LAST DAY OF LIBEL TRIAL 8th July 2014 DISCUSSION AND NEWS

Portia wrote:

MRNOODLES wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:Questions:

Have the McCanns been totally 'mis-leading' the Great British 'public' and indeed ALL people that have 'visited' their FindMadeleine 'website', these past 7 YEARS, by only portraying a MAN (Tannerman) as a 'suspect' 'seen' carrying off Madeleine, by JT?

With GM's er, um, REVELATORY 'introduction', yesterday, 8th July 2014, of a SHE, as a possible 'predator/abductor' WHY is there no e-fit, similar to TannerMAN, of this supposed 'she' predator/abductor prominately displayed on the McCann's Official FindMadeleine website?

Why has NO ONE, not even the McCann's themselves, ever said that the Great British public or anyone in the world should 'look out/search for' a WOMAN (she) 'suspect' who could of 'abducted' Madeleine?

All very ODD, imo.

GM's 'he, she, they' totally aimed at the T7!

all imo, obviously.

Plus Gerry's ill thought out mutterings of the predator may strike again could have the twins s***ing bricks.  They've been told the abductor took maddie while they slept. So therefore it's not too much of a stretch for them to think, 'are they coming back for us at some point?'

And who are we to say they wouldn't be justified in thinking so?

When they are old enough to understand all the actions and non-actions of their parents, they will.

Re school buses: the application of the rules is in something of a state of flux as Local Authorities have to make cuts. As I said earlier, LAs used to provide transport to the nearest Catholic school for Catholic parents requiring it, but I am pretty sure that it was a concession and not statutory. Or if it's statutory now, the law will have been changed recently.  In the case of the McCanns, there is at least one primary school nearer to them, so if they had a child starting now  they would be expected to list that as a choice. If they chose to send a child further away and not apply to the nearest, it would be up to them to get them there at their own expense. 

I live in Oxfordshire and the local paper is constantly reporting issues like this, as the letter of the law is being applied strictly and school bus routes which have been running for donkey's years are now being cut back. I would imagine that this is what is happening at the school the McCann children go to.

But it's a bit of a red herring. Sean heard something, somewhere. Might have been on the school bus, might not. He might get free transport, he might not. Alternatively, he might have heard it from one of his friends but he didn't want to dob the friend in it by saying who. Either way, it was long, long after the McCanns had decided to sue for libel.

tasprin wrote:

petunia wrote:

stillsloppingout wrote:

Just catching up 
IMO the reason Gerry was desperate to get his dogs point over , [and the real reason why he is there ] is  he has been tipped off by somebody in the chain of command at SY, and he is attempting a pre emptive strike to shape the publics perception because the point he raises  would be published in the British press . 
The Media monitoring is no surprise . they are on here all the time . [ sometimes writing long winded reply's !! ] i can usually spot them a mile off . one was being pedantic with me the other day. 

 BTW on that note i will PM Candy floss the reason [ who and why i am confident the mc's were swingers . ]

SSO  i don't give a bugger if the Mccann's are swingers every one to there own i say,if you want to swing then swing, what i want to know is what caused there Daughter to disappear in Portugal.

This is all hypothetical but, yes, as adults they are entitled to swing if they want to. But what if their behaviour (whatever that was) lead to Madeleine's disappearance? Imagine the response from the media if the Tapas 9 had gone on a "family" holiday and left all eight of their children alone every night just so the parents could spend the week bonking each other silly, and - because of this - one little girl cried for over an hour on Tuesday night, supposedly cried again Wednesday night (and on one occasion was alleged to have been comforted by a "soothing couple" who entered the unlocked apartment while the parents were busy) and on Thursday night vanished into thin air. If that scenario were true, and widely known in 2007, they certainly wouldn’t have been presented as the nice, family-oriented, professional couple. There’d be no fund and zero sympathy. And if the group had been from a different background we'd have been deluged with "Feral Parents" & "Broken Britain" headlines. The thing about the swinging theory is that there was a grandmother present, and she'd have to be extremely broadminded or extremely dim (or both) to put up with it.

