Re: LAST DAY OF LIBEL TRIAL 8th July 2014 DISCUSSION AND NEWS

by sallypelt 09.07.14 14:35

Take notice of the date of this article:

Gag bars McCanns from answering new Madeleine body dumping claim

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By VANESSA ALLEN - Last updated at 10:05am on 29th September 2007

•Portuguese papers claim Kate McCann killed Madeleine while Gerry played tennis

•Couple ‘then hid the child’s body in a fridge and later disposed of it in Spain’

•McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the reports were ‘utterly ludicrous’

Police in Portugal believe Kate McCann killed her daughter Madeleine in a 90-minute “gap” while her husband played tennis, it has been claimed.

Detectives think the child’s body was stored in a fridge and moved to “various locations” around the family’s holiday resort of Praia da Luz before it was placed in the boot of her parents’ hire car and dumped, sources told a Portuguese newspaper
Kate and Gerry McCann while in Spain this August. The Portuguese media claims they dumped Madeleine’s body while there

The latest lurid allegations were dismissed as “ludicrous” by the McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell, who said they caused “real pain and hurt” to the four-year-old’s parents.

After months of rumours from inside the police investigation, Mr Mitchell said: “It’s just utterly ridiculous allegation after allegation. Surely it is time for this to stop. It’s ludicrous.”

Madeleine’s parents are unable to answer the claims, however, because they are under threat of a 12-month jail sentence if they speak publicly about their daughter, it has been claimed.

Friends said the couple have had to turn down scores of interview requests from around the world, including one from legendary U.S. broadcaster Barbara Walters, since they were made official suspects on September 7.

Under Portuguese laws, they could face criminal charges or even a prison sentence if they speak out.
Yesterday the Portuguese paper Diario de Noticias said detectives think Madeleine died between 7pm and 8.30pm on May 3.

David Payne, a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann, said he saw Mrs McCann put their three children to bed at about 7pm, and the couple joined friends for dinner at about 8.30pm.

A police source told the paper that Mr McCann was seen playing tennis during the 90-minute “gap” before Mrs McCann was seen again, meaning she was alone with Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

But friends insisted the couple had both played tennis, then put the children to bed together before joining their friends for dinner.
A gag order is preventing Kate McCann from talking to journalists like Barbara Walters

Police are convinced that Madeleine died by accident at the hands of her mother, and that Mr McCann helped to cover up the death.

The source said they believed the child’s body “passed through various-locations” before it was put in the boot of the Renault Scenic hired three weeks after Madeleine vanished. Police are “carrying out non-visible operations and locating apartments with fridges”, the source said.

A family friend ridiculed the suggestion that Madeleine’s body could have been stored in a fridge, saying: “Have you seen the size of the fridges in those apartments? Of course they did not stuff her in a fridge.”

Any search of the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz would be certain to include the apartments where the family’s friends stayed during the holiday.

Police are desperate to break a perceived “pact of silence” between the friends, and have made a series of slurs against them and the McCanns in a bid to panic them into speaking out.

On Wednesday police sources briefed Portuguese journalists that their counterparts in Spain were investigating a “suspicious” trip to Huelva by the McCanns – a claim which was denied outright as “totally false” by Spanish authorities yesterday.

The denial adds weight to the McCanns’ belief that they are victims of a smear campaign fuelled by the Portuguese police.

The McCanns, both 39, are preparing for another painful milestone tomorrow, which will be the 150th day since Madeleine disappeared.

But the couple secured a victory yesterday when Portugal said it would push for the creation of an EU-wide alert system for missing children.
END

So, as we can see, the McCann's claim that it was Dr Amaral's book that did the damage. POPPYCOCK. The claims that they the hid body and placed it in a freezer was reported in SEPTEMBER 2007 in a BRITISH NEWSPAPER.

by Praiaaa 09.07.14 14:53

Sally - well found! clapping

by jeanmonroe 09.07.14 14:59

GA 'mistaken or Genius'?

