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FOI Act request about meetings between staff of Operation Grange and BBC Crimewatch - REFUSED

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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.05.14 6:37

Dear Mr Bennett

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2014010000368

I respond in connection with your request for information which was
received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 03/01/2014. I note
you seek access to the following information:

These questions relate to the contacts between staff of Operation Grange
and the makers of the BBC Crimewatch Special on Madeleine McCann on 14
October 2013.

1. Please state


(a) the date and

(b) the circumstances under which the Metropolitan Police Operation Grange
Team and the BBC Crimewatch team first discussed the making of the
programme about Madeleine McCann transmitted on 14 October 2013

2. Please list all occasions since then, giving the dates, on which any
member of Operation Grange met any member of the BBC Crimewatch Team (or
anyone else from the BBC), either physically, or by video conference - and
for each occasion, list the numbers of Operation Grange members who
attended each meeting.

NOTE: This information will be very easy to find from DCI Andy Redwood's
Policy Folder on Grange's relations with BBC Crimewatch.

DECISION

Section 14 (1) - Vexatious or repeated requests

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 14(1) of the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 (the Act) I have decided to refuse your request as it has been
deemed as a vexatious request.

Under Section 14(1) of the Act, a public authority does not have to comply
with vexatious requests. There is no requirement for a public interest
test.

You have made multiple requests for information relating to the Operation
Grange investigation. You have also engaged in voluminous correspondence
with the Operation Grange team all regarding this single investigation.

You have been warned previously about the vexatious nature of these
requests.

The Act was designed to give individuals a greater right of access to
official information with the intention of making public bodies more
transparent and accountable.

Whilst most people exercise this right responsibly, a few may misuse or
abuse the Act by submitting requests which are intended to be annoying or
disruptive or which have a disproportionate impact on a public authority.

The Information Commissioner recognises that dealing with unreasonable
requests can place a strain on resources and get in the way of delivering
mainstream services or answering legitimate requests. Furthermore, these
requests can also damage the reputation of the legislation itself.

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Re: FOI Act request about meetings between staff of Operation Grange and BBC Crimewatch - REFUSED

Post by ufercoffy on 30.05.14 7:03

"Vexatious nature of these requests"?

Anyone would think the authorities don't want to share information about the investigation into the death of three-year-old Madeleine McCann for some reason.

Can't someone else do the FOI? The Madeleine Foundation for instance? Surely they wouldn't be able to quote vexatious nature/multiple requests if the Madeleine Foundation only did one FOI?

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Post by Improper Conduct on 30.05.14 7:09

@Tony Bennett wrote:Dear Mr Bennett

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2014010000368

I respond in connection with your request for information which was
received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 03/01/2014. I note
you seek access to the following information:

These questions relate to the contacts between staff of Operation Grange
and the makers of the BBC Crimewatch Special on Madeleine McCann on 14
October 2013.

1. Please state


(a) the date and

(b) the circumstances under which the Metropolitan Police Operation Grange
Team and the BBC Crimewatch team first discussed the making of the
programme about Madeleine McCann transmitted on 14 October 2013

2. Please list all occasions since then, giving the dates, on which any
member of Operation Grange met any member of the BBC Crimewatch Team (or
anyone else from the BBC), either physically, or by video conference - and
for each occasion, list the numbers of Operation Grange members who
attended each meeting.

NOTE: This information will be very easy to find from DCI Andy Redwood's
Policy Folder on Grange's relations with BBC Crimewatch.

DECISION

Section 14 (1) - Vexatious or repeated requests

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 14(1) of the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 (the Act) I have decided to refuse your request as it has been
deemed as a vexatious request.

Under Section 14(1) of the Act, a public authority does not have to comply
with vexatious requests. There is no requirement for a public interest
test.

You have made multiple requests for information relating to the Operation
Grange investigation. You have also engaged in voluminous correspondence
with the Operation Grange team all regarding this single investigation.

You have been warned previously about the vexatious nature of these
requests.

The Act was designed to give individuals a greater right of access to
official information with the intention of making public bodies more
transparent and accountable.

