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Post by Bishop Brennan on 16.07.14 23:34

Just when you thought it could not get any more ridiculous, along comes an article like this:



http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/childless-couple-theory-takes-lead-in-maddie-inquiry


'Childless couple' theory takes lead in Maddie inquiry but resources under threat from Westminster 'Abuse' investigation


● CRIME WORLD.  By Donal MacIntyre



Maddie as she would look today as the 'childless couple' theory takes centre stage in investigation.

Maddie was snatched to satisfy a childless couple one of the lead theories being investigated by Met Police officers in Portugal suggests but the resources dedicated to the search for the missing four year old are likely to crash, as the Westminster 'abuse' investigation takes precedence.


The theory was raised by a number of years ago but now is back in vogue among the officers.
It is also, the one which the McCann’s cling to, as it offers Maddie if she is alive, the safest possible predicament.

The Sunday World reported this before but the relevance of this theory has intensified as their investigation in Portugal enters a new phase. Despite this direction there has been no breakthroughs of any significance in the case, as experienced investigators outside of the inquiry, expected.

With the trail so cold and the case so public, it is highly unlikely that any abductor, however amateur, would not clear up any residual evidence that might link him or her to the crime.

The Scotland Yard team remains in place with 30 officers and an open cheque book, but with such resources in place for a cold case investigation in a foreign country, and only 7 officers are working on the historical abuse allegations involving hundreds of children and ten and tens of abusers around high society and political circles in Westminster, that situation is unlikely to last.

Simply one cannot compare the cases but you can compare the resources and it is too disproportionate to sustain itself now that the Westminster historical allegations, have taken off.

Although centered around the Houses of Parliament, it is shortly to hit the elite in Scottish judicial and political circles as a ex-senior Police officer is due to go public on concerns that dramatic and explosive allegations he found in one house search was sidelined. 

It is also likely that Northern Ireland’s Kincora Boys’ Home scandal will be drawn into the public arena again as the allegations of an establishment cover-up in similar cases gain credence.

After one inquiry failed because of poor cooperation from the RUC, another in 1985 dismissed the main allegations of a sex ring operating there for the rich and powerful in Belfast business and public elite.

Three members of the home were prosecuted for abuse at the home but the wide ranging allegations were dismissed by the private inquiry run by the Northern Ireland office and the then Northern Ireland Minister James Prior.

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 16.07.14 23:39

Only thing I would point out is that the grammar of this article is truly dreadful.  It's hard to imagine that a genuine journalist could have written such a piece.  It reads like an automated translation or the work of a non-native speaker.

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Post by Naz_Nomad on 16.07.14 23:47

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 17.07.14 0:05

Written by Donal McIntyre - says it all, really nah

Its just a nonsense. SY digging holes looking for a body, yet 'taken by a childless couple' (obviously moneyed if they can pay an organised gang) is still on the table? Doesn't stand up to scrutiny -

Childless couples adopt (legally).
If that fails, they may adopt less legally - many foreign orphanages are only too happy to help.
They may consider paying a surrogate.

What childless couples wouldn't want would be a child stolen from a holiday complex!

What would be the point? A much-wanted child that you could take nowhere, do nothing with, no holidays, no day trips, not send to school, not visit doctors for fear of discovery. Tosh!!!

Children snatched by childless or bereaved women are invariably newborns, and they are invariably caught.

Does anyone know of any cases of 4 year olds snatched for this purpose?

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Post by maebee on 17.07.14 0:19

. wrote:e="."]="Bishop Brennan"]Just when you thought it could not get any more ridiculous, along comes an article like this:



http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/childless-couple-theory-takes-lead-in-maddie-inquiry


'Childless couple' theory takes lead in Maddie inquiry but resources under threat from Westminster 'Abuse' investigation


● CRIME WORLD.  By Donal MacIntyre



Maddie as she would look today as the 'childless couple' theory takes centre stage in investigation.

Maddie was snatched to satisfy a childless couple one of the lead theories being investigated by Met Police officers in Portugal suggests but the resources dedicated to the search for the missing four year old are likely to crash, as the Westminster 'abuse' investigation takes precedence.