I don't know whether GA not 'speaking, giving a statement' yesterday was a 'mistake' or planned absolutely on purpose.

What i do know is that GA wasn't able to be 'questioned' by ID or the Judge, UNLIKE the egotists (we DEMAND to be heard) McCanns.

And we all 'heard' how WELL that went for them, don't we?

Even though the er, umm, 'bad bits' of the McCann's 'evidence' (Judge telling GM to be quiet and asking if he IS the expert on EVRD dogs) has almost totally gone, actually TOTALLY, not almost gone, 'unreported' in the UK Madia.

Probably the UK Madia think NOBODY 'knows' what happened in court yesterday, except them.

Memo to sychophantic UK McCann Madia: WE KNOW!

Anyway,

GA 'mistaken or GENIUS'?

YOU decide!

by canada12 09.07.14 15:02

Well, the McCanns (through ID and the judge) were unable to ask GA any questions about anything to do with the case, so I'd have to say that it was a good decision by GA not to appeal the process from that point of view.

by Sceptic 09.07.14 15:04

Surely there is a legal point that, whatever distress sean has suffered from hearing that mr amaral had said they had hid madeleine
was caused by the Mccanns taking legal action against mr amaral - If they hadn't the alleged statement would never have been made on a british radio station.

by Guest 09.07.14 15:12

It's ridiculous.

EVERYTHING in the book was publicly available before the book was written.

A lot of it was in British newspapers before they were gagged.

There is no way the McCanns could successfully sue Amaral.

by Iamtheseeker 09.07.14 15:12

Or was it their Love and Greed for money bring out their true colours? big grin

by Snifferdog 09.07.14 15:16

Admin posted: snipped: Friends said the couple have had to turn down scores of interview requests from around the world, including one from legendary U.S. broadcaster Barbara Walters, since they were made official suspects on September 7.

Snifferdog: This must have been really painful for the McCanns, all those opportunities to rake in lovely lolly....Gone! violin

by TheTruthWillOut 09.07.14 15:24

Snifferdog wrote:Admin posted: snipped: Friends said the couple have had to turn down scores of interview requests from around the world, including one from legendary U.S. broadcaster Barbara Walters, since they were made official suspects on September 7.

Snifferdog: This must have been really painful for the McCanns, all those opportunities to rake in lovely lolly....Gone!

That violin isn't good enough.

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by lj 09.07.14 15:27

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That wouldn't mean though that people in the U K aren't aware of it of course.

Not that I believe for one moment that, in the context of a school bus with a background of baying and screeching (similar to a debate in the House of Commons) any child would be able to hear a report on the radio.

By the way, I have read the book that was mentioned earlier about the family of the first Yorkshire Ripper victim. The father's name was Gerry McCann - rather unfortunate!

Scary!

by Snifferdog 09.07.14 15:28

Hehehe!

by jeanmonroe 09.07.14 15:34

THANKYOU 'HiDeHo'

Martin Brunt on McCann TRIAL against Goncalo Amaral July 8th 2014

ALL THOSE 'SCREAMING' PEOPLE, EH GERRY?

A 'LONE' PROTESTER!

I'M SURPRISED GERRY COULD EVEN HEAR HIMSELF THINK WITH ALL THAT 'SCREAMING' GOING ON!

ACTUALLY, I'M MORE SURPRISED BY THE LACK OF HOARDES/SUPPORTERS, 'SCREAMING' "JUSTICE FOR THE 'SAINTS' GERRY and KATE"!

McCanns Claim Son Asked if they HID Madeleine's Body July 8th 2014

by lj 09.07.14 15:36

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by lj 09.07.14 15:38

Sparklehorse wrote:Just catching up on yesterday and wondered if the parents were able to present any of the requested paperwork regarding Madeleine's wardof court status. Was their claim for her disallowed? Thanks

Bump this, I wonder about the same.

by nglfi 09.07.14 15:41

How can it ever possibly be established whether the trauma and depression suffered by the McCanns was caused by GA and his book? They're acting as if if it wasn't for the book they'd be completely happy and fine. How is the judge supposed to distinguish fairly between the pain caused by losing a child, which was always going to occur, and the supposed pain caused by the book? It's impossible and not even a relevant question imo.

by lj 09.07.14 15:44

MRNOODLES wrote:
BlueBag wrote:Bishop Ellis Primary school is 2.7 miles from Rothley.

