or another action of the Judiciary Police (PJ). In a few weeks time, elements of the two countries authorities will meet again to discuss the items in the rogatory letter and the steps carried out till then. Besides the Judiciary Police inspectors from Faro that have exclusively in their hands the fulfillment of the rogatory letter another team of PJ inspectors from Porto continues to analyze the whole process in order to detect any eventual mistakes and verify if there is any lead worth following that could justify reopening the process.

LT - Proceedings requested in the rogatory letter do not include interrogatories. Elements of the Metropolitan Police were in meetings with PJ in Faro. Even though there were meetings between the two police forces, Judiciary Police has been working alone. In one-off situations, in the future, English Police may attend to some proceedings. PJ of Faro complies exclusively with what is requested in the rogatory letter. Review continues to be done by PJ inspectors from Porto.

AR - That team reviewing the process continues to work and are doing their best, as you know, cases of child disappearances for us they are never truly closed.

LT - Faro and Porto teams in close cooperation.

Joana Marques Vidal - Attorney General [JMV] - The process that existed in Portugal has a final dispatch, that can only be and should only be reopened in agreement to what is stated in the Law - new facts, etc - it's not reopened at the moment. Meanwhile, the English have a process ongoing in England since they consider that there were proceedings within their remit, a process of criminal investigation according to the English law, in the scope of which they requested the Portuguese state or the police and judicial Portuguese authorities some proceedings to be carried out for the process that is in England.

LT - So far, proceedings in the scope of the rogatory letter did not need the intervention of a judge.

VOJ - At the same time in England about four dozen Metropolitan Police officers are also reviewing Madeleine's disappearance. In a press statement, published this Friday, they also refer the existence of 41 persons of interest that need to be listened, of which 15 are British. The United Kingdom, has sent 31 rogatory letters requesting for proceeding to be carried out in several countries, including Portugal. The investigation is focused on phone calls made in Praia da Luz at the time of Maddie's disappearance. The case should regain high media exposure on the 14th of October, when the Metropolitan Police and the McCann couple will together make a public appeal in the BBC, extendable to Germany, Netherlands and Ireland so whomever has some information about the case comes forward. Six years ago, Madeleine disappeared during the holidays in Praia da Luz.

The bag could also have had his laptop in, seeing as it was reported that after his request to speak was denied he was seen outside the courtroom tapping away on his laptop

@marconi just in case the joke didn't translate too well for you being as English is not your first language, I assume proceedings will begin at 2.30pm

Thanks Graceful, we posted at the same time, I have deleted my thread on Joana's post.
 

So the National PJ director states:
 
Although elements of the English police have already attended meetings in the Algarve, their presence in the investigations on the field is something that, at least for the time being, is out of question.

Hmmm.

candyfloss wrote:Thanks Graceful, we posted at the same time, I have deleted my thread on Joana's post.
 

So the National PJ director states:
 
Although elements of the English police have already attended meetings in the Algarve, their presence in the investigations on the field is something that, at least for the time being, is out of question.

Hmmm.

So can one deduce that the so-called leads discovered by Scotland Yard are inconsequential? Surely not? If they have no permission to investigate on Portugese soil, even now, then this all sounds like a load of piffle. No change there then.

susible wrote:The bag could also have had his laptop in, seeing as it was reported that after his request to speak was denied he was seen outside the courtroom tapping away on his laptop

@marconi just in case the joke didn't translate too well for you being as English is not your first language, I assume proceedings will begin at 2.30pm

The next hearing is on Tuesday the 8th, there are no court sessions on Saturdays.

Montclair wrote:

susible wrote:The bag could also have had his laptop in, seeing as it was reported that after his request to speak was denied he was seen outside the courtroom tapping away on his laptop

@marconi just in case the joke didn't translate too well for you being as English is not your first language, I assume proceedings will begin at 2.30pm

The next hearing is on Tuesday the 8th, there are no court sessions on Saturdays.

Sorry, I thought I read on here that there was a session scheduled for the 5th, which I thought was unusual.  I think it was in the Libel trial Forum

Yes, I did see it, Candyfloss posted this on Thursday.

Just putting this up for info on the next dates (thanks to Anne Guedes and RussianDoll...............


TRIAL INFORMATION from Anne Guedes: 

October 2nd 
Henrique Machado (journalist of Correio da Manhã)
Eduardo Dâmaso (political analyst) 
Mrs Cameron 
(Mrs Healy probably won't be heard now) 

October 5th 
Paulo Sargento 
Moita Flores 
(Two persons related to Guerra&Paz) 

October 8 
Inspectors Tavares de Almeida and Ricardo Paiva
Luis Nunes, the head of the Central unit against organized crime 
Manuel Catarino, editorialist in the CdM (who seems specialised in juridical issues) 
Journalist and writer Hernani Carvalho (who is doing a PhD on criminology)

Edit to add link to thread https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7741p30-mccann-v-amaral-libel-trial-updates-only-no-discussion

Okay dokey...where does one begin..........

My little baby has never had so much breastmilk fed to her than in the last 24 hours since I have been glued to my hand held smart phone with her, reading a few threads with a mixture of amazement and horror........