Whilst most people exercise this right responsibly, a few may misuse or
abuse the Act by submitting requests which are intended to be annoying or
disruptive or which have a disproportionate impact on a public authority.

The Information Commissioner recognises that dealing with unreasonable
requests can place a strain on resources and get in the way of delivering
mainstream services or answering legitimate requests. Furthermore, these
requests can also damage the reputation of the legislation itself.
Was this reply in letter form or email Tony?

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Post by nomendelta on 30.05.14 7:14

Well reference to Tony's "voluminous" correspondence doesn't make it sound like the Grange team are exactly grateful for any information Tony provided in said correspondence...leaning me more towards this whole damned mess being a whitewash otherwise why make reference to it?

This "review" is unprecedented - a huge expense for the taxpayer to search for ONE "missing" child. I absolutely think every single thing referring to this needs to be open to public scrutiny.

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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements on 30.05.14 7:29

@nomendelta wrote:I absolutely think every single thing referring to this needs to be open to public scrutiny.

Which, of course, it never will be.

The more this is covered up by the government and police and treated like a cloak and dagger case there is only one conclusion I can personally come to about what really happened to Madeleine McCann and I hope she didn't suffer too much by the pervert scumbags who came into contact with her. And I hope her siblings are safe.

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Post by ultimaThule on 30.05.14 7:37

It would seem your reputation precedes you, TB, and my concern is that if you continue to push the envelope you may find yourself in receipt of another from Carter-Fcuk.

This is a common consequence for those who become known more for their persistence in challenging the establishment than any injustice they seek to bring to its attention and, although it's my understanding that you are no longer under threat of imprisonment for having reneged on an undertaking you gave to the High Court,  I would suggest that the way forward is to delegate the task of making any further such requests to others whose names are not so immediately synonymous with that of the McCanns.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.05.14 7:39

@nomendelta wrote:Well reference to Tony's "voluminous" correspondence doesn't make it sound like the Grange team are exactly grateful for any information Tony provided in said correspondence...leaning me more towards this whole damned mess being a whitewash otherwise why make reference to it?

This "review" is unprecedented - a huge expense for the taxpayer to search for ONE "missing" child. I absolutely think every single thing referring to this needs to be open to public scrutiny.
@ nomendelta,

Exactly right.

'Voluminous correspondence' is generally taken to refer to people who write to someone else excessively often. The truth is that in July and October 2011 respectively, I sent them two large dossiers of evidence, the second of which was evidence as to the activities of the McCann Team's private investigators: Metodo 3, Gary Hagland, Kevin Halligen, Henri Exton, Dave Edgar and Arthur Cowley (including their ALPHAIG deception).

There were some short e-mails between July and October 2011. Since then, i.e. during the past 2 years and 7 months, I have not communicated with them once.

As you rightly observe, the implication is that if Joe Bloggins of Neasden or Dollis Hill had asked that question, instead of Anthony Bennett from Harlow, it would have been answered! 

Finally, I have asked, I think, 5 FOI Act questions of the Met Police about Grange in the space of over 3 years. Is that 'multiple'? I would have thought 'a few' was nearer the mark.

You wrote:  "This 'review' is unprecedented - a huge expense for the taxpayer to search for ONE "missing" child. I absolutely think every single thing referring to this needs to be open to public scrutiny".

Precisely. I am asking these questions on behalf of the taxpayers of my country.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.05.14 7:44

@ultimaThule wrote:It would seem your reputation precedes you, TB, and my concern is that if you continue to push the envelope you may find yourself in receipt of another from Carter-Fcuk.

This is a common consequence for those who become known more for their persistence in challenging the establishment than any injustice they seek to bring to its attention and, although it's my understanding that you are no longer under threat of imprisonment for having reneged on an undertaking you gave to the High Court,  I would suggest that the way forward is to delegate the task of making any further such requests to others whose names are not so immediately synonymous with that of the McCanns.
@ ultimaThule - I should be banned not only from giving my opinions about the case, but also from exercising my legal right to ask questions about a £7.6 million-plus investigation into an offence committed in another country which has got nowhere in over 3 years? - and was set up only because the CEO of News International threatened the Prime Minister of the UK with 'consequences' if he didn't?