John Stalker claimed the Tapas 9 were hiding a big secret. I don't know what could that be but sex and/or drugs are the most obvious:

McCanns 'are hiding a big secret', former police chief claims
28 October 2007
Kate and Gerry McCann are hiding a "big secret" about the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, according a former police chief claims. John Stalker, who headed a famous inquiry into whether suspected IRA men were killed by RUC officers, is suspicious of their silence. The former Deputy Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police told the Sunday Express: "My gut instinct is that some big secret is probably being covered up. "I have watched the investigation into the Madeleine McCann case drag out for six months. "One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group – the Tapas Nine remained so silent? "Unlike other high-profile cases I have worked on, not one of them has been prepared to break ranks or really come out and support each other. "After all this time and pressure, I cannot believe that nobody wants to speak. "I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490254/McCanns-hiding-big-secret-police-chief-claims.html

 

PeterMac wrote:From justpamalam.
http://www.justpamalam.co.uk/Kate_McCann_08_07_2014.htm

Libel trial Day 12  Kate McCann deposition text from PDF 08-07-2014
Libel trial McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 12 – Kate McCann's deposition

The hearing as it happened
(08.07.2014, 9:45am)  
The judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro starts by asking the lawyers for the defence whether they intend to speak out about a request that was made by the plaintiffs on the 26th of June. They say they give up.
The judge then refers to the fact that the plaintiffs appealed against the decision not to hear the parties whereas Gonçalo Amaral didn't and that therefore only Gerald and Kate McCann will be heard to-day.
The judge finally clarifies what was her first point: the plaintiffs had asked for information about the financial situation of GA on the 6th of January but didn't obtain it, Dra Isabel Duarte having requested on the 26th of June a Court's order for the Autoridade Tributária e Aduaneira (HM Revenue and Customs) to disclose confidential documents concerning GA.
The judge decides to grant this request, which was opposed only by the Guerra&Paz lawyer who finds it unnecessary and increasing the delay up to the end of this trial. The plaintiffs have ten days to obtain the documents and release them to the tribunal.
Therefore the hearing scheduled for this afternoon (Dra Duarte) and the hearing on the 10th (the defence lawyers) will have to be postponed. Sine die, because of

1) the tribunal holidays (starting on 16 of July and ending on 31 of August) and


2) A new judiciary organization that will be implemented in the whole country in the beginning of September.

Statement of Kate McCann
The first plaintiff to be heard is Kate Healy (name on her passport). Standing, as any witness did, she indicates her identity, address, profession (says she is a doctor but doesn't work any more), etc. Finally the judge claims that the plaintiff is here to make a statement on some facts of this trial. The plaintiff is expected to speak the truth about those points. Then she's invited to sit down.
The statement that the new CPC authorises is in fact not a voluntary and deliberate oral deposition, but consists of replying to the judge's questions. After that questioning, the lawyers are invited to submit their own questions, but those are themselves questioned by the judge who will reformulate or possibly reject some of them.

Judge – Do you remember when you first learnt about the book by Gonçalo Amaral and when you read it?
KMC learnt that the book existed through the media and read parts of it that were quoted. She read it completely around the end of 2008.
Judge – How did you feel when you read the book?
KMC says that she was devastated. She already had an idea of what was in that book, but when she read it all she felt desperate because of the injustice against her and her family as a whole and also felt anxious because of the damage that this book was causing to Madeleine. She gives as an example the fact that the book accuses her and her husband of being somehow involved and of faking an abduction. The book smears her and her husband throughout.
Judge – What data are you now referring to?
KMC says that the book had many negative effects in Portugal. She says that this book sounds credible and if people believe what it says, that Madeleine is dead, they will not search for her and bring more information about her. She says that it is a particularly serious matter that such a theory is published in Portugal, because it is from there that Madeleine disappeared.

