19 May Mail on Sunday: 'MADDIE: UK CLEANERS ARE SUSPECTS' + WHO SOOTHED A WEEPING MADDIE the Express

[color=red]russiandoll wrote:Didn't Gerry McCann say around anniversary time, during an interview, that the police would be going public in a couple of weeks ?

And then HC comes out with his statement.
And then there is the story about people in 5a the evening before abduction.[/color]

plebgate wrote:

[color=red]russiandoll wrote:Didn't Gerry McCann say around anniversary time, during an interview, that the police would be going public in a couple of weeks ?

And then HC comes out with his statement.
And then there is the story about people in 5a the evening before abduction.[/color]

Sounds right to me and about that time when wee Kelly said it is the first time in six years Mrs. was able to smile. Yes there were smiles and sofa sittings then, but where are they now that HC has given this statement?

Tanner's description certainly does not fit with a middle age man being the abductor.

I wonder if we will hear next of somebody seeing one of those electric wheelchairs hanging around during the holiday. It's about the only thing yet not to have been seen in such a quiet resort, so quiet that it was apparently safe to leave doors opens and children alone in their apartments whilst the parents went out WINING and dining.

Jog on with the stories, cos it's all getting on my nerves.

aiyoyo wrote:If Campbell was peddling the abduction line, maybe the Mccanns might hire him as pte detective provided they still have money in the Pte Ltd Co.

Curioser wrote:

russiandoll wrote:from Mrs Fenn's statement :

SNIP

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.
As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.
That
night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia
da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not
surprised at the childs crying.
She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.

Am I reading this correctly, that Mrs Fenn being home " at night " means she was out for the evening so could not tell police about any crying while McCanns were at dinner, having returned late evening, " night" time ?
As she has been previously describing crying after dark, I find it difficult to interpret this part of her statement as meaning " I can't tell you about the Wednesday because I was out during the day"...[ she had not been focusing her memory on daytime is what I mean]

If she was out for the day returning for the evening, [ tapas mealtime] then she is saying she WAS at home but no crying like evening before.

Ah well, confusion is good!

I think she meant she was out all day and only came home to sleep, so later at night.

I've always thought this was weird too. Mrs Fenn says:
At about 23H45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse

Which means she could hear any little thing, any door opening below etc. Then:
When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCANN apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late.

She didn't hear anything on the night of the 3rd. No-one going in or out, no checks, no people talking. Nada.

bristow wrote:She writes ...

"...I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

bristow wrote:Do we know who Kate is referring to in the bewk, is it meant to be Mrs. Fenn?

She writes ...

"Then a lady appeared on a balcony - I'm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived - and, in a plummy voice, inquired "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?" I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded 'Oh I see,' almost as if she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction.
I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Lostfridge wrote:

bristow wrote:Do we know who Kate is referring to in the bewk, is it meant to be Mrs. Fenn?

She writes ...

"Then a lady appeared on a balcony - I'm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived - and, in a plummy voice, inquired "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?" I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded 'Oh I see,' almost as if she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction.
I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Did KM really write this in her book?!!! These snippets paint much different picture than I had of her originally!. I've always had an element of sympathy for her but reading things like this....I am really surprised at how obvious it is what shes trying to do and I dont think its helping her cause.

bobbin wrote:

margaret wrote:
The first thing the made me think the parents were suspicious was reading in the daily mail that jez Wilkins saw Gerry by the shutters of the apartment that night and Gerry came over to talk to him. So that's why l believe the cadaver scent was in the flower bed too.

And afterwards someone forgot or didn't have time to 'jemmy' those shutters.

Margaret, I remember reading that too, but couldn't remember where and on searching I find its not around any more.
Do you have a copy of the article or can you remember any more details. The fact that Gerry went over to talk to him would place them round the front of the house, by the car park which is where Jez would have started his walk with the child in the buggy around 8 to 8.30, and at some time he saw the lady in the purple dress, looking at 5a whom he later discovered was Jane Tanner.
Your memories here would be good.

MJC wrote:

bristow wrote:She writes ...

"...I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Could that have been:

"F****** Tosser"?

margaret wrote:

bobbin wrote:

margaret wrote:
The first thing the made me think the parents were suspicious was reading in the daily mail that jez Wilkins saw Gerry by the shutters of the apartment that night and Gerry came over to talk to him. So that's why l believe the cadaver scent was in the flower bed too.

And afterwards someone forgot or didn't have time to 'jemmy' those shutters.

Margaret, I remember reading that too, but couldn't remember where and on searching I find its not around any more.
Do you have a copy of the article or can you remember any more details. The fact that Gerry went over to talk to him would place them round the front of the house, by the car park which is where Jez would have started his walk with the child in the buggy around 8 to 8.30, and at some time he saw the lady in the purple dress, looking at 5a whom he later discovered was Jane Tanner.
Your memories here would be good.

I've had the weekend Daily Mails for years and it would have been in either a Saturday or Sunday version. Thinking back though it must have been within a month of Maddie disappearing.

I clearly remember it because up until then l believed the McCanns - had no reason to think they were lying even though l thought they were odd and coldly behaved - it was that story that made me think 'wtf' and l went on the internet to find forums/chat rooms to see if anyone else was thinking what l was thinking. I found the mirror forums and have been around since.

I have since tried to find those articles online with no luck. I did get in touch with the DM but they wanted £8 a copy and since l don't know the exact date it could be a costly exercise, but l know it was in there because as l say, that's when the penny dropped for me.

aiyoyo wrote:If the one hour forty five minutes crying story is rehashed in the press, would Mr & Mrs still come out and defend their parenting skills as being reasonable parenting I wonder.

Lostfridge wrote:

bristow wrote:Do we know who Kate is referring to in the bewk, is it meant to be Mrs. Fenn?

She writes ...

"Then a lady appeared on a balcony - I'm fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived - and, in a plummy voice, inquired "Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?" I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded 'Oh I see,' almost as if she had been told a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction.
I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point."

Did KM really write this in her book?!!! These snippets paint much different picture than I had of her originally!. I've always had an element of sympathy for her but reading things like this....I am really surprised at how obvious it is what shes trying to do and I dont think its helping her cause.