Any other ways I should stop 'pushing the envelope'?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.05.14 8:13

Just for the public record, here are the details of FOI Act requests made by me about Operation Grange in the 3 years it's been going:

1.   Aug 2011 Ref 201108000o691 (included question about the Met's remit)

2.   Jan 2012 Ref 2012010000814

3.   May 2013 Ref 2013050000621

4.   Aug 2013 Ref 20130800002226

5.   Jan 2014 Ref 2104010000368 (the one referred to in the OP).

I have never received any letter from the Met suggesting that any of these requests was 'vexatious'.

This was the last letter I received from them:

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Dear Mr Bennett,

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013080002226

I respond in connection with your request for information which was received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 02/08/2013. I note you seek access to the following information

Please state the number of police officers, BY RANK and whether FULL-TIME or PART-TIME, employed within Operation Grange on the following dates: 1 Sep 2011, 1 Mar 2012, 1 Sep 2012, 1 Mar 2013.

It is not possible to determine which staff worked on Operation Grange prior to the date of your request within the cost limit as it would be necessary to examine the MPS HR system to see which staff were assigned to the relevant Major Investigation Team (MIT) since May 2011 when the operation began, to date.

The Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) allows applicants the right to request recorded information. So whilst anecdotally the Senior Investigating Officer may be aware of which officers have served under him for what period of time, it is not sufficient for purposes of the Act for him to relate what he knows to provide an answer. The information must be contained in a recordable format, ie a record, which can answer your request.

To do this would therefore entail a search of the MPS HR database to determine which officers were assigned to the MIT team which is conducting Operation Grange at the relevant times.

I accept that you were advised previously that the MPS might be able to provide an answer to this request, however upon conducting searches it has become apparant [sic] that it is not feasible to do so within the cost limit.

This email is to inform you that it will not be possible to respond to your request within the cost threshold. We estimate that the cost of complying with this request would exceed the appropriate limit. The appropriate limit has been specified in regulations and for agencies outside central Government; this is set at £450.00. This represents the estimated cost of one person spending 18 hours [at a rate of £25 per hour] in determining whether the MPS holds the information, and locating, retrieving and extracting the information.

In accordance with the Act, this email acts as a Refusal Notice.

Section 17(5) of the Act provides:

(5) A public authority which, in relation to any request for information, is relying on a claim that section 12 or 14 applies must, within the time for complying with section 1(1), give the applicant a notice stating that fact.

Section 12(1) of the Act provides:

(1) Section 1 does not oblige a public authority to comply with a request for information if the authority estimates that the cost of complying with the request would exceed the appropriate limit.

Section 16 of the Act provides:

(1) It shall be the duty of a public authority to provide advice and assistance, so far as it would be reasonable to expect the authority to do so, to persons who propose to make, or have made, requests for information to it.

(2) Any public authority which, in relation to the provision of advice or assistance in any case, conforms with the code of practice under section 45 is to be taken to comply with the duty imposed by subsection (1) in relation to that case.

I would like to provide you with advice as to how you may narrow your request so that it does not exceed the appropriate limit.

It might be possible to provide the number of officers currently working on Operation Grange at present, subject to any exemptions which might apply.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right of complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please email or contact me on telephone number 020 7230 2372 quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

James Young
SC&O Information Manager

 

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Post by aiyoyo on 30.05.14 8:21

You have made multiple requests for information relating to the Operation
Grange investigation. You have also engaged in voluminous correspondence
with the Operation Grange team
all regarding this single investigation.

Without a shadow of doubt they got this  info from OG.
The sharing of this info between OG and FOI office would suggest OG finds the request tiresome, refused to comply, and OG's communicated their negative sentiment about the request to FOI office.


You have been warned previously about the vexatious nature of these
requests.