Judge – Do you remember the documentary?
KMC says that Portuguese and non Portuguese friends told her that it had been horrible, they didn't dare to tell her on the night it was broadcast, but the following day they gave her details.
Judge – Did you happen to watch it?
KMC says that she watched it when it was available on the Web.
Judge – What new element does this documentary bring? How did you feel watching it compared to what you felt when you read the book?
KMC finds that the destructive power of the documentary is bigger, it is yet more damaging.
Judge – Did you feel worse and why?
KMC explains that the documentary is more definitive and cutting than the book. She felt despair because of the injustice towards her family as a whole and she was anxious that it would damage the search since there was no official investigation and they were the only ones working very hard. As it was jeopardising their efforts, she felt pain and fear.

The Judge asks whether KMC knows about an interview given by Gonçalo Amaral to the Correio da Manhã, whether she remembers a particular interview.
KMC remembers an interview about the documentary, she remembers in particular one where it was said that Madeleine was dead, that they had kept her body in a freezer and transported it in the car boot.
Judge asks how KMC was made aware of the interviews.
KMC replies that she has friends in Portugal and that those friends sent her the articles and indicated the essential points.
Judge – When did you learn of that interview?
KMC doesn't remember the date but thinks it was soon after... (Suspended voice)
Judge – How did you react?
KMC says that her friends in Portugal were a big support.

Judge – How do you feel concerning the perception that the majority of Portuguese are against you?
KMC says that negative claims are very distressing and bothering.
Judge – Do you feel rather uncomfortable, ashamed?
KMC replies that "ashamed" is not quite the right word for it. She clarifies that it makes her lose confidence.
Judge asks whether she suffered because the people thought that they were cowards for having hidden the body.
KMC, after a silence, says that people thought much worse than that.

Judge – Did that cause you insomnia?
KMC says that it happened obviously, but that she isn't no more as she was, destroyed. She says that she cried, that the book brought her pain and emotion while she was desperate to find Madeleine.

Judge – Do the twins know about the book, the documentary?
KMC answers that of course they use computers at school and at home and she has to be very careful and try to supervise the information they get.
Judge – Do they have a global idea about what people say?
KMC mentions that her son, in October asked her why Mr Amaral said that they hid Madeleine. She answered that there were many stupid things in his book.
Judge – How did your son know about that? How was it possible if you were careful to prevent access to the book?
KMC thinks he heard it on the radio, in the school bus.
Judge – So what did you do?
KMC says that they spoke to David Trickey who advised them to let the twins make comments and just answer when they ask questions. She says that they had to contact the school in case a child would tell the twins about something that is in the book. She says that the book is noxious for adults and must be even more damaging for children.
Judge asks if KMC had a depression.
KMC says no, but of course she had been depressed.
Judge – Clinically?
KMC – No.
Judge – Did you publicly say that you wished you were in a coma to forget the pain?
KMC – Yes.
Judge – In what circumstances? Was it linked to the disappearance of Madeleine or to the book and the documentary?
KMC replies that the pain was increased by the book.
The judge asks how old the twins are (9) and when they started school (2009).

Isabel Duarte (for the plaintiffs) – Was there a reaction to the book and the documentary in the UK?
Judge reformulates but keeps the question
KMC says that there were a bit less reactions than in Portugal and that it was because of the media who accepted what the book said and published reports upon it. People on the Web and through e-mails were stimulated to insult them, like the Madeleine Foundation, and created a lot of damages. As Gonçalo Amaral was the coordinator of the investigation, it provided him credibility and it intensified the vilification of them.

Judge – What is the Madeleine Foundation?
KMC explains that it's a group of people who essentially promotes theories up to the point of trying to manipulate people in their village.
Judge – What relation is there between this group and the book?
KMC says there is none, but they invited Gonçalo Amaral. She thinks that he didn't go.
Judge – This group was created because of the book?
KMC – No, it existed before the book was published. She says that obviously the book strengthened them.