The theory was raised by a number of years ago but now is back in vogue among the officers.
It is also, the one which the McCann’s cling to, as it offers Maddie if she is alive, the safest possible predicament.

The Sunday World reported this before but the relevance of this theory has intensified as their investigation in Portugal enters a new phase. Despite this direction there has been no breakthroughs of any significance in the case, as experienced investigators outside of the inquiry, expected.

With the trail so cold and the case so public, it is highly unlikely that any abductor, however amateur, would not clear up any residual evidence that might link him or her to the crime.

The Scotland Yard team remains in place with 30 officers and an open cheque book, but with such resources in place for a cold case investigation in a foreign country, and only 7 officers are working on the historical abuse allegations involving hundreds of children and ten and tens of abusers around high society and political circles in Westminster, that situation is unlikely to last.

Simply one cannot compare the cases but you can compare the resources and it is too disproportionate to sustain itself now that the Westminster historical allegations, have taken off.

Although centered around the Houses of Parliament, it is shortly to hit the elite in Scottish judicial and political circles as a ex-senior Police officer is due to go public on concerns that dramatic and explosive allegations he found in one house search was sidelined. 

It is also likely that Northern Ireland’s Kincora Boys’ Home scandal will be drawn into the public arena again as the allegations of an establishment cover-up in similar cases gain credence.

After one inquiry failed because of poor cooperation from the RUC, another in 1985 dismissed the main allegations of a sex ring operating there for the rich and powerful in Belfast business and public elite
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When I see the likes of "Maddie was snatched" I tend not to read any further but couldn't help myself on this occasion. Glad I did. D.Mac is definitely taking the p here: " It is highly unlikely that any abductor, however amateur, would not clear up any residual evidence that might link him or her to the crime"

Is DM playing a game? As the Bishop says, the grammar is atrocious, ie: "Simply one cannot compare the cases but you can compare the resources and it is too disproportionate to sustain itself now that the Westminster historical allegations, have taken off".

Anybody got any idea what that's about?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.07.14 1:16

Plan A: Smelly bin-man

Plan B: Burglar No. 1

Plan C: Burglar No. 2

Plan D: Burglar No. 3

Plan E: Childless couple

Plan F: Put Donal McIntyre on the case. Or Mark Williams-Thomas

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Post by Okeydokey on 17.07.14 1:48

"The Scotland Yard team remains in place with 30 officers and an open cheque book, but with such resources in place for a cold case investigation in a foreign country, and only 7 officers are working on the historical abuse allegations involving hundreds of children and ten and tens of abusers around high society and political circles in Westminster, that situation is unlikely to last."

This looks like a dry run for a possible wind down of the inquiry as predicted by Tony. This will be the moral justification - "we tried - we gave it our best shot - but our people are needed on other pressing inquiries." When they didn't even re-interview the Tapas 9!!!


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Post by Baldrick on 17.07.14 6:56

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Post by bubblewrap on 17.07.14 7:04

Have no fear....Donal just has a very over imaginative mind

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddie-donal-macintyre-investigates-baffling-cold-case
Fooking idiot

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Post by bubblewrap on 17.07.14 7:15

Just to add, himself and Jeremy Wilkins worked on Britains toughest together in 2005

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Post by joel27 on 17.07.14 7:26

Pretty sure I mentioned this when talking about the things that the McCanns are saying in public. The use of she/he they there appears to be a change in emphasis again to a couple one female. This did get me to speculate that the couple who it was alledged settled MBM down the night that she ws crying are about to comeback into the frame. However where did that story come from ? It was not the McCanns from what I have seen.

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Post by Baldrick on 17.07.14 7:42

@bubblewrap wrote:Just to add, himself and Jeremy Wilkins worked on Britains toughest together in 2005

That would make sense. It is such a small world

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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.07.14 7:54

@Okeydokey wrote:"The Scotland Yard team remains in place with 30 officers and an open cheque book, but with such resources in place for a cold case investigation in a foreign country, and only 7 officers are working on the historical abuse allegations involving hundreds of children and ten and tens of abusers around high society and political circles in Westminster, that situation is unlikely to last."

