Re: "Childless Couple" theory takes lead in Maddie inquiry

by jeanmonroe 17.07.14 10:14

inspirespirit wrote:Surely they can't wind down this investigation without re-interviewing the Tapas lot and the Mccanns? Are they blind? What will be the point in the future of training Cadavour and blood dogs if they are not going to take their findings seriously? They are in affect dissing their own investigations. I thought, like others, that they were making sure they had left 'no stone unturned' so that it couldn't come back and bite them in the bum when they get down to the nitty gritty of re-interviewing the McCanns.

Imagine:

PJ 'shelving' (not CLOSING) second 'investigation' files, that by law, are released into public domain.

Pj file number XXXM.

"We asked our partnership colleagues, from the MET, for the T9 and JW to be re-interviewed and take part in a reconstruction of events"

"The MET said NO, as, in their opinion, there would be no benefit to the investigation to do either of those things"

by **PeterMac** 17.07.14 10:27

SO . . .
Was it the "Childless couple" themselves who did the abduction ?
If so, when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

OR
Was M stolen to order by smellybinman, tractorman, whitevan man, mopedman, Smithman, Tannerman, (oh sorry !) red T Shirt targetman, swarthy gypsy men,
and then sold, perhaps at a public auction round the well,
In which case
when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

And if either of the above is correct
What school is she attending, which doctor does she go to, which dentist, who are her little friends, who are her suspicious neighbours, where are the local police and social workers who notice the sudden appearance of a 3-4 year old in their midst, what does it say on her passport, what does it say on her - forged - birth certificate, what does it say on her - forged - adoption papers,

Just curious !

Oh, and by the way, where did the human cadaverine come from and why is the blue bag missing and whose was all that blood . . . ?

by nglfi 17.07.14 10:45

PeterMac wrote:SO . . .
Was it the "Childless couple" themselves who did the abduction ?
If so, when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

OR
Was M stolen to order by smellybinman, tractorman, whitevan man, mopedman, Smithman, Tannerman, (oh sorry !) red T Shirt targetman, swarthy gypsy men,
and then sold, perhaps at a public auction round the well,
In which case
when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

And if either of the above is correct
What school is she attending, which doctor does she go to, which dentist, who are her little friends, who are her suspicious neighbours, where are the local police and social workers who notice the sudden appearance of a 3-4 year old in their midst, what does it say on her passport, what does it say on her - forged - birth certificate, what does it say on her - forged - adoption papers,

Just curious !

Oh, and by the way, where did the human cadaverine come from and why is the blue bag missing and whose was all that blood . . . ?

Well you see what happened was, tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute, they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

by SuspiciousMinds 17.07.14 10:59

nglfi wrote:
Well you see what happened was, tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute, they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

By George, I think you've cracked it!

Although I think Mentally Ill Man might have tried to hide Dead Tramp Man in the wardrobe, the flowerbed and CuddleCat before finally deciding to put him behind the sofa. And then after picking it up he put the body in his freezer until a few weeks later when he saw a car boot lying open for hours on end and tried to hide the body in there. It didn't fit, so he chucked it down a well instead.

It fits! It all fits!

by Masterblaster 17.07.14 11:27

Mentally Ill Man (who was probably into Cross-Dressing and Homosexual Necrophilia) also attempted to dress Dead Tramp Man in KM's clothes !

Now the true picture is complete, send this to SY, case solved.

by Justformaddie 17.07.14 11:57

Brill, all sorted now! woohooo

by **Tony Bennett** 17.07.14 12:26

Issy wrote:MADDIE PROBE HALTED

BY DONAL MacINTYRE

The UK government is to call a halt to millions being spent on the Maddie McCann investigation

Who told him?

as the 30 officers have failed to deliver a single substantial piece of evidence over the last two years and after more than £10m.

Who told him?

The investigation has drawn a blank

Who told him?

despite a series of high profile announcements of imminent breakthroughs and extensive search around the Praia da Luz resort where the four year old went missing in 2007.

The UK government has directly financed the investigation from the Prime Minister's office but now it is under pressure to put the resources into the historic claims of a child sex abuse ring operating out of Westminster

Who told him?

which currently is under resourced and only has seven full time investigators from the Metropolitan Police on the case.

The public pressure on the explosive allegations that members of previous UK governments were involved in child sex rings and that their abuse was kept secret and investigations thwarted because of political connections has become the new priority,

Who told him?

casting the McCann investigation into the background.

Who told him?

'It is no longer sustainable for the open cheque book to be kept only for the Maddie investigation, not when there are many more victims and even murder inquiries wrapped up in the new scandal which needs a great deal of work', a Met Police insider

And who was that?

told the Sunday World.

The Maddie investigators had put a huge amount of diplomatic pressure on the Portuguese Police to allow new searches and access to the resort on the promise of fresh results, but having come up empty handed they understand that their time and resources on the case is coming to an end.

Who told him?

The officers came to Praia da Luz with five separate theories

Who told him? (Were these 5: Smelly bin-man, Burglars 1, 2 and 3, and 'Childless Couple'?)

and up to 10 suspects

What, 5 more? Who told him?

and they have left the scene none the wiser.

