OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Nina wrote:

tasprin wrote:

aquila wrote:

sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916

"Nice" pic of ID on there.

Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?

'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:

Doowadiddy and her famous umbrella, again.

How can 2 'gentlemen' allow a 'lady' to hold an umbrella over their heads whilst her head is getting wet?

She's the hired hand Nina, her expertise is bought and imo GM will drop her like a stone the moment things aren't going his way. I've yet to see any evidence of Gerald McCann behaving like a gentleman. You only have to see the video footage of him on the bus on his way to OC to see that he swore freely in front of children.

aquila wrote:

sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916

"Nice" pic of ID on there.

Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?

'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:

ID and her famous umbrella...heading towards a storm ahead!

Good grief, anyone not knowing she's their lawyer would think she's a helper the way she attended to Gerry.: 

Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

Please is there any idea how this development is being reported in Portugal?

Nina wrote:

tasprin wrote:

aquila wrote:

sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916

"Nice" pic of ID on there.

Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?

'when shall we three meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain' springs to mind:laughat:

Doowadiddy and her famous umbrella, again.

How can 2 'gentlemen' allow a 'lady' to hold an umbrella over their heads whilst her head is getting wet?

Rather it should be how stupid ID was to bootlick to that extent?
What's the whole point of carrying an umbrella just for that eventuality, when you are only going to use it on two guys who didn't give a flying fig or even noticed her action..
They probably find her hilarious.
She's to be blame as much as them.

ShuBob wrote:Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

There you go! Time to pack up and go home.

Woofer wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it.  Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.

Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May.  I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn.  There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.

Well it's all been filmed - so when was it done?  The MSM must have known about this...........and the news comes out today.

Sunset in Faro on May 3rd was at 20.23.
The nearest corresponding sunset is 15th August.

So perhaps the reconstruction was done then.

The STREET LIGHTS have been changed in PDL since 2007

NOT Orange, more WHITE..............and BRIGHTER.

ShuBob wrote:Please is there any idea how this development is being reported in Portugal?

As the above, they reported on SY new theory that she was snatched by paedophile ring.

aiyoyo wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

There you go!  Time to pack up and go home.

Not yet. The Gaspars' statements have to be ruled out first.

sallypelt wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Portia wrote:

Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it.  Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.

Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May.  I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn.  There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.

October 3rd?

No.

9th August.

3rd May was 49 days before the day when the sun is at its highest in the northern hemisphere: 21 June.

49 days after that is 9th August.

But could it be done at a different time, but done at a time when the lighting would have been exactly the same. For example, half hour later so the lighting would correspond with the lighting of the 3 May? Just a thought!

Compliments! Yes of course. 

But any reconstruction would be hindered by the simple fact that, after the kid went missing, the street lighting in situ was replaced and changed from very low to very bright.

aiyoyo wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

There you go!  Time to pack up and go home.

What evidence of paedo ring before and after Madeleine disappeared?  And if there is indeed a paedo ring operating in PDL, why are the PJ refusing to re-open the case?

ShuBob wrote:Please is there any idea how this development is being reported in Portugal?

Hi ShuBob,

According to this Daily Mail article this story eminates from Correio da Manha.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443057/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-trawls-phone-records-ALL-tourists-staying-Maddie-resort.html

I hope someone will ask directly what SY's opinion is on the veracity of Eddie and Keela's evidence, what with their 200+ cases and 100% success rate. What is the reason to extraordinarily ignore their remarkable findings in this instance.

ShuBob wrote:Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

Full article:


PORTUGUESE cops working on behalf of the Metropolitan Police in the UK are focusing on the theory Madeleine McCann was snatched by an Algarve-based paedophile ring, it was claimed on Friday.

A team of six Portuguese detectives are taking statements, searching police records and making other inquiries following a British police request for help, Met Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley revealed on Thursday

Local reports said they were working on the premise Madeleine, who was three-years-old when she vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, may have been a victim of paedophile rings operating in the area.

Respected Portuguse daily Correio da Manha, quoting unnamed sources, said: "The work of the Policia Judiciaria inspectors is based on a line of investigation which points to paedophile rings operating in the Algarve."

The reports came as Met police raised hopes of a breakthrough in the case by revealing they had identified three new potential suspects after trawling through the phone data of holidaymakers from 31 countries who were in the Praia da Luz area when Madeleine disappeared.

