Re: "Childless Couple" theory takes lead in Maddie inquiry

by bubblewrap 17.07.14 7:15

Just to add, himself and Jeremy Wilkins worked on Britains toughest together in 2005

by joel27 17.07.14 7:26

Pretty sure I mentioned this when talking about the things that the McCanns are saying in public. The use of she/he they there appears to be a change in emphasis again to a couple one female. This did get me to speculate that the couple who it was alledged settled MBM down the night that she ws crying are about to comeback into the frame. However where did that story come from ? It was not the McCanns from what I have seen.

by Baldrick 17.07.14 7:42

bubblewrap wrote:Just to add, himself and Jeremy Wilkins worked on Britains toughest together in 2005

That would make sense. It is such a small world

by **Tony Bennett** 17.07.14 7:54

Okeydokey wrote:"The Scotland Yard team remains in place with 30 officers and an open cheque book, but with such resources in place for a cold case investigation in a foreign country, and only 7 officers are working on the historical abuse allegations involving hundreds of children and ten and tens of abusers around high society and political circles in Westminster, that situation is unlikely to last."

This looks like a dry run for a possible wind down of the inquiry as predicted by Tony. This will be the moral justification - "We tried - we gave it our best shot - but our people are needed on other pressing inquiries." When they didn't even re-interview the Tapas 9!!!

Yes, and I predicted that the wind-down will be announced in or before February - because that will be three months before the General Election, and I think Cameron (and not a few other people) will want the case 'resolved' (in a manner of speaking) and out of the way by then.

Questions about the cost of Grange and its obvious failure so far are beginning to mount...

by Guest 17.07.14 8:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwzIxpQgfs

A reminder of Donal at his best.

Depending on my mood, it either has me falling about laughing or banging my head on the wall!

by nglfi 17.07.14 8:23

Whilst the article is clearly rubbish, it's interesting that it is comprised of two overall themes, suggesting they are linked somehow - the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, and the recent child sex abuse scandals. Why would resources for Madeleine be taken to fund that, unless they are being investigated in the same category by police. For example, you'd never see an article saying 'Maddie funds diverted to investigate FGM and forced marriage among ethnic minorities'. If we're going to say this article could be preparing the ground to say 'we tried but now the money's run out', it could entirely equally be preparing the ground to say her disappearance is linked to child abuse (which all IMO I believe is the reason the body had to disappear).
Either way, as has been mentioned it is written atrociously and contains nothing plausible that I can see. Why take a child with such a distinctive coloboma, and why break in to take the oldest of three children? And even if this did happen she'd still be dead because the McCanns refused to listen to the Portuguese police and publicised her coloboma so heavily, they literally prevented her from being kept alive (not that she wasn't clearly dead when she left the apartment, HELLO cadaver and blood dogs!!!!)

by Issy 17.07.14 9:25

Funnily enough my husband brought home a copy of the Sunday World this morning (he works nights and he brings home newspapers the day shift have been reading; we use them to line cat litter trays - how suitable!). This copy is dated 13 July and has the following article which is similar to the one on the SW website at the moment, but with absolutely no mention of the 'childless couple' theory.

MADDIE PROBE HALTED

BY DONAL MacINTYRE

The UK government is to call a halt to millions being spent on the Maddie McCann investigation as the 30 officers have failed to deliver a single substantial piece of evidence over the last two years and after more than £10m.

The investigation has drawn a blank despite a series of high profile announcements of imminent breakthroughs and extensive search around the Praia da Luz resort where the four year old went missing in 2007.

The UK government has directly financed the investigation from the Prime Minister's office but now it is under pressure to put the resources into the historic claims of a child sex abuse ring operating out of Westminster which currently is under resourced and only has seven full time investigators from the Metropolitan Police on the case.

The public pressure on the explosive allegations that members of previous UK governments were involved in child sex rings and that their abuse was kept secret and investigations thwarted because of political connections has become the new priority, casting the McCann investigation into the background.

'It is no longer sustainable for the open cheque book to be kept only for the Maddie investigation, not when there are many more victims and even murder inquiries wrapped up in the new scandal which needs a great deal of work', a Met Police insider told the Sunday World.

The Maddie investigators had put a huge amount of diplomatic pressure on the Portuguese Police to allow new searches and access to the resort on the promise of fresh results, but having come up empty handed they understand that their time and resources on the case is coming to an end.

The officers came to Praia da Luz with five separate theories and up to 10 suspects and they have left the scene none the wiser.

Local pressure from the businesses and tourist chief means that the Metropolitan Police will not be allowed to conduct more high profile searches because of the damage it has done to the local tourism interests.

'This was their last throw of the dice and it has now failed leaving the team with nowhere to go', a Met insider told the Sunday World.