Local pressure from the businesses and tourist chief means that the Metropolitan Police will not be allowed to conduct more high profile searches because of the damage it has done to the local tourism interests.

Who told him?

'This was their last throw of the dice and it has now failed leaving the team with nowhere to go', a Met insider

The same 'Met insider'? NO DOUBT AUTHORISED TO SPEAK TO McINTYRE AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVEL.

Whitewash from Day One

told the Sunday World.

by Bishop Brennan 17.07.14 12:35

At least the printed article was written in English. The online article has a totally different 'feel' to it - the sentence structure is dreadful and the writer sprinkles commas around as though they were seasoning. The two articles were most definitely NOT written by the same person. So it does beg the question as to WHO wrote it, and WHY? It will be interesting to see if any other MSM outlets pick up the story or whether it's a planted spin that fails to take root.

by Guest 17.07.14 12:37

At some point I'm expecting "we did all we could but...".

by Benion 17.07.14 12:50

Why is it they are investigating EVERY POSSIBLE THEORY apart from the parents faking the abduction? Surely they should investigate this, if only to rule it out.

by nglfi 17.07.14 12:58

SuspiciousMinds wrote:
nglfi wrote:
Well you see what happened was, tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute, they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

By George, I think you've cracked it!

Although I think Mentally Ill Man might have tried to hide Dead Tramp Man in the wardrobe, the flowerbed and CuddleCat before finally deciding to put him behind the sofa. And then after picking it up he put the body in his freezer until a few weeks later when he saw a car boot lying open for hours on end and tried to hide the body in there. It didn't fit, so he chucked it down a well instead.

It fits! It all fits!

Ah yes, I forgot about the cadaver scent from the scenic, but you've provided a perfectly plausible explanation for that, which of course doesn't involve the parents in any way! laughat

by **Tony Bennett** 17.07.14 13:04

Benion wrote:Why is it they are investigating EVERY POSSIBLE THEORY apart from the parents faking the abduction? Surely they should investigate this, if only to rule it out.

Not for one moment, Benion, am I suggesting that the parents could have 'faked the abduction', but even if DCI Andy Redwood suspected that, he would simply not be allowed to pursue that line of enquiry - for the simple reason that he was already given this offical remit, by those higher up the food chain than him:

"TO INVESTIGATE THE ABDUCTION AS IF IT HAD HAPPENED IN BRITAIN".

DCI Andy Redwood knew exactly what he was getting into when he accepted this poisoned chalice.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he went on 30-plus trips to Portugal.

He knew exactly what he was doing when, at vast expense to the British taxpayer, and to the fury of the residents of Praia da Luz, he ordered for his use, as the tourist season was getting under way, a Mark III Alouette helicopter, and had dozens of men deployed searching for what turned out to be no more than a couple of rabbit bones (or something like that) on a patch of waste ground in Praia da Luz.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he pretended that the two e-fits he showed to 6.7 million people on CrimeWatch were drawn up by the Smiths - they simply could not have been - and so did all his accomplices in the BBC CrimeWatch Team.

I fervently hope that he receives all the appropriate rewards he is surely due to one day for all his efforts

by Bishop Brennan 17.07.14 13:12

Tony Bennett wrote:

I fervently hope that he receives all the appropriate rewards he is surely due to one day for all his efforts

Sir Andy of the sacred order of the sock?

For keeping his eyes open (all the time) but seeing absolutely nothing. Shocked

by Benion 17.07.14 13:13

Thank you Tony.

All I hope is one day the political wind changes and the case is investigated properly.

But as far as I can see the parents have got away with it. I just hope they do not pin this on some patsy just to give the British public closure

by Guest 17.07.14 13:14

I was about to suggest a knighthood. It certainly isn't unknown for people who've made the most appalling hash of something to be rewarded inappropriately.

by jeanmonroe 17.07.14 13:22

Will Jim G and MWT be 'arrested' as suspected paedophiles?

As 660 people have been 'arrested' and are described by all news outlets as 'paedophiles' for 'looking at' disgusting child abuse images, through various channels, so surely it must be that JG and MWT must also be 'arrested' because, by their own admissions THEY had also been 'looking at' disgusting child abuse 'images' almost daily, according to JG when at CEOP.

OR

is it the case that only SOME people are to be 'arrested', and not 'others', who 'look at' disgusting child abuse 'images'?

JG and MWT 'looking at', child abuse 'images'.....................NOT 'ARRESTED'

Other people 'looking at', child abuse 'images'....................'ARRESTED'

I didn't know that there is a 'law' in UK that states that ONLY 'priviliged' people CAN 'look at' disgusting child abuse 'images' possibly daily, without fear of arrest or prosecution, whilst EVERYONE, outside of the 'gang' can NOT 'look at' the SAME 'images' the 'priviliged' have had access to 'seeing'?

HOW do we know that JG and MWT know about all these vile child abuse 'images'?