The Met, which announced a £5million review of the case codenamed Operation Grange during the summer, is now examining 41 "people of interest" including 15 from the UK and said new evidence had been uncovered.

It also emerged on Thursday that Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate will make a new appeal for information in the light of the "fresh, substantive material unearthed".

Investigators are expected to reveal a new theory that they say will give a "different understanding" about the case.

The programme, which will be screened on October 14, will feature a reconstruction of events the night of May 3, 2007, when Madeleine disappeared.

Equivalent programmes in Germany and the Netherlands, where most other tourists in Praia da Luz come from, will broadcast the material.

Kate McCann wrote of her fear her daughter was kidnapped by a paedophile in her May 2011 book on Madeleine's disappearance and the search for her.

She accused Portuguese police of covering up a series of child abuse sex cases before Madeleine went missing.

[photo:  Kate and Gerry McCann]

The McCanns were first warned of an alarming number of cases in the Algarve by British consul Bill Henderson.

When police made public their files on the case in the summer of 2008, Kate discovered five cases of British children being sexually abused in their beds while on holiday and while their parents slept in another room.

She wrote in her book: "It broke my heart to read the terrible accounts of these devastated parents and the experiences of their poor children.

"What these cases do demonstrate however, is that British tourists in holiday accommodation were being targeted.

"It is so hard not to scream from the rooftops about how these crimes appear to have been brushed under the carpet."

She has also revealed she is tortured by a belief an abuser is responsible for her daughter's disappearance.

She wrote in the book: "When Madeleine was first stolen, paedophiles were all we could think about, and it ate away at us.

"The truly awful manifestation of what I was feeling was a macabre slideshow of vivid pictures in my brain that taunted me relentlessly.

"I was crying out that I could see Madeleine lying, cold and mottled on a big grey stone slab.

"The idea of a monster like this touching my daughter, stroking her, defiling her perfect little body, just killed me over and over again."

Three paedophiles thought to have been in Portugal when Madeleine McCann vanished were said to have been put on a list of suspects British police drew up after announcing their review.

They included two Brits. One, child molester Raymond Hewlett, died in 2010 from throat cancer after refusing to speak to investigators hunting for Madeleine McCann.

One theory officers were said to be investigating was that Hewlett (64) snatched Madeleine to sell her to gypsies who were apparently trafficking children to Morocco. Scotland Yard has refused to discuss him.

Urs Hans von Aesch, who shot himself dead after kidnapping and murdering five-year-old Ylenia Lenhard in his native Switzerland, has also been put in the frame over Madeleine.

A new Portuguese police team was mobilised to make inquiries on missing Madeleine after Home Secretary Theresa May sent an official request for assistance to Portugal's Attorney General's office in July.

The Algarve-based officers are understood to work for the Policia Judiciaria's Faro-based southern division, the same division tasked with the original probe into Madeleine's disappearance headed by disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral.

He is currently being sued by Kate and Gerry over a controversial July 2008 book he wrote accusing them of covering up their daughter's death in their apartment by faking an abduction.

British police were expected to work along Portuguese police on the new inquiries but that has so far failed to materialise.

Pedro do Carmo, the Policia Judiciaria's National Deputy Director, refused to discuss the work Portuguese police were doing.

He said: "British authorities sent a rotatory [sic] letter to Portugal which was forwarded by the Public Prosecution Service to the Policia Judiciaria so it could be complied with in the normal way."

sallypelt wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-make-tv-6136916

"Nice" pic of ID on there.

Edited to add, and Ann cannot be blamed for THAT shot................can she?

Priceless, priceless!

Setting a whole new standard for the ancient art of sycophantism

In any other setting, the Guy would be holding the umbrella for the Doll. Ah, well: we are where we are, eh?

ShuBob wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:

Detectives said "fresh and substantive" information would emerge on 14 October, when the BBC broadcasts a Crimewatch appeal.

Any chance the * fresh and substantive*  information could be the entry/exit point in the her parents statements that the Public were not told about?

Or any chance the it would be about JT going passed GM and JW but they didn't see her?

Whatever it is, it's clear the Met don't think it would lead to finding a live Maddie. Otherwise, they won't wait till the 14th to release the information.

