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Re: ***LATEST NEWS AND UPDATES FROM THE TRIAL HERE*** See page 40 for news of the date and time of the judgment
Does that site have another name? Googled JATYN and nothing interesting came up. My filth filters are obviously on tip top form!
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roy rovers wrote:Smokeandmirrors wrote:bristow wrote:Do you know what?
I have just had a read of the JATYN2 forum and it has proved to me undoubtedly that they LIE and LIE.
Someone is saying that Tony handed a list of other supporters to the Judge, that just DID NOT happen, just shows they make it up as they go along, utterly ludicrous!!
You want to get on over to JATYN and ask them to prove it!!
The point about those people is that they don't need proof. They'd believe in anything - abductions - probably including alien abductions.
When I try to picture them mentally, admittedly not something I do having consumed lunch, I see a row of "Churchill" Insurance bulldogs all nodding maniacally in unison " Oh yes, yes, yes".Truth would appear to be an optional extra in their world.
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bristow wrote:Just seen that MF blog too, lie upon lie, he has even shown a photo of someone in an orange tracksuit saying they were there, they weren't!!
He said the Judge had to ask supporters to be quiet ... haha unreal, blatant blatant lies!
Not going to bother reading it anymore its utterly ABSURD!!
There has only ever been lies from the mccanns side since 10pm on May 3rd 2007...they're not going to stop now nearly 6 years later
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roy rovers wrote:[The point about those people is that they don't need proof. They'd believe in anything - abductions - probably including alien abductions.
An alien abduction would explain why there was no sign of forced entry or exit
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Smokeandmirrors wrote:Does that site have another name? Googled JATYN and nothing interesting came up. My filth filters are obviously on tip top form!
Its JATYK
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stargazer59 wrote:Smokeandmirrors wrote:Does that site have another name? Googled JATYN and nothing interesting came up. My filth filters are obviously on tip top form!
Its JATYK
Doh!!! What a numpty!!
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stargazer59 wrote:Smokeandmirrors wrote:Does that site have another name? Googled JATYN and nothing interesting came up. My filth filters are obviously on tip top form!
Its JATYK
try jatyk2...I believe the original forum closed down, but don't forget your alcohol rub for your hands and wipe your feet well before coming back in here lol
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monkey mind wrote:roy rovers wrote:[The point about those people is that they don't need proof. They'd believe in anything - abductions - probably including alien abductions.
An alien abduction would explain why there was no sign of forced entry or exit
This is how the abductor escaped without leaving a single trace of evidence...didn't you realise
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Don't forget bleach for your computer
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Smokeandmirrors wrote:stargazer59 wrote:Smokeandmirrors wrote:Does that site have another name? Googled JATYN and nothing interesting came up. My filth filters are obviously on tip top form!
Its JATYK
Doh!!! What a numpty!!
If visiting a lunatic asylum interests you then do visit. if not, just dont click!
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i havent posted or been near anything pro since sol closed -- omg you are brave souls -- mind i can do with a laugh -- is linkys allowed here ?
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Oh Dear.
They have 83 online, here there are @522 online. Hmmm.
It looks like a 13 yr old chav's Bebo page.
Nuff said.
They have 83 online, here there are @522 online. Hmmm.
It looks like a 13 yr old chav's Bebo page.
Nuff said.
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muratfan is guiding the media on twitter to his blog - it's actually amusing.
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olipet wrote:muratfan is guiding the media on twitter to his blog - it's actually amusing.
Is his blog entitled "Fantasy Island" ?
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What a silly man!!! They'll see who, in fact, is the stalker and be quite shocked that the only people on the net who support the Mc's are quite rabid. That's yet another own goal he's scored! He'll get "Man of the Match" for his performance in his team of one!
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Smokeandmirrors wrote:What a silly man!!! They'll see who, in fact, is the stalker and be quite shocked that the only people on the net who support the Mc's are quite rabid. That's yet another own goal he's scored! He'll get "Man of the Match" for his performance in his team of one!
Pity Tony couldn't use this as evidence in court as to why he feels the need to get the TRUTH out there.