A definite difference in tone, IMO, from the article on the Sunday World website. Did somebody read the original article in the paper and make sure it was changed to bring in the 'childless couple' suggestion?

by inspirespirit 17.07.14 9:49

Surely they can't wind down this investigation without re-interviewing the Tapas lot and the Mccanns? Are they blind? What will be the point in the future of training Cadavour and blood dogs if they are not going to take their findings seriously? They are in affect dissing their own investigations. I thought, like others, that they were making sure they had left 'no stone unturned' so that it couldn't come back and bite them in the bum when they get down to the nitty gritty of re-interviewing the McCanns.

by jeanmonroe 17.07.14 9:57

Big thanks to Issy................. roses

Reckon our 'Donut' had eaten one too many pork pies when he wrote his article(s).

by Guest 17.07.14 9:59

Like Kate, he tells his own "account of the truth".........

by jeanmonroe 17.07.14 10:14

inspirespirit wrote:Surely they can't wind down this investigation without re-interviewing the Tapas lot and the Mccanns? Are they blind? What will be the point in the future of training Cadavour and blood dogs if they are not going to take their findings seriously? They are in affect dissing their own investigations. I thought, like others, that they were making sure they had left 'no stone unturned' so that it couldn't come back and bite them in the bum when they get down to the nitty gritty of re-interviewing the McCanns.

Imagine:

PJ 'shelving' (not CLOSING) second 'investigation' files, that by law, are released into public domain.

Pj file number XXXM.

"We asked our partnership colleagues, from the MET, for the T9 and JW to be re-interviewed and take part in a reconstruction of events"

"The MET said NO, as, in their opinion, there would be no benefit to the investigation to do either of those things"

by **PeterMac** 17.07.14 10:27

SO . . .
Was it the "Childless couple" themselves who did the abduction ?
If so, when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

OR
Was M stolen to order by smellybinman, tractorman, whitevan man, mopedman, Smithman, Tannerman, (oh sorry !) red T Shirt targetman, swarthy gypsy men,
and then sold, perhaps at a public auction round the well,
In which case
when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

And if either of the above is correct
What school is she attending, which doctor does she go to, which dentist, who are her little friends, who are her suspicious neighbours, where are the local police and social workers who notice the sudden appearance of a 3-4 year old in their midst, what does it say on her passport, what does it say on her - forged - birth certificate, what does it say on her - forged - adoption papers,

Just curious !

Oh, and by the way, where did the human cadaverine come from and why is the blue bag missing and whose was all that blood . . . ?

by nglfi 17.07.14 10:45

PeterMac wrote:SO . . .
Was it the "Childless couple" themselves who did the abduction ?
If so, when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

OR
Was M stolen to order by smellybinman, tractorman, whitevan man, mopedman, Smithman, Tannerman, (oh sorry !) red T Shirt targetman, swarthy gypsy men,
and then sold, perhaps at a public auction round the well,
In which case
when and how ?
What did they use to sedate all three children, how did they get in, how did they get out, and so on ?

And if either of the above is correct
What school is she attending, which doctor does she go to, which dentist, who are her little friends, who are her suspicious neighbours, where are the local police and social workers who notice the sudden appearance of a 3-4 year old in their midst, what does it say on her passport, what does it say on her - forged - birth certificate, what does it say on her - forged - adoption papers,

Just curious !

Oh, and by the way, where did the human cadaverine come from and why is the blue bag missing and whose was all that blood . . . ?

Well you see what happened was, tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute, they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

by SuspiciousMinds 17.07.14 10:59

nglfi wrote:
Well you see what happened was, tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute, they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

By George, I think you've cracked it!

Although I think Mentally Ill Man might have tried to hide Dead Tramp Man in the wardrobe, the flowerbed and CuddleCat before finally deciding to put him behind the sofa. And then after picking it up he put the body in his freezer until a few weeks later when he saw a car boot lying open for hours on end and tried to hide the body in there. It didn't fit, so he chucked it down a well instead.

It fits! It all fits!

by Masterblaster 17.07.14 11:27

Mentally Ill Man (who was probably into Cross-Dressing and Homosexual Necrophilia) also attempted to dress Dead Tramp Man in KM's clothes !

Now the true picture is complete, send this to SY, case solved.

by Justformaddie 17.07.14 11:57

Brill, all sorted now! woohooo

by **Tony Bennett** 17.07.14 12:26

Issy wrote:MADDIE PROBE HALTED

BY DONAL MacINTYRE

The UK government is to call a halt to millions being spent on the Maddie McCann investigation

Who told him?

as the 30 officers have failed to deliver a single substantial piece of evidence over the last two years and after more than £10m.

Who told him?

The investigation has drawn a blank

Who told him?

despite a series of high profile announcements of imminent breakthroughs and extensive search around the Praia da Luz resort where the four year old went missing in 2007.

The UK government has directly financed the investigation from the Prime Minister's office but now it is under pressure to put the resources into the historic claims of a child sex abuse ring operating out of Westminster

Who told him?

which currently is under resourced and only has seven full time investigators from the Metropolitan Police on the case.

The public pressure on the explosive allegations that members of previous UK governments were involved in child sex rings and that their abuse was kept secret and investigations thwarted because of political connections has become the new priority,

Who told him?

casting the McCann investigation into the background.

Who told him?

'It is no longer sustainable for the open cheque book to be kept only for the Maddie investigation, not when there are many more victims and even murder inquiries wrapped up in the new scandal which needs a great deal of work', a Met Police insider

And who was that?

told the Sunday World.