This looks like a dry run for a possible wind down of the inquiry as predicted by Tony.  This will be the moral justification - "We tried - we gave it our best shot - but our people are needed on other pressing inquiries."  When they didn't even re-interview the Tapas 9!!!
Yes, and I predicted that the wind-down will be announced in or before February - because that will be three months before the General Election, and I think Cameron (and not a few other people) will want the case 'resolved' (in a manner of speaking) and out of the way by then.

Questions about the cost of Grange and its obvious failure so far are beginning to mount...

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Post by Guest on 17.07.14 8:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwzIxpQgfs

A reminder of Donal at his best.

Depending on my mood, it either has me falling about laughing or banging my head on the wall!

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Post by nglfi on 17.07.14 8:23

Whilst the article is clearly rubbish,  it's interesting that it is comprised of two overall themes,  suggesting they are linked somehow - the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance,  and the recent child sex abuse scandals. Why would resources for Madeleine be taken to fund that, unless they are being investigated in the same category by police.  For example, you'd never see an article saying 'Maddie funds diverted to investigate FGM and forced marriage among ethnic minorities'. If we're going to say this article could be preparing the ground to say 'we tried but now the money's run out', it could entirely equally be preparing the ground to say her disappearance is linked to child abuse (which all IMO I believe is the reason the body had to disappear).
Either way, as has been mentioned it is written atrociously and contains nothing plausible that I can see. Why take a child with such a distinctive coloboma, and why break in to take the oldest of three children? And even if this did happen she'd still be dead because the McCanns refused to listen to the Portuguese police and publicised her coloboma so heavily, they literally prevented her from being kept alive (not that she wasn't clearly dead when she left the apartment,  HELLO cadaver and blood dogs!!!!)

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Post by Issy on 17.07.14 9:25

Funnily enough my husband brought home a copy of the Sunday World this morning (he works nights and he brings home newspapers the day shift have been reading; we use them to line cat litter trays - how suitable!). This copy is dated 13 July and has the following article which is similar to the one on the SW website at the moment, but with absolutely no mention of the 'childless couple' theory.


MADDIE PROBE HALTED

BY DONAL MacINTYRE

The UK government is to call a halt to millions being spent on the Maddie McCann investigation as the 30 officers have failed to deliver a single substantial piece of evidence over the last two years and after more than £10m.

The investigation has drawn a blank despite a series of high profile announcements of imminent breakthroughs and extensive search around the Praia da Luz resort where the four year old went missing in 2007. 

The UK government has directly financed the investigation from the Prime Minister's office but now it is under pressure to put the resources into the historic claims of a child sex abuse ring operating out of Westminster which currently is under resourced and only has seven full time investigators from the Metropolitan  Police on the case.

The public pressure on the explosive allegations that members of previous UK governments were involved in child sex rings and that their abuse was kept secret and investigations thwarted because of political connections has become the new priority, casting the McCann investigation into the background.

'It is no longer sustainable for the open cheque book to be kept only for the Maddie investigation, not when there are many more victims and even murder inquiries wrapped up in the new scandal which needs a great deal of work', a Met Police insider told the Sunday World.

The Maddie investigators had put a huge amount of diplomatic pressure on the Portuguese Police to allow new searches and access to the resort on the promise of fresh results, but having come up empty handed they understand that their time and resources on the case is coming to an end.

The officers came to Praia da Luz with five separate theories and up to 10 suspects and they have left the scene none the wiser.

Local pressure from the businesses and tourist chief means that the Metropolitan Police will not be allowed to conduct more high profile searches because of the damage it has done to the local tourism interests.

'This was their last throw of the dice and it has now failed leaving the team with nowhere to go', a Met insider told the Sunday World.


A definite difference in tone, IMO, from the article on the Sunday World website. Did somebody read the original article in the paper and make sure it was changed to bring in the 'childless couple' suggestion?