Warned - emanating from who exactly? FOI Office on behalf of OG?
FOI authority is an independent body that should not discriminate or rule against multiple requests as there's no rule against multiple requests is there? Especially if subject matter/s of request is different each time.

No matter what transpired between FOI office and OG, imv, FOI office should have been more diplomatic. They could say request cannot be met for X reason, without adopting bias or taking side.

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Post by Pershing36 on 30.05.14 10:31

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:It would seem your reputation precedes you, TB, and my concern is that if you continue to push the envelope you may find yourself in receipt of another from Carter-Fcuk.

This is a common consequence for those who become known more for their persistence in challenging the establishment than any injustice they seek to bring to its attention and, although it's my understanding that you are no longer under threat of imprisonment for having reneged on an undertaking you gave to the High Court,  I would suggest that the way forward is to delegate the task of making any further such requests to others whose names are not so immediately synonymous with that of the McCanns.
@ ultimaThule - I should be banned not only from giving my opinions about the case, but also from exercising my legal right to ask questions about a £7.6 million-plus investigation into an offence committed in another country which has got nowhere in over 3 years? - and was set up only because the CEO of News International threatened the Prime Minister of the UK with 'consequences' if he didn't?

Any other ways I should stop 'pushing the envelope'?


I admire your work questioning what is going on in the MET regarding this case.  I agree with you it does seem to be going nowhere and costing huge sums of money.  Some of the press releases are indeed ludicrous and could be even comical if it wasn't a case of a missing child.

Even the Pro's seemed puzzled when the story of the soothing couple came out.  The McCann's seem to be distancing themselves from it, even though there is no indication they are in the frame for anything.

However that letter sounds pretty threatening to me and I fear they could get pretty nasty legally with you if it continues.  I am not telling you what to do but if it was me I would back off for my own well being.

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Post by Guest on 30.05.14 10:40

@Tony Bennett wrote:
You have made multiple requests for information relating to the Operation
Grange investigation. You have also engaged in voluminous correspondence
with the Operation Grange team all regarding this single investigation.


But Operation Grange are only concerned with a single investigation?

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Post by russiandoll on 30.05.14 10:43

@nomendelta wrote:Well reference to Tony's "voluminous" correspondence doesn't make it sound like the Grange team are exactly grateful for any information Tony provided in said correspondence...leaning me more towards this whole damned mess being a whitewash otherwise why make reference to it?

This "review" is unprecedented - a huge expense for the taxpayer to search for ONE "missing" child. I absolutely think every single thing referring to this needs to be open to public scrutiny.

 Why would a team of detectives be interested in anything sent to them by members of the public theorising about the case they are busy investigating? I would not be surprised to hear that things such as this are put to one side or even immediately binned.

 The police have the files, the police can read and see what we can see. They are not interested in speculation and theories, they can form their own hypotheses because they are trained to see facts, then find anomalies, contradictions, discrepancies and inconsistencies.
 They are trained to spot a lie or an attempt to misdirect or deceive. They are trained in deductive analysis.

 I also think for his own good and emotional wellbeing that Tony should back off, because I can see him getting into serious trouble for venturing into territory he stated in court that he would keep clear from.

 I fear this is now an obsession for Tony and will get him nowhere but into trouble.
 His statements about people associated with this case are close to libellous and he needs to be very careful.

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Post by tiny on 30.05.14 10:52

@russiandoll wrote:
@nomendelta wrote:Well reference to Tony's "voluminous" correspondence doesn't make it sound like the Grange team are exactly grateful for any information Tony provided in said correspondence...leaning me more towards this whole damned mess being a whitewash otherwise why make reference to it?

This "review" is unprecedented - a huge expense for the taxpayer to search for ONE "missing" child. I absolutely think every single thing referring to this needs to be open to public scrutiny.

 Why would a team of detectives be interested in anything sent to them by members of the public theorising about the case they are busy investigating? I would not be surprised to hear that things such as this are put to one side or even immediately binned.