School bus fire Bishop Ellis primary school.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/School-bus-blaze-drama/story-12072629-detail/story.html

They use coaches.

We also have a named coach driver in the article.

There's a giant terminator alien creature in the smoke and flames.

If she lied about that, and I suspect she did, she made a huge mistake. Apart from the legal consequences, lying in a victim impact speech is so morally wrong. However no surprise there. They could not speak the truth if their lives, and that of Maddie, depended on it.

by **PeterMac** 09.07.14 15:45

sallypelt wrote:Take notice of the date of this article:
Gag bars McCanns from answering new Madeleine body dumping claim
Posted by admin on Sep 29th, 2007 and filed under Daily Mail Articles, Famous Articles. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry
By VANESSA ALLEN - Last updated at 10:05am on 29th September 2007
SNIP
So, as we can see, the McCann's claim that it was Dr Amaral's book that did the damage. POPPYCOCK. The claims that they the hid body and placed it in a freezer was reported in SEPTEMBER 2007 in a BRITISH NEWSPAPER.

Good Heavens. How shocking.
It seems the McCanns have deliberately told a lie, under oath, in court.
Whatever next.

Dr Amaral has been made aware

http://truthofthelie.com/2007/09/gag-bars-mccanns-from-answering-new-madeleine-body-dumping-claim/
http://truthformadeleine.com/2007/09/gag-bars-mccanns-from-answering-new-madeleine-body-dumping-claim/
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/5sep7/T-I-L-29-09-07.htm

Vanessa Allen seems to have made a career out of McCann stories

Madeleine suspect Murat demands new police interview to clear his name
MailOnline, Wed 7 November 2007
DNA shows 'no proof' that Madeleine is dead
MailOnline, Wed 7 November 2007
People are sick of Find Madeleine campaign, say police
MailOnline, Tue 6 November 2007
Police 'looked on as Maddie crime scene was trampled' by McCanns and their friends
MailOnline, Tue 6 November 2007
Madeleine police ask: Were Kate and Gerry drunk?
MailOnline, Mon 5 November 2007
More about this article
Private detectives hired by McCanns on the trail of girl in Morocco who 'has the same eye defect as Madeleine'
MailOnline, Thu 1 November 2007
Madeleine: Murat facing new quiz as police go back to square one
MailOnline, Tue 30 October 2007
Kate McCann's mother airs fresh fears for her daughter's health
MailOnline, Mon 29 October 2007
Is Madeleine's mother finally beginning to crack?
MailOnline, Fri 26 October 2007
Is this the man who snatched Madeleine? McCanns release artist impression
MailOnline, Thu 25 October 2007
Killer waves hit like an Exocet, says survivor of Algarve beach tragedy
MailOnline, Thu 25 October 2007
More about this article
Holiday Britons drown trying to save their children near Madeleine resort
MailOnline, Tue 23 October 2007
More about this article
Madeleine: Key eyewitness reveals how Tapas Nine 'shared eight bottles of wine a night'
MailOnline, Tue 23 October 2007
Madeleine: Brown quizzes Portuguese PM about police inquiry
MailOnline, Fri 19 October 2007
Madeleine police to search remote reservoir after mobile phone 'clue'
MailOnline, Mon 15 October 2007
Madeleine 'was left in room with six other younsters'
MailOnline, Tue 9 October 2007 (1 blog link)
Madeleine: Kate McCann fears the mystery will never be solved
MailOnline, Sun 7 October 2007
British police attack Portuguese 'dirty tricks' over Madeleine
MailOnline, Sat 6 October 2007
Madeleine: 'Now focus on finding our little girl', McCanns beg police after detective is sacked
MailOnline, Thu 4 October 2007
Portuguese police: 'Madeleine died after falling down stairs at holiday flat'
MailOnline, Sun 30 September 2007
Madeleine: Boatman spotted 'kicking something in the middle of the night'
MailOnline, Sat 29 September 2007
Heartbreak for McCanns as girl in photo is revealed as farmer's daughter
MailOnline, Thu 27 September 2007