Right-o.... I cannot believe for a minute that a whitewash could possibly take place - not now, not after all this information has been and continues to be in the public domain?!? It surely cannot...cannot..cannot.... !!  Public perception is slowly but surely, due to the access of said information, turning AGAINST them!! How could they turn around now?!?! Does not make sense for this to be the outcome. I am well aware of cover ups being in existence and do entertain the possibility of false flags, faked reporting to sway public perception, etc...However  I do firmly believe that the McCants are being set up. I believe they are being pulled into a false sense of security, palsy-walsy in a 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer' sort of way by SY. They obviously cannot come out and say, 'yes we are going to check your phones..woo hooo..whatcha gonna dooo'.  Of course they have to intimate that they will check everyone's pings etc. so the McCants must be $hh.. hitting themselves.  I reckon, as previous posters have stated, that they 'need' to get them on a live set so there is no pre-rehearsal, try to catch them out, watch body language, study their forensic linguistics etc and basically try to catch them out with questions re. positions/timings versus (their) theory.  It would be mighty foolish of SY, especially with their reputation at stake and the vast numbers of people interested in this case, for them to quite so obviously 'whitewash' the case...uhh... naah, no way, I can't buy into that theory.  They HAVE to be 'onto' them. Have to.  

Therefore my vote would be that I have faith in the SY team to sort this mess out once and for all.

Upsy!

The BBC had better get their FACTS right in Crimwatch!

Can they really afford have another DISASTER following on from their Newsnight Savile cock up, and illegal payoffs to executives FIASCOS?

If they portray ANYTHING as not FACTUALLY CORRECT the sh*t will really hit the fan, imo.

No placing 'witnesses, in places they weren't.

Unlike the ONLY 'professional PI' Edgar who said 'it dosen't matter where KEY witnesses were actually placed'

The same Edgar that SY seem to be deeply in cohorts with!

jeanmonroe....this is what I can't understand...how could they possibly not adhere to what is in their statements and official files and make a total fixed cockup of the reconstruction!? If they do, then hundreds upon hundreds, if not thousands of people will be onto it and up in arms, they won't get away with that!?!? Surely NOT!

jeanmonroe wrote:The BBC had better get their FACTS right in Crimwatch!

Can they really afford have another DISASTER following on from their Newsnight Savile cock up, and illegal payoffs to executives FIASCOS?

If they portray ANYTHING as not FACTUALLY CORRECT the sh*t will really hit the fan, imo.

No placing 'witnesses, in places they weren't.

Unlike Edgar who said 'it dosen't matter where KEY witnesses were actually placed'

The same Edgar that SY seem to be in cohorts with!

I don't think that SY are in cohorts with Edgar, I think that they have probably very carefully looked at what he has investigated and how he arrived at his conclusions and will probably determine that he was simply a puppet to his paymasters...Don't forget the classic "bit of a Victoria Beckham lookalike" fiasco, where it was discovered that he hadn't actually spoken to anyone at the marina or in the bar 

As an aside, I think the whole Victoria Beckham stuff was A) using a "celeb" name to draw attention to the case from the public and B) a thinly veiled attempt to try and get the Beckhams back in their corner (and maybe a donation) after David Beckham initially helped their publicity campaign (notably though the Beckhams dropped them very quickly as the details started to emerge about the children being left alone, because despite their, often cringe-worthy, ostentatious displays of wealth, they do seem to be very attentive parents)

Upsy Daisy wrote:jeanmonroe....this is what I can't understand...how could they possibly not adhere to what is in their statements and official files and make a total fixed cockup of the reconstruction!? If they do, then hundreds upon hundreds, if not thousands of people will be onto it and up in arms, they won't get away with that!?!? Surely NOT!

I agree Upsy, there's just too much information in the public domain that can be used to dispute any new discrepancies.  Can you imagine the flood of FOI requests should the Beeb suddenly present a whole new scenario, that varies from the official case files.

No, I still have faith in the SY investigation, and I do think that they are playing a long game of covering every eventuality until there can be only one conclusion.

Garrincha wrote:This seems significant:

 
Joana Marques Vidal: Meanwhile, the English have a process ongoing in England since they consider that there were proceedings within their remit, a process of criminal investigation according to the English law, in the scope of which they requested the Portuguese state or the police and judicial Portuguese authorities some proceedings to be carried out for the process that is in England.

Would the English law / UK law bit possibly be related to GA's observation that he mentions in his book that unsettles some of the British police when he says how things might lead to a fraud investigation in the UK...?


@ jeanmonroe - toally agree the Beeb can ill-afford to make another cock-up. Likewise the Met .... they really need a result. I have to believe that they cannot be as ludicrously off-course as the leakings, stupid press articles and snippets suggest. I certainly hope so.

susible wrote:[ [...]

No, I still have faith in the SY investigation, and I do think that they are playing a long game of covering every eventuality until there can be only one conclusion.

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I'm with you. If they can afford to take their time to find out what happened, the way they've doing it so far, it can only mean one thing. Otherwise, they would have followed a different route to try and find her a.s.a.p.

This is the bit I was thinking of....


"During a more relaxed moment at one of these meetings, I come out with an ill-judged comment. Inopportune or undiplomatic, but this is my reasoning: thinking about the kinds of crime that may have been committed if the McCanns were involved in their daughter's disappearance, something occurs to me. If they were involved in one way or another, then a crime of fraud or abuse of trust is a possibility concerning the fund that was set up to finance the search for Madeleine. Donations have reached nearly 3 million Euros.

If such a crime exists, Portugal would not have jurisdiction to investigate and try it. The fund being legally registered in England, it would be our English colleagues who would deal with the case. Our English colleagues then realise a hard reality: the strong possibility that they would have a crime to investigate in their own country, with the McCann couple as the main suspects: a prospect that does not seem to appeal to them. I notice a sudden pallor in the faces of those British people present. "

who can answer me?

how often is there a Crimewatch on the BBC uk?

is the one of the 14th October an extra one, special for the Maddie case?

all in my opinion.

Somone on twitter sent Jerry Lawton a link to Joana's post re the Director of PJ statement, which differs from what we are being told here in UK, and this is the reply from Jerry Lawton.....



Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 6m
@DaSteelMan SY officers making reg trips - they hope soon to have small team there permanently working alongside new Portuguese team