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hope tony is getting plenty of rest this evening good luck for tomorrow Tony xx
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In brief:
The judge severely limited my questions to Carter-Ruck's Solicitor and Partner, Isabel Martorell.
I think I am right in saying (we shall see tomorrrow) that none of the facts relating to Madeleine's reported disappearance are of any relevance whatosever to this hearing.
Nor is the widespread availability of Dr Amaral's book; that was also ruled as irrelevant.
One issue that emerged during the hearing more than once was the McCanns' powerlessness to control the level of dissent about Madeleine. I was able to demonstrate that I was the only person on the entire planet who was actively being inhibited from expressing his opinions on the disappearance of Madeleine. That was also ruled entirely irrelevant to the issue of whether I had breached any of my undertakings.
The circumstances under which I agreed to give the undertakings - on 2 October 2009 following legal advice from Kirwans - were also deemed irrelevant. The fact that the only alternative I was faced with was to face a full-blown libel trial, up against the legal firepower of Carter-Ruck and with no Legal Aid for defamation cases, was also ruled irrelevant.
Michael Gunnill's evidence was that he obtained the '60 Reasons' book from me purely to make himself some money. He said he had asked the Editor of the Sunday Express if he would be interested in running a story on Tony Benentt breaking his undertakings. He said that the Editor said 'Yes', and so he tried to get a book from me by subterfuge. Having done so, the Editor never ran the story so he never got paid. On this forum, Mr Gunnill claimed to have received the book on 4 February 2010, but in his Affidavit he said it was on 1 February. He could not explain the discrepancy.
In her Affidavit, Ms Martorell had said on oath that 'Madeleine was abducted'. She conceded that she had been told that but didn't know whether or not that was true. Her information came from her clients.
The one ray of hope was that Mr Justice Tugendhat said that many of the issues I sought to raise would become relevant at a subsequent hearing at which I shall be applying to lift the stay on the libel proceedings - and (hopefully) then be able to argue the case to lift the undertakings. This hearing will not release me from my undertakings and it has been spelled out to me that unless and until the undertakings are lifted, I must not give my opinion on what may have happened to Madeleine.
The support at the Court was briliant - thanks so much to all who came.
Especial thanks to Enid O'Dowd, the accountant who wrote up an excellent analysis of the Fund. She flew over from the Irish Republic to help me. She was not allowed to be a witness for me at today's hearing, because Mr Justice Tugendhat deemed it irrelevant to the issues he had to decide. He did however say that her evidence might well be relevant at a future hearing.
There were 5 journalists present during various parts of the proceedings.
It all seems very very unjust
The judge severely limited my questions to Carter-Ruck's Solicitor and Partner, Isabel Martorell.
I think I am right in saying (we shall see tomorrrow) that none of the facts relating to Madeleine's reported disappearance are of any relevance whatosever to this hearing.
Nor is the widespread availability of Dr Amaral's book; that was also ruled as irrelevant.
One issue that emerged during the hearing more than once was the McCanns' powerlessness to control the level of dissent about Madeleine. I was able to demonstrate that I was the only person on the entire planet who was actively being inhibited from expressing his opinions on the disappearance of Madeleine. That was also ruled entirely irrelevant to the issue of whether I had breached any of my undertakings.
The circumstances under which I agreed to give the undertakings - on 2 October 2009 following legal advice from Kirwans - were also deemed irrelevant. The fact that the only alternative I was faced with was to face a full-blown libel trial, up against the legal firepower of Carter-Ruck and with no Legal Aid for defamation cases, was also ruled irrelevant.
Michael Gunnill's evidence was that he obtained the '60 Reasons' book from me purely to make himself some money. He said he had asked the Editor of the Sunday Express if he would be interested in running a story on Tony Benentt breaking his undertakings. He said that the Editor said 'Yes', and so he tried to get a book from me by subterfuge. Having done so, the Editor never ran the story so he never got paid. On this forum, Mr Gunnill claimed to have received the book on 4 February 2010, but in his Affidavit he said it was on 1 February. He could not explain the discrepancy.
In her Affidavit, Ms Martorell had said on oath that 'Madeleine was abducted'. She conceded that she had been told that but didn't know whether or not that was true. Her information came from her clients.