by **tigger** 09.07.14 15:45

Snifferdog wrote:Admin posted: snipped: Friends said the couple have had to turn down scores of interview requests from around the world, including one from legendary U.S. broadcaster Barbara Walters, since they were made official suspects on September 7.

Snifferdog: This must have been really painful for the McCanns, all those opportunities to rake in lovely lolly....Gone!

But it all worked out all right, by January 08 there was a million pounds plus bidding war between Winfrey and Walters, a film contract for a similar amount and a documentary about the case.
Oprah won and they finally had the interview soon after they were released from the arguido status.

However, one interview, which may or may not have been paid for, was the disastrous Vanity Fair Interview at the end of September 07, attended by Gerry and Clarrie. Published in January 08. In it Gerry agrees with the likelyhood that Maddie is dead.
Apparently Clarrie must have fallen asleep again on the job... winkwink

by jeanmonroe 09.07.14 15:45

nglfi wrote:How can it ever possibly be established whether the trauma and depression suffered by the McCanns was caused by GA and his book?

What 'depression' would that be then?

Judge asks if KMC had a depression.

KMC says NO, but of course she had been depressed.

Judge – Clinically?

KMC – NO.
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(ALL RECORDED FOR POSTERITY, KATE, THANKYOU)
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Personally, i'd be well CLINICALLY 'depressed' if someone had 'abducted' one of my kids, when they were 3 years old, and i thought of what COULD be happening to them!

But hey, that's just me!

But , there again, I'm not a 'doctor' am i?

by Iamtheseeker 09.07.14 15:50

Kate has "depression" ? Is it in fear of her loosing money and getting caught for telling lies? big grin

by Gillyspot 09.07.14 15:51

lj wrote:
MRNOODLES wrote:
BlueBag wrote:Bishop Ellis Primary school is 2.7 miles from Rothley.

School bus fire Bishop Ellis primary school.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/School-bus-blaze-drama/story-12072629-detail/story.html

They use coaches.

We also have a named coach driver in the article.

There's a giant terminator alien creature in the smoke and flames.
If she lied about that, and I suspect she did, she made a huge mistake. Apart from the legal consequences, lying in a victim impact speech is so morally wrong. However no surprise there. They could not speak the truth if their lives, and that of Maddie, depended on it.

I may be wrong but it looks like the school doesn't have a dedicated bus & kids must catch the normal village buses. From Bishop Ellis Catholic Primary School Newsletter June 2014.

"
School Buses
Thank you to all the parents who attended the school bus meeting and completed the questionnaire. Governors are in the process of negotiating a service with a bus company to provide a private service, hopefully to start in September. However, please complete applications to the Local Authority transport system as usual. Once arrangements have been finalised, children can be transferred. More details to follow shortly."

http://www.bishopellis.leics.sch.uk/pages/

by lj 09.07.14 15:55

Woofer wrote:
jozi wrote:" The Judge at beginning of hearing sessions spoke and instructed the scribe about the request that had been made by Gonçalo Amaral’s previous lawyer so the defendant could be heard in court. That request was opposed by the McCann couple’s lawyer, Isabel Duarte, and had been previously denied by the Judge in 2013.

The McCann couple, who had also requested to be heard in court, saw their application being refused as well. Yet they pleaded against that decision to the Appeals court and their request was granted, therefore they were now authorized to be heard in court, which is what takes place after this “introductory” instruction by the lady Judge, Maria Emília de Melo e Castro.