Also, AR says he doesn't expect to find suspects, only witnesses

Portia wrote:

sallypelt wrote:

Tony Bennett wrote:

Portia wrote:

Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it.  Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.

Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May.  I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn.  There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.

October 3rd?

No.

9th August.

3rd May was 49 days before the day when the sun is at its highest in the northern hemisphere: 21 June.

49 days after that is 9th August.

But could it be done at a different time, but done at a time when the lighting would have been exactly the same. For example, half hour later so the lighting would correspond with the lighting of the 3 May? Just a thought!

Compliments! Yes of course. 

But any reconstruction would be hindered by the simple fact that, after the kid went missing, the street lighting in situ was replaced and changed
from very low to very bright.

The lights are an easy matter to sort. All they needed to do was paint the necessary lights with an amber-coloured dye. I can remember my  hubby used to put an amber dye on older models of British cars that were travelling abroad, as it was a requirement at that time, back in the 1980s.

It's still the case:

Granville Amber light Headlight paint Lacquer for continental car driving 9ml
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Granville-Amber-light-Headlight-paint-Lacquer-continental-car-driving-9ml-/140914917055

Can someone point me to these incidents in the files.............

From Sunday World:
 
 
The McCanns were first warned of an alarming number of cases in the Algarve by British consul Bill Henderson.


When police made public their files on the case in the summer of 2008, Kate discovered five cases of British children being sexually abused in their beds while on holiday and while their parents slept in another room.
She wrote in her book: "It broke my heart to read the terrible accounts of these devastated parents and the experiences of their poor children.
"What these cases do demonstrate however, is that British tourists in holiday accommodation were being targeted.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops

Will they still disregard Eddie and Keela?

aiyoyo wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

There you go!  Time to pack up and go home.

So if a straight forward 'abduction' WHY did ALL the T9 tell LIES in statements?

If it were an 'abduction' by paedos WHY didn't THEY? take the twins as well?

If it were an abduction by paedos why did KM LEAVE THE TWINS ALONE IN THE ROOM THAT THE PAEDOS HAD BEEN IN AND RUN BACK TO THE TAPAS OUT OF SIGHT?

So if Redwood says they have a whole new theory - does that rule out abduction?

regarding the SMS texts, my understanding is they can identify who sent or received texts but wont be able to access the content

jeanmonroe wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

There you go!  Time to pack up and go home.

So if a straight forward 'abduction' WHY did ALL the T9 tell LIES in statements?

If it were an 'abduction' by paedos WHY didn't THEY? take the twins as well?

If it were an abduction by paedos why did KM LEAVE THE TWINS ALONE IN THE ROOM THAT THE PAEDOS HAD BEEN IN AND RUN BACK TO THE TAPAS OUT OF SIGHT?

Calm down jeanmonroe.

candyfloss wrote:Can someone point me to these incidents in the files.............

From Sunday World:
 
 
The McCanns were first warned of an alarming number of cases in the Algarve by British consul Bill Henderson.


When police made public their files on the case in the summer of 2008, Kate discovered five cases of British children being sexually abused in their beds while on holiday and while their parents slept in another room.
She wrote in her book: "It broke my heart to read the terrible accounts of these devastated parents and the experiences of their poor children.
"What these cases do demonstrate however, is that British tourists in holiday accommodation were being targeted.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops

Candy, I will do a search, but in the meantime, is there anything here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13464396/Freedom-of-Information-Act-regarding-John-Buck-the-former-British-Ambassador-in-Portugal

Cristobell wrote:

aiyoyo wrote:

ShuBob wrote:Maddie McCann was snatched by an Algarve paedo ring according to new police theory
Friday 4th October 2013

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-snatched-by-algarve-paedo-ring-say-cops?previewId=r39vkli#.Uk6mQBdR7a8.twitter

There you go!  Time to pack up and go home.

What evidence of paedo ring before and after Madeleine disappeared?  And if there is indeed a paedo ring operating in PDL, why are the PJ refusing to re-open the case?

Well there we have it Raymond Hewitt is again the dead pedophile that will be the scapegoat ? What happened to the Belgium Pedophile Ring.........

Its no good trying to make the pieces fit Scotland Yard we are all watching and waiting and a lot of us have studied the Police files........just so you know we are watching you and will not roll over and play your game....

stumpyhorlicks wrote:
Will they still disregard Eddie and Keela?

bump