 The police have the files, the police can read and see what we can see. They are not interested in speculation and theories, they can form their own hypotheses because they are trained to see facts, then find anomalies, contradictions, discrepancies and inconsistencies.
 They are trained to spot a lie or an attempt to misdirect or deceive. They are trained in deductive analysis.

 I also think for his own good and emotional wellbeing that Tony should back off, because I can see him getting into serious trouble for venturing into territory he stated in court that he would keep clear from.

 I fear this is now an obsession for Tony and will get him nowhere but into trouble.
 His statements about people associated with this case are close to libellous and he needs to be very careful.
Are you saying that everyone who has sent info to them regarding this case have wasted their time,the police might have the files but are they reading them,to me it seems they are working from the outer to the middle instead of the middle to the outer.

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Post by appleblossom on 30.05.14 11:03

What I find most irregular in this...Is FOI complaining about your correspondence with OG.
Fair enough. It is appropriate to complain about your requests to them about OG but for them to address direct correspondence between you and OG is not on and very unprofessional of both teams. In my opinion!

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Post by aiyoyo on 30.05.14 11:15

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
You have made multiple requests for information relating to the Operation
Grange investigation. You have also engaged in voluminous correspondence
with the Operation Grange team all regarding this single investigation.


But Operation Grange are only concerned with a single investigation?

Hence, code name Op "Grange"......
Good observation !

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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.05.14 11:16

@russiandoll wrote:
 Why would a team of detectives be interested in anything sent to them by members of the public theorising about the case they are busy investigating? I would not be surprised to hear that things such as this are put to one side or even immediately binned.

You make an immediate assumption that I sent them 'theories'. What I sent was evidence. The second dossier contained a great deal of evidence about the conduct of the private investigators (of which, see more, Channel 5, Wednesday), not least the disclosures made to me by money-laundering expert Gary Hagland, only some of which I've published on this forum.

The police have the files, the police can read and see what we can see. They are not interested in speculation and theories, they can form their own hypotheses because they are trained to see facts, then find anomalies, contradictions, discrepancies and inconsistencies.  They are trained to spot a lie or an attempt to misdirect or deceive. They are trained in deductive analysis.

That's just what the police said about Hillsborough. Didn't Britain's top police officer, Bernard Hogan-Howe, Met Police Commissioner, say he had '100% confidence' in everything his 'Plebgate' officers had told him? Look at all that happened after he said that.

I also think for his own good and emotional wellbeing that Tony should back off, because I can see him getting into serious trouble for venturing into territory he stated in court that he would keep clear from.  I fear this is now an obsession for Tony and will get him nowhere but into trouble.  His statements about people associated with this case are close to libellous and he needs to be very careful.

It is touching, russiandoll, how often and with what care you have shown your concern for my 'good and emotional wellbeing' on this forum. As the Apostle Paul once said: (Galatians 6 v 9), "Be not weary in well doing..."  

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Post by Tony Bennett on 30.05.14 11:20

@appleblossom wrote:What I find most irregular in this...Is FOI complaining about your correspondence with OG.
Fair enough. It is appropriate to complain about your requests to them about OG but for them to address direct correspondence between you and OG is not on and very unprofessional of both teams. In my opinion!
Moreover, Operation Grange have, it seems, misled their FOI Act colleagues by describing about three e-mails and two bundles of evidence, all sent over 31 months ago (last bundle sent October 2011), as 'voluminous correspondence'

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Post by Improper Conduct on 30.05.14 11:21

For someone who thinks its a whitewash, why bother...
Was this reply by email or letter ?

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Post by ultimaThule on 30.05.14 11:26

As my concern for your welfare extends to your financial wellbeing, in the interests of prudence if not caution, may I suggest you remove the name of the money laundering expert who disclosed certain information to you, TB

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Post by nomendelta on 30.05.14 11:28

@russiandoll wrote:
@nomendelta wrote:Well reference to Tony's "voluminous" correspondence doesn't make it sound like the Grange team are exactly grateful for any information Tony provided in said correspondence...leaning me more towards this whole damned mess being a whitewash otherwise why make reference to it?