The Maddie investigators had put a huge amount of diplomatic pressure on the Portuguese Police to allow new searches and access to the resort on the promise of fresh results, but having come up empty handed they understand that their time and resources on the case is coming to an end.

Who told him?

The officers came to Praia da Luz with five separate theories

Who told him? (Were these 5: Smelly bin-man, Burglars 1, 2 and 3, and 'Childless Couple'?)

and up to 10 suspects

What, 5 more? Who told him?

and they have left the scene none the wiser.

Local pressure from the businesses and tourist chief means that the Metropolitan Police will not be allowed to conduct more high profile searches because of the damage it has done to the local tourism interests.

Who told him?

'This was their last throw of the dice and it has now failed leaving the team with nowhere to go', a Met insider

The same 'Met insider'? NO DOUBT AUTHORISED TO SPEAK TO McINTYRE AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVEL.

Whitewash from Day One

told the Sunday World.

by Bishop Brennan 17.07.14 12:35

At least the printed article was written in English. The online article has a totally different 'feel' to it - the sentence structure is dreadful and the writer sprinkles commas around as though they were seasoning. The two articles were most definitely NOT written by the same person. So it does beg the question as to WHO wrote it, and WHY? It will be interesting to see if any other MSM outlets pick up the story or whether it's a planted spin that fails to take root.

by Guest 17.07.14 12:37

At some point I'm expecting "we did all we could but...".

by Benion 17.07.14 12:50

Why is it they are investigating EVERY POSSIBLE THEORY apart from the parents faking the abduction? Surely they should investigate this, if only to rule it out.

by nglfi 17.07.14 12:58

SuspiciousMinds wrote:
nglfi wrote:
Well you see what happened was, tramp man and mentally ill man were watching the McCanns all day on the 3rd, and texting each other to update with what they saw. Then, when a 4 or 5 minute window of opportunity presented itself, instead of worrying that someone might disturb them at any minute, they decided to walk into the apartment and take the oldest child, the one that was most likely to wake up and make a fuss. They were very clever and left no DNA traces, but unfortunately what happened was when they broke in, tramp man had a heart attack and died. Mentally ill man then decided the best thing to do was to run away with Maddie, which he did. The MCs then continued to check without noticing both that Maddie had gone and that there was a dead old man in the corner. Then, around an hour later, realising his mistake, mentally ill man came back with ocean club driver man and the van, to pick up now dead tramp man. Hence the cadaver odour. Oh and the blood traces are explained by Gerry's massive nosebleed the day before. Instead of rushing to the sink he decided to crouch behind the sofa and make the curtains messy.

By George, I think you've cracked it!

Although I think Mentally Ill Man might have tried to hide Dead Tramp Man in the wardrobe, the flowerbed and CuddleCat before finally deciding to put him behind the sofa. And then after picking it up he put the body in his freezer until a few weeks later when he saw a car boot lying open for hours on end and tried to hide the body in there. It didn't fit, so he chucked it down a well instead.

It fits! It all fits!

Ah yes, I forgot about the cadaver scent from the scenic, but you've provided a perfectly plausible explanation for that, which of course doesn't involve the parents in any way! laughat

by **Tony Bennett** 17.07.14 13:04

Benion wrote:Why is it they are investigating EVERY POSSIBLE THEORY apart from the parents faking the abduction? Surely they should investigate this, if only to rule it out.

Not for one moment, Benion, am I suggesting that the parents could have 'faked the abduction', but even if DCI Andy Redwood suspected that, he would simply not be allowed to pursue that line of enquiry - for the simple reason that he was already given this offical remit, by those higher up the food chain than him:

"TO INVESTIGATE THE ABDUCTION AS IF IT HAD HAPPENED IN BRITAIN".

DCI Andy Redwood knew exactly what he was getting into when he accepted this poisoned chalice.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he went on 30-plus trips to Portugal.

He knew exactly what he was doing when, at vast expense to the British taxpayer, and to the fury of the residents of Praia da Luz, he ordered for his use, as the tourist season was getting under way, a Mark III Alouette helicopter, and had dozens of men deployed searching for what turned out to be no more than a couple of rabbit bones (or something like that) on a patch of waste ground in Praia da Luz.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he pretended that the two e-fits he showed to 6.7 million people on CrimeWatch were drawn up by the Smiths - they simply could not have been - and so did all his accomplices in the BBC CrimeWatch Team.

I fervently hope that he receives all the appropriate rewards he is surely due to one day for all his efforts

by Bishop Brennan 17.07.14 13:12

Tony Bennett wrote:

I fervently hope that he receives all the appropriate rewards he is surely due to one day for all his efforts

Sir Andy of the sacred order of the sock?

For keeping his eyes open (all the time) but seeing absolutely nothing. Shocked

by Benion 17.07.14 13:13

Thank you Tony.

All I hope is one day the political wind changes and the case is investigated properly.

But as far as I can see the parents have got away with it. I just hope they do not pin this on some patsy just to give the British public closure

by Guest 17.07.14 13:14

I was about to suggest a knighthood. It certainly isn't unknown for people who've made the most appalling hash of something to be rewarded inappropriately.