Isabel Duarte says she wants KMC to speak of the threats. The judge asks from who, from where, but as Isabel Duarte doesn't known the judge rejects this question because it is not within the scope of the trial.

The judge gets back to the conversation with Sean and asks whether he left it at that.
KMC says it occurred only then, after that they followed the Trickey's advice.
Judge – Did Sean speak again to you about it?
KMC – No.

Gonçalo Amaral's new lawyer, Miguel Cruz Rodrigues, wants to know what caused more distress to KMC.
The judge rephrases – What disturbed you more: the disappearance of your daughter, the fact you were made arguido or the reason for this trial, i.e the book and the documentary?
KMC says there's nothing worse than the abduction of a child, but that the rest intensified the pain and that there are limits to what a person can bear.

MCR mentions the topic of the social (image) destruction. The judge confirms that it is an issue to establish or refute.
Judge – Did you have the support of famous people like Angelina Jolie?
KMC says that she has no idea about Angelina Jolie, but knows that renowned people supported them.

MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/
KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.
MCR says it was in the UK.
KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.

MCR mentions that KMC became an ambassador for Missing People in July 2012. Judge repeats the question.
KMC – Yes.

MCR mentions a gala party in January 2010 to commemorate 1000 days. Does she remember?
KMC – Yes.

The judge tells KMC that she's free to leave or to remain in the Court room. She remains there, sitting next to her lawyer.
And so it ended

Very good questions. Especially the last ones make clear they did not loose support.
edited to add a s after question.

PeterMac wrote:

sallypelt wrote:Take notice of the date of this article:
Gag bars McCanns from answering new Madeleine body dumping claim
Posted by admin on Sep 29th, 2007 and filed under Daily Mail Articles, Famous Articles. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry
By VANESSA ALLEN - Last updated at 10:05am on 29th September 2007
SNIP
So, as we can see, the McCann's claim that it was Dr Amaral's book that did the damage. POPPYCOCK. The claims that they the hid body and placed it in a freezer was reported in SEPTEMBER 2007 in a BRITISH NEWSPAPER.

Good Heavens. How shocking.
It seems the McCanns have deliberately told a lie, under oath, in court.
Whatever next.

Dr Amaral has been made aware

http://truthofthelie.com/2007/09/gag-bars-mccanns-from-answering-new-madeleine-body-dumping-claim/
http://truthformadeleine.com/2007/09/gag-bars-mccanns-from-answering-new-madeleine-body-dumping-claim/
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/5sep7/T-I-L-29-09-07.htm

Vanessa Allen seems to have made a career out of McCann stories

The circulation figure of the Daily Mail for August 2007 was 2,228,321.


How does that compare to the number of "The Truth of The Lie" that were sold before the McCann" started their case?



http://www.currybet.net/cbet_blog/2012/10/british-newspapers-five-years.php

PeterMac wrote (snipped)''


MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/
KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.
MCR says it was in the UK.
KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.''


 

Indeed, the way KM almost brushes it aside as unimportant! 20,000 people gather to pray for her and her family, no humility, just ingratitude speaks volumes.

A good lesson for the Great British (and further afield) public right there. The contempt of the McScams. YOUR SUPPORT ONLY COUNTED IF IT CAME STUFFED IN ENVELOPES ADDRESSED TO KATE AND GERRY, ROTHLEY, OR BY PRESSING THE DONATE BUTTON AND BUYING OF QUALITY MERCH FROM THE WEBSITE.

worriedmum wrote:PeterMac wrote (snipped)''


MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/
KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.
MCR says it was in the UK.
KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.''


 

That indeed is an amazing question and answer. I would love to say slam dunk for Dr Amaral, but I have been wrong one time too many in this case.

It might just be me but:
Is there ANY reference to KM saying, in the courtroom, yesterday,8th July, 2014, under Portuguese 'oath', DIRECTLY saying that her daughter, Madeleine, 'WAS abducted' on the 3rd May 2007, in PDL or her saying that her daughter, Madeleine, 'was INVOLVED in an abduction' on the 3rd May 2007 in PDL?