The Judge then added that since Gonçalo Amaral’s former lawyer did not oppose to the ruling - which refused his request to be heard - a new appeal opposing the ruling could no longer be accepted, and therefore that decision had now become final.
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So according to the above The Mcs lawyer opposed the request of GA"s lawyer for GA to speak in Court and because it was denied already by the Judge in 2013 they denied him the right to speak !!!

Am I reading this right that the Mcs opposed GA the right to be heard in court but then appealed their denial and got permission to speak ???

Yes, that worries me as well - seems as if the Judge is allowing the McCanns plenty of concessions but not GA.

Also a couple of posters have queried about the Ward of Court proofs that the McCanns had to provide - doesn`t seem to have been mentioned ... as yet.

It worries me too, woofer.
Don';t forget Sr. Amaral was removed from the investigation under political pressure from the UK. The DNA results were "amended" under the same pressure. Dr. Amaral's book has been banned, even though it was finally overturned. Who knows what pressure is going on at the moment.

If it was just a "simple libel" trial, it would be different. But mixing in that "human rights" things always beings up a lot of emotions.

I will not be at ease until I heard that they can stuff it. That's a while away though.

by lj 09.07.14 15:58

Bishop Brennan wrote:Actually this part of the court transcript from Joana Morais is more of a concern:

"... the McCann couple - have requested the court to solicit an official application to ATA [Autoridade Tributária Aduaneira] i.e. the Portuguese equivalent to the IRS, in order to obtain confidential fiscal information.

The Judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro authorized and ordered for the dispatch to be prepared “since it is essential to know, within the scope of the case being analysed here at the court, what are the eventual earnings” of the defendant Gonçalo Amaral regarding the sales of the book ‘Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira’. "

That, to me, sounds ominous. The claims are for fixed amounts of money (we are told) per person. Why then would the earnings be of relevance?

I have been wondering that too, bishop.

by lj 09.07.14 16:08

Portia wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
VeraWannabe wrote:Just back in...probably missed loads! Is there a transcript of the court hearing yet? Link anyone please?

VeraWannabe, read Candyfloss's thread on the Update of the Libel Trial.

Yes all here for those in a hurry to read latest, the very last post is the courtroom write up...........

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t10004-updates-only-libel-trial-8th-july-2014

IMO this account should come with a warning that it has been selectively compiled and commented on by a writer who is clearly not well disposed to the McCanns (other than their socks, is there any that are? ) and that it cannot be relied on to be an accurate account of the proceedings although it may be that parts, at least, will tally with the official transcript or with one which has been meticulously produced by Anne Guedes.

It occurs to me that as well having become objects of derision, the McCanns have of late also become figures of fun. For this parlous state of (their) affairs they should look no further than Clarence Mitchell, who has spun so with such force that the wheels have come off the TM bus and it would be a supreme irony if Sean's bus to school becomes responsible for yet more disastrous coverage of the libel trial for them.

But why would a mother throw her own infant son under the Bus of Ridicule of his present and future school chums?

Because he is not important, neither is Amelie and was Madeleine. It's all I—me—I

by lj 09.07.14 16:10

Portia wrote:
Bishop Brennan wrote:Actually this part of the court transcript from Joana Morais is more of a concern:

"... the McCann couple - have requested the court to solicit an official application to ATA [Autoridade Tributária Aduaneira] i.e. the Portuguese equivalent to the IRS, in order to obtain confidential fiscal information.

The Judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro authorized and ordered for the dispatch to be prepared “since it is essential to know, within the scope of the case being analysed here at the court, what are the eventual earnings” of the defendant Gonçalo Amaral regarding the sales of the book ‘Maddie, A Verdade da Mentira’. "

That, to me, sounds ominous. The claims are for fixed amounts of money (we are told) per person. Why then would the earnings be of relevance?

For these ridiculous claims to be denied, citing their disproportionality relative to the meagre proceeds of the book

That would however send the message that the McCanns in principle were right.

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