This "review" is unprecedented - a huge expense for the taxpayer to search for ONE "missing" child. I absolutely think every single thing referring to this needs to be open to public scrutiny.

 Why would a team of detectives be interested in anything sent to them by members of the public theorising about the case they are busy investigating? I would not be surprised to hear that things such as this are put to one side or even immediately binned.


To be fair to Tony, the fact that this case is SO public (which has been the parents own choice since the very beginning, makes it inevitable that people will supply what the believe to be helpful information to the police. Indeed, the police themselves have twice made appeals on the BBC show Crimewatch for ANY information that could help solve the case or identify as yet unidentified players in the case - although the quite remarkable ability to put a name and face and plausible explanation to dispell "Tannerman" as the abductor shows the police can apparently do wonders without such help.

We pay for the BBC, we pay for the police, we pay for the government. This single case which to many seems quite simple to many observers has cost a huge amount of money which can't be overlooked. Why? It seems to be that Redwood and co are investigating every seemingly blind (or false) lead but not investigating who most of us here seem to think is responsible. Maybe he's being clever - maybe he's not allowed to look at the parents but has taken the attitude "well we'll look at everything they've said and rule it out". Regardless, it seems to me that the resources at their disposal could have been used in much better ways.

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Re: FOI Act request about meetings between staff of Operation Grange and BBC Crimewatch - REFUSED

Post by aiyoyo on 30.05.14 12:29

@nomendelta wrote:

To be fair to Tony, the fact that this case is SO public (which has been the parents own choice since the very beginning, makes it inevitable that people will supply what the believe to be helpful information to the police. Indeed, the police themselves have twice made appeals on the BBC show Crimewatch for ANY information that could help solve the case or identify as yet unidentified players in the case - although the quite remarkable ability to put a name and face and plausible explanation to dispell "Tannerman" as the abductor shows the police can apparently do wonders without such help.

We pay for the BBC, we pay for the police, we pay for the government. This single case which to many seems quite simple to many observers has cost a huge amount of money which can't be overlooked. Why? It seems to be that Redwood and co are investigating every seemingly blind (or false) lead but not investigating who most of us here seem to think is responsible. Maybe he's being clever - maybe he's not allowed to look at the parents but has taken the attitude "well we'll look at everything they've said and rule it out". Regardless, it seems to me that the resources at their disposal could have been used in much better ways.

Precisely !

When Police appealed for information, saying any kind is welcomed, then they're saying it is down to them to decide the usefulness or not of it.  They can process it as they see fit - use it or disregard it.
If they should deem it not useful then so be it; it is pathetically unprofessional to use that as excuse to fob off FOI request.

They may not see the point of the FOI in terms of public interest to know (a different matter altogether); that they usually fob off listing clauses of act why they won't or can't supply it; that is normal.
What is not normal is for them to determine the reason for the request or term it vexatious since they are not a court of law.

They are now on records for their unpleasant (threatening) reply.  Police are not above the law.

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Re: FOI Act request about meetings between staff of Operation Grange and BBC Crimewatch - REFUSED

Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 30.05.14 12:45

I admire your spirit Tone and as usual you are upsetting people.

Someone else should submit an identical request and see what response they get.

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Re: FOI Act request about meetings between staff of Operation Grange and BBC Crimewatch - REFUSED

Post by Woofer on 30.05.14 13:15

@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:I admire your spirit Tone and as usual you are upsetting people.

Someone else should submit an identical request and see what response they get.

Looking at their website it seems they would conclude there is a campaign.

http://ico.org.uk/news/blog/2013/~/media/documents/library/Freedom_of_Information/Detailed_specialist_guides/dealing-with-vexatious-requests.pdf

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Re: FOI Act request about meetings between staff of Operation Grange and BBC Crimewatch - REFUSED

Post by beijos on 30.05.14 13:22

You can complain to the ICO (there's an online form). As a guide, one request per year (even if it's for the same information) is not considered vexatious.


http://ico.org.uk/~/media/documents/decisionnotices/2012/fs_50430043.ashx

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