I know, when under OATH, at Leveson, NEITHER of the McCanns, giving 'evidence' uttered the 'A' words (Abducted or Abduction) in relation to their 'missing' daughter, Madeleine.

Same again yesterday, giving 'evidence' under 'oath'?

Kate Healy (name on passport) did utter the A word yesterday but not, it appears, in direct relation to her eldest daughter's disappearance, jeanm.

Anne Guedes' transcript of yesterday's court proceedings in Lisbon courtesy of Pamalam (donation made):
 
The hearing as it happened

(08.07.2014, 9:45am)

The judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro starts by asking the lawyers for the defence whether they intend to speak out about a request that was made by the plaintiffs on the 26th of June. They say they give up.

The judge then refers to the fact that the plaintiffs appealed against the decision not to hear the parties whereas Gonçalo Amaral didn't and that therefore only Gerald and Kate McCann will be heard to-day.

The judge finally clarifies what was her first point: the plaintiffs had asked for information about the financial situation of GA on the 6th of January but didn't obtain it, Dra Isabel Duarte having requested on the 26th of June a Court's order for the Autoridade Tributária e Aduaneira (HM Revenue and Customs) to disclose confidential documents concerning GA.

The judge decides to grant this request, which was opposed only by the Guerra&Paz lawyer who finds it unnecessary and increasing the delay up to the end of this trial. The plaintiffs have ten days to obtain the documents and release them to the tribunal.

Therefore the hearing scheduled for this afternoon (Dra Duarte) and the hearing on the 10th (the defence lawyers) will have to be postponed. Sine die, because of

1) the tribunal holidays (starting on 16 of July and ending on 31 of August) and



2) A new judiciary organization that will be implemented in the whole country in the beginning of September.



Statement of Kate McCann

The first plaintiff to be heard is Kate Healy (name on her passport). Standing, as any witness did, she indicates her identity, address, profession (says she is a doctor but doesn't work any more), etc. Finally the judge claims that the plaintiff is here to make a statement on some facts of this trial. The plaintiff is expected to speak the truth about those points. Then she's invited to sit down.

The statement that the new CPC authorises is in fact not a voluntary and deliberate oral deposition, but consists of replying to the judge's questions. After that questioning, the lawyers are invited to submit their own questions, but those are themselves questioned by the judge who will reformulate or possibly reject some of them.



Judge – Do you remember when you first learnt about the book by Gonçalo Amaral and when you read it?

KMC learnt that the book existed through the media and read parts of it that were quoted. She read it completely around the end of 2008.

Judge – How did you feel when you read the book?

KMC says that she was devastated. She already had an idea of what was in that book, but when she read it all she felt desperate because of the injustice against her and her family as a whole and also felt anxious because of the damage that this book was causing to Madeleine. She gives as an example the fact that the book accuses her and her husband of being somehow involved and of faking an abduction. The book smears her and her husband throughout.

Judge – What data are you now referring to?

KMC says that the book had many negative effects in Portugal. She says that this book sounds credible and if people believe what it says, that Madeleine is dead, they will not search for her and bring more information about her. She says that it is a particularly serious matter that such a theory is published in Portugal, because it is from there that Madeleine disappeared.



Judge – Do you remember the documentary?

KMC says that Portuguese and non Portuguese friends told her that it had been horrible, they didn't dare to tell her on the night it was broadcast, but the following day they gave her details.

Judge – Did you happen to watch it?

KMC says that she watched it when it was available on the Web.

Judge – What new element does this documentary bring? How did you feel watching it compared to what you felt when you read the book?

KMC finds that the destructive power of the documentary is bigger, it is yet more damaging.

Judge – Did you feel worse and why?

KMC explains that the documentary is more definitive and cutting than the book. She felt despair because of the injustice towards her family as a whole and she was anxious that it would damage the search since there was no official investigation and they were the only ones working very hard. As it was jeopardising their efforts, she felt pain and fear.