BECAUSE, BY THEIR OWN ADMISSIONS, THEY HAD VIEWED AND SEEN THEM, FOR THEMSELVES, AND HAVE TOLD US!

JG and MWT are NOT part of ANY law enforcement agencies, yet admit, openly, that they have VIEWED disgusting child abuse 'images' and, as such, they have no legal RIGHT to be 'viewing' abuse 'images'. They are subject to the same laws as anyone else in this country and subject to the same consequences of their 'actions' as anyone else that breaks the law. By admitting they have 'viewed' abuse 'images', which they then proceed to tell us all about, they ARE breaking the law, according to the Police.

SO WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN INCLUDED AND ARRESTED, IN THIS LATEST POLICE OPERATION, TO ARREST 'PAEDOPHILES'?

Or is it 'allowed' that self appointed 'experts' CAN 'look at' child abuse 'images' with impunity?

They both HAVE to be 'arrested' too, don't they?

If not, WHY not?

by **Tony Bennett** 17.07.14 13:53

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I was about to suggest a knighthood. It certainly isn't unknown for people who've made the most appalling hash of something to be rewarded inappropriately.

Is DCI Redwood a Roman Catholic, like the McCanns?

If so, may I suggest a very special, unique honour for the favoured few, a Papal Knighthood!

As in, mentioning no names:

Sir Jimmy Saville

and

Rupert Murdoch

by jozi 17.07.14 15:09

nglfi wrote:
SuspiciousMinds wrote:
nglfi wrote:
Well you see what happened was, tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute, they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

By George, I think you've cracked it!

Although I think Mentally Ill Man might have tried to hide Dead Tramp Man in the wardrobe, the flowerbed and CuddleCat before finally deciding to put him behind the sofa. And then after picking it up he put the body in his freezer until a few weeks later when he saw a car boot lying open for hours on end and tried to hide the body in there. It didn't fit, so he chucked it down a well instead.

It fits! It all fits!
Ah yes, I forgot about the cadaver scent from the scenic, but you've provided a perfectly plausible explanation for that, which of course doesn't involve the parents in any way!

Be careful please don't give them any ideas because the ideas they've got up to now just don't work

by ShuBob 17.07.14 16:45

rainbow-fairy wrote:Written by Donal McIntyre - says it all, really

Exactly!

Usually, no matter how bonkers the headline/tagline of a McCann story is, I may read it in case hidden nuggets of information are contained within it. I confess I don't extend that to articles written by Donal McIntyre. The moment I see his name, I stop reading!

by Guest 17.07.14 20:16

Tony Bennett wrote:
If so, may I suggest a very special, unique honour for the favoured few, a Papal Knighthood!

I'm going to invent the Paypal Knighthood, Just send me five grand, by Paypal, and it's yours!

by kimHager 17.07.14 20:45

Kates childless pedo couple...was waiting on this rediculous theory...ok now lets have the met explain the dogs findings

by kimHager 17.07.14 20:55

Oh wait...and mentally ill man took white van mans van and put maddy and the pedo gypsies in it...then drove off to the hellish lair. I think petermac and nglfi have cracked the case. Any scenario is acceptable as long as it doesnt:
A. Involve mccanns
B. Involve any evidence
C.Involve any.tapas cohorts
D. Involve the truth

That is my opinion. Way to go!!!!
Btw..who cares if Maddy is found as long as TM's and their precious fund is protected at all costs seems to be the way this investigation is being treated. Sad

by LittleMissy 18.07.14 15:27

*aaarrrgggghhhhhhhh* Yep, as I read this flickering hopes of justice left the building Sad

by LittleMissy 18.07.14 15:32

Ffs. Are SY at any point going to look at the glaring discrepancies in the known participants of May 3rd 2007???? Instead of chasing various burglar types who apparently, instead of cash & passports, decided to leave valuables untouched, shimmy past cots & carry off a 3yr old ??? Farcical. Irrelevant also given findings of Eddie & Keela :/

by Bishop Brennan 18.07.14 17:36

LittleMissy wrote:Ffs. Are SY at any point going to look at the glaring discrepancies in the known participants of May 3rd 2007???? Instead of chasing various burglar types who apparently, instead of cash & passports, decided to leave valuables untouched, shimmy past cots & carry off a 3yr old ??? Farcical. Irrelevant also given findings of Eddie & Keela :/

You will note that after 3 years of work, by 38 detectives, working full-time, on a single case:

1. Eddie and Keela have never once been mentioned by SY or any of the media (in fact GM's bizarre outburst at the trial was the very first reference to them!)

2. The Paynes no longer even figure in the official reconstruction

3. The McCanns (latterly "Kate and Gerry")are being kept fully updated by SY at every stage

4. There is no indication that ANY of the T9 have been approached to explain anything, far less been questioned as suspects

It seems not unreasonable to assume that if they haven't done it in 3 years, they won't start now. There is pressure on manpower, pressure on the £10m no-results budget, and AR's retirement date looming large.

Unless you believe in miracles or fairy-tale endings, I fear we are simply awaiting the fat lady's first song (no offence Big Phil)