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Post by inspirespirit on 17.07.14 9:49

Surely they can't wind down this investigation without re-interviewing the Tapas lot and the Mccanns?  Are they blind?   What will be the point in the future of training Cadavour and blood dogs if they are not going to take their findings seriously?  They are in affect dissing their own investigations.    I thought, like others, that they were making sure they had left 'no stone unturned' so that it couldn't come back and bite them in the bum when they get down to the nitty gritty of re-interviewing the McCanns.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.07.14 9:57

Big thanks to Issy................. roses roses airkiss 

Reckon our 'Donut' had eaten one too many pork pies when he wrote his article(s).

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Post by Guest on 17.07.14 9:59

Like Kate, he tells his own "account of the truth".........

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Post by jeanmonroe on 17.07.14 10:14

@inspirespirit wrote:Surely they can't wind down this investigation without re-interviewing the Tapas lot and the Mccanns?  Are they blind?   What will be the point in the future of training Cadavour and blood dogs if they are not going to take their findings seriously?  They are in affect dissing their own investigations.    I thought, like others, that they were making sure they had left 'no stone unturned' so that it couldn't come back and bite them in the bum when they get down to the nitty gritty of re-interviewing the McCanns.

Imagine:

PJ 'shelving' (not CLOSING) second 'investigation' files, that by law, are released into public domain.

Pj file number XXXM.

"We asked our partnership colleagues, from the MET, for the T9 and JW to be re-interviewed and take part in a reconstruction of events"

"The MET said NO, as, in their opinion, there would be no benefit to the investigation to do either of those things"

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Post by PeterMac on 17.07.14 10:27

SO . . .
Was it the "Childless couple" themselves who did the abduction ?
If so, when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out,  and so on ?

OR
Was M stolen to order by smellybinman, tractorman, whitevan man, mopedman, Smithman, Tannerman, (oh sorry !) red T Shirt targetman, swarthy gypsy men,
and then sold, perhaps at a public auction round the well,
In which case
when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out,  and so on ?

And if either of the above is correct
What school is she attending, which doctor does she go to, which dentist, who are her little friends, who are her suspicious neighbours, where are the local police and social workers who notice the sudden appearance of a 3-4 year old in their midst, what does it say on her passport, what does it say on her - forged - birth certificate, what does it say on her - forged - adoption papers,

Just curious !

Oh, and by the way, where did the human cadaverine come from and why is the blue bag missing and whose was all that blood . . . ?

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Post by nglfi on 17.07.14 10:45

@PeterMac wrote:SO . . .
Was it the "Childless couple" themselves who did the abduction ?
If so, when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out,  and so on ?

OR
Was M stolen to order by smellybinman, tractorman, whitevan man, mopedman, Smithman, Tannerman, (oh sorry !) red T Shirt targetman, swarthy gypsy men,
and then sold, perhaps at a public auction round the well,
In which case
when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out,  and so on ?

And if either of the above is correct
What school is she attending, which doctor does she go to, which dentist, who are her little friends, who are her suspicious neighbours, where are the local police and social workers who notice the sudden appearance of a 3-4 year old in their midst, what does it say on her passport, what does it say on her - forged - birth certificate, what does it say on her - forged - adoption papers,

Just curious !

Oh, and by the way, where did the human cadaverine come from and why is the blue bag missing and whose was all that blood . . . ?
Well you see what happened was,  tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute,  they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

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Post by SuspiciousMinds on 17.07.14 10:59

@nglfi wrote:
Well you see what happened was,  tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute,  they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.
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Although I think Mentally Ill Man might have tried to hide Dead Tramp Man in the wardrobe, the flowerbed and CuddleCat before finally deciding to put him behind the sofa. And then after picking it up he put the body in his freezer until a few weeks later when he saw a car boot lying open for hours on end and tried to hide the body in there. It didn't fit, so he chucked it down a well instead.

It fits! It all fits!

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Post by Masterblaster on 17.07.14 11:27

Mentally Ill Man (who was probably into Cross-Dressing and Homosexual Necrophilia) also attempted to dress Dead Tramp Man in KM's clothes !

Now the true picture is complete, send this to SY, case solved.

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