The Judge asks whether KMC knows about an interview given by Gonçalo Amaral to the Correio da Manhã, whether she remembers a particular interview.

KMC remembers an interview about the documentary, she remembers in particular one where it was said that Madeleine was dead, that they had kept her body in a freezer and transported it in the car boot.

Judge asks how KMC was made aware of the interviews.

KMC replies that she has friends in Portugal and that those friends sent her the articles and indicated the essential points.

Judge – When did you learn of that interview?

KMC doesn't remember the date but thinks it was soon after... (Suspended voice)

Judge – How did you react?

KMC says that her friends in Portugal were a big support.



Judge – How do you feel concerning the perception that the majority of Portuguese are against you?

KMC says that negative claims are very distressing and bothering.

Judge – Do you feel rather uncomfortable, ashamed?

KMC replies that "ashamed" is not quite the right word for it. She clarifies that it makes her lose confidence.

Judge asks whether she suffered because the people thought that they were cowards for having hidden the body.

KMC, after a silence, says that people thought much worse than that.



Judge – Did that cause you insomnia?

KMC says that it happened obviously, but that she isn't no more as she was, destroyed. She says that she cried, that the book brought her pain and emotion while she was desperate to find Madeleine.



Judge – Do the twins know about the book, the documentary?

KMC answers that of course they use computers at school and at home and she has to be very careful and try to supervise the information they get.

Judge – Do they have a global idea about what people say?

KMC mentions that her son, in October asked her why Mr Amaral said that they hid Madeleine. She answered that there were many stupid things in his book.

Judge – How did your son know about that? How was it possible if you were careful to prevent access to the book?

KMC thinks he heard it on the radio, in the school bus.

Judge – So what did you do?

KMC says that they spoke to David Trickey who advised them to let the twins make comments and just answer when they ask questions. She says that they had to contact the school in case a child would tell the twins about something that is in the book. She says that the book is noxious for adults and must be even more damaging for children.

Judge asks if KMC had a depression.

KMC says no, but of course she had been depressed.

Judge – Clinically?

KMC – No.

Judge – Did you publicly say that you wished you were in a coma to forget the pain?

KMC – Yes.

Judge – In what circumstances? Was it linked to the disappearance of Madeleine or to the book and the documentary?

KMC replies that the pain was increased by the book.

The judge asks how old the twins are (9) and when they started school (2009).



Isabel Duarte (for the plaintiffs) – Was there a reaction to the book and the documentary in the UK?

Judge reformulates but keeps the question

KMC says that there were a bit less reactions than in Portugal and that it was because of the media who accepted what the book said and published reports upon it. People on the Web and through e-mails were stimulated to insult them, like the Madeleine Foundation, and created a lot of damages. As Gonçalo Amaral was the coordinator of the investigation, it provided him credibility and it intensified the vilification of them.



Judge – What is the Madeleine Foundation?

KMC explains that it's a group of people who essentially promotes theories up to the point of trying to manipulate people in their village.

Judge – What relation is there between this group and the book?

KMC says there is none, but they invited Gonçalo Amaral. She thinks that he didn't go.

Judge – This group was created because of the book?

KMC – No, it existed before the book was published. She says that obviously the book strengthened them.



Isabel Duarte says she wants KMC to speak of the threats. The judge asks from who, from where, but as Isabel Duarte doesn't known the judge rejects this question because it is not within the scope of the trial.



The judge gets back to the conversation with Sean and asks whether he left it at that.

KMC says it occurred only then, after that they followed the Trickey's advice.

Judge – Did Sean speak again to you about it?

KMC – No.



Gonçalo Amaral's new lawyer, Miguel Cruz Rodrigues, wants to know what caused more distress to KMC.

The judge rephrases – What disturbed you more: the disappearance of your daughter, the fact you were made arguido or the reason for this trial, i.e the book and the documentary?