The one ray of hope was that Mr Justice Tugendhat said that many of the issues I sought to raise would become relevant at a subsequent hearing at which I shall be applying to lift the stay on the libel proceedings - and (hopefully) then be able to argue the case to lift the undertakings. This hearing will not release me from my undertakings and it has been spelled out to me that unless and until the undertakings are lifted, I must not give my opinion on what may have happened to Madeleine.
The support at the Court was briliant - thanks so much to all who came.
Especial thanks to Enid O'Dowd, the accountant who wrote up an excellent analysis of the Fund. She flew over from the Irish Republic to help me. She was not allowed to be a witness for me at today's hearing, because Mr Justice Tugendhat deemed it irrelevant to the issues he had to decide. He did however say that her evidence might well be relevant at a future hearing.
There were 5 journalists present during various parts of the proceedings.
It all seems very very unjust
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god bless you Tony.stay strong god is on your side xx
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Thanks for the update.
On the upside, now the judge knows that someone has analysed the accounts, that many many people doubt the official story, that Gunnil is a con artist, and several other things. Whilst it might not be relevant to todays proceedings, it is closer to getting a public airing, and that is a good thing. These things have been mentioned inside a courtroom.
And Isabel Martorell admitted an affidavit that she could say was true or not, just what she had been told? That sounds totally unprofessional.
Glad you have made it through today, and all the best for tomorrow.
On the upside, now the judge knows that someone has analysed the accounts, that many many people doubt the official story, that Gunnil is a con artist, and several other things. Whilst it might not be relevant to todays proceedings, it is closer to getting a public airing, and that is a good thing. These things have been mentioned inside a courtroom.
And Isabel Martorell admitted an affidavit that she could say was true or not, just what she had been told? That sounds totally unprofessional.
Glad you have made it through today, and all the best for tomorrow.
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Hi Tony
Thanks for the update.
I hope the ray of light you mention shines brightly for you tomorrow.
Lets hope Justice Tugendhat is able to find in your favour.
Doug
Thanks for the update.
I hope the ray of light you mention shines brightly for you tomorrow.
Lets hope Justice Tugendhat is able to find in your favour.
Doug
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Yes, thanks Tony, for updating us.
Please try your best to get a restful night's sleep. Because, as Scarlett O'Hara said "Tomorrow is another day".
Best wishes.
Please try your best to get a restful night's sleep. Because, as Scarlett O'Hara said "Tomorrow is another day".
Best wishes.
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Tony of course it is all UNJUST, but as you say Judge T has given you a ray of hope and hopefully they will have many sleepless nights now wondering whether the judge will permit a subsequent hearing and that Enid O'Dowd might be able to give evidence.
That is certainly not good news for them.
What was that solicitor woman thinking giving evidence under oath that Maddie was abducted and then having to admit that her clients had told her that and that she herself had no evidence that it had taken place. How much are they paying her? They should sue her next for making their side look like plonkers imo. ha ha.
That is certainly not good news for them.
What was that solicitor woman thinking giving evidence under oath that Maddie was abducted and then having to admit that her clients had told her that and that she herself had no evidence that it had taken place. How much are they paying her? They should sue her next for making their side look like plonkers imo. ha ha.
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Thanks for the update Tony. To me this sounds very positive in the long run. He has hinted quite noticeably that many of the issues you want to raise will become relevant as you will be able to argue the case to lift the undertakings. I get the feeling he is saying you will get this chance and that you should get this opportunity. This will be the mccanns worst nightmare scenario which I think he will give to you
Stay strong and keep positive....Don't forget the volume of people with you
Stay strong and keep positive....Don't forget the volume of people with you
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I thought that sounded very hopeful and I think Justice Tugendhat would be very interested to hear it too.Tony Bennett wrote:
The one ray of hope was that Mr Justice Tugendhat said that many of the issues I sought to raise would become relevant at a subsequent hearing at which I shall be applying to lift the stay on the libel proceedings
Personally I have a very good feeling about it all, even though you were restricted in what you could say in some matters you did manage to get quite a lot through too. I saw the reporters scribbling away like mad!
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