KMC says there's nothing worse than the abduction of a child, but that the rest intensified the pain and that there are limits to what a person can bear.



MCR mentions the topic of the social (image) destruction. The judge confirms that it is an issue to establish or refute.

Judge – Did you have the support of famous people like Angelina Jolie?

KMC says that she has no idea about Angelina Jolie, but knows that renowned people supported them.



MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008

http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/

KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.

MCR says it was in the UK.

KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.



MCR mentions that KMC became an ambassador for Missing People in July 2012. Judge repeats the question.

KMC – Yes.



MCR mentions a gala party in January 2010 to commemorate 1000 days. Does she remember?

KMC – Yes.



The judge tells KMC that she's free to leave or to remain in the Court room. She remains there, sitting next to her lawyer.

And so it ended


With many thanks to QV and Astro for review

I found that astonishing too *Worriedmum* How can she forget that vigil?
Maybe the judge should have asked her if she suffered from AMNESIA instead of Insomnia

"KMC says that the book had many negative effects in Portugal. She says that this book sounds credible and if people believe what it says, that Madeleine is dead, they will not search for her and bring more information about her."

Ok so even Kate thinks Amarals theory sounds credible       ( maybe she means authorative or something? Oh well...)

   And then we have if people think M is dead no-one will search, Andy Redwood has been searching quite a bit and has said she could be dead!

ChippyM wrote:"KMC says that the book had many negative effects in Portugal. She says that this book sounds credible and if people believe what it says, that Madeleine is dead, they will not search for her and bring more information about her."

Ok so even Kate thinks Amarals theory sounds credible       ( maybe she means authorative or something? Oh well...)

   And then we have if people think M is dead no-one will search, Andy Redwood has been searching quite a bit and has said she could be dead!

Thing is chippyM - they only see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe and THEN spill out their OWN beliefs as though they are GOSPEL - the sanctimonious pair of (can't say the word ....   s)

We have see a Statement from Kate to the Judge's Q's but is there one for Gerry?

Dont Make Me Laff wrote:We have see a Statement from Kate to the Judge's Q's but is there one for Gerry?

No doubt there will be but, at the time of writing, it's still to be made available online DMML.

ultimaThule wrote:

Dont Make Me Laff wrote:We have see a Statement from Kate to the Judge's Q's but is there one for Gerry?

No doubt there will be but, at the time of writing, it's still to be made available online DMML.  

ok uT - thank you. I will keep watching....

worriedmum wrote:PeterMac wrote (snipped)''


MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/
KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.
MCR says it was in the UK.
KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.''


 

That makes me feel sick,  :bad:  Ungrateful pieces of ....  Dung IMO 
I'm a catholic, and prayer for me and most is the most powerful of all. 
I'm pretty sure they could tell u where money came from, but having over 20,000 people together praying 
For the safe return of their daughter and she doesn't remember when or where, just shows everyone, everywhere
The sort of people were dealing with here, if I was maddie, I certainly would not be waiting for them when the're
Time comes all IMO


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justformaddie =
That makes me feel sick,    Ungrateful pieces of ....  Dung IMO 
I'm a catholic, and prayer for me and most is the most powerful of all. 
I'm pretty sure they could tell u where money came from, but having over 20,000 people together praying 
For the safe return of their daughter and she doesn't remember when or where, just shows everyone, everywhere
The sort of people were dealing with here, if I was maddie, I certainly would not be waiting for them when the're
Time comes all IMO

I get what you mean, Utterly disrespectful and dismissive of those who turned out.
 I am of no religion but respect those who have faith. IMO most scientists/doctors are a little sketchy when it comes to religion and as KM mother (?) pointed out Kate had let her faith slide.... suddenly she has to be a holier than thou devoted servant of god???
Yerh of course she does.
All Blx imo

If I was Maddie - and alive - I would keep my head down and wear a patch over my eye...
We can all think of reasons at one time or another when we might have wanted to disown our parents, but if they were mine I would pack up me red hanky and tie it to a stick and be-gone .....

Justformaddie wrote:

worriedmum wrote:PeterMac wrote (snipped)''


MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/
KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.
MCR says it was in the UK.
KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.''


 

That makes me feel sick,  :bad:  Ungrateful pieces of ....  Dung IMO 
I'm a catholic, and prayer for me and most is the most powerful of all. 
I'm pretty sure they could tell u where money came from, but having over 20,000 people together praying 
For the safe return of their daughter and she doesn't remember when or where, just shows everyone, everywhere
The sort of people were dealing with here, if I was maddie, I certainly would not be waiting for them when the're
Time comes all IMO

Sorry if its all  already been said, I am working backwards just come on now.   It has been bothering me  ( If I read it right ) that when the judge asked what caused the most anguish to them  -  the contents of MR Amarals book or the disappearance of their daughter ......  I'm sure Gerry Mccann  said he could not make a comparison because they happened at different times ?????

I cannot believe he answered with those comments ?    He appears so detatched from his little girl - what father would say that ?   No matter how long in between those "happenings" surely, the loss of his daughter would remain the most anguishing of the two comparisons ????   I am flabbergasted at his answer if thats what he said to the judge.

worriedmum wrote:PeterMac wrote (snipped)''


MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/
KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.
MCR says it was in the UK.
KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.''


 

It's on par with the pair not remembering what sightings they were particularly interested in in the "Ask the dogs Sandra" interview   

Gerry really can't get over the dogs thing, can he? He's obsessed with them, probably because he can't explain away the alertings like he can explain away the rest, and he can't really say too much against them because they are British police dogs, handled by Brits, not 'useless, old' Portuguese ones, handled by 'vindictive' Portuguese. What a predicament!

Gerry kind of reminds me of Napoleon I. He's so confident he'll win because he has over and over again, that when defeat comes, he just can't seem to understand it.

Dee Coy wrote:

Miraflores wrote:I wonder if the McCanns didn't realise that what happened in the courtroom would be reported? Hence Gerry's rather smug brief statement on the steps followed by graciously offering to take questions.

Gawd, yeah. The accomplished media inteviewee - Gerry knows how to handle and talk (down) to 'em.

"I'm happy to take some questions." Graciously patronising indeed. He thinks he's got them in them palm of his hand.  Then again, he would, wouldn't he? After 6 years of sycophancy.

What a jerk. He is so unaware of how ridiculous they both look now. And he made several gaffs whereby he forgot to mention Madeleine as being the most important thing. Leading to clumsy over-correction and obvious 'fluffed' lines. Pompously 'agreeing to take questions' in his supercilious manner, little realising that the vast majority of the press probably don't believe a word he says and think they are delusional, IMO.

Dragging alleged comments from Sean into this unedifying spectacle show just how cynical and out of touch with any kind of responsible parenting they truly are. Why would you want to expose your child to this kind of media attention? They and they alone are directly responsible for any negative consequences that the twins suffer as a result of their, at the very least, gross negligence. So typical of them to try to pin the blame for their irresponsible behaviour on anyone but themselves.

I just wonder....why mention 'the school bus'? It's a bit like Kate saying: 'every time we come to Portugal we have to make arrangements for our children to be looked after.'

I wonder ...... Perhaps, in view of not least negligent child care arrangements, arrangements have, indeed, been made but not by K and G?

How else could one possibly explain how and why this couple can blatantly expose their survive children to this media exposure?  

I can only assume  they are being given copious amounts of rope  in the confident belief that this will be by far the most effective method of public condemnation.

Hmm...

All personal ideas and opinions as always.

Interesting that Gerry is still smugly smirking while Kate looks like a woman about to be put in the gallows. Does this mean The Joker has a few further cards up his sleeve?

PeterMac wrote:
MCR mentions the topic of the social (image) destruction. The judge confirms that it is an issue to establish or refute.
Judge – Did you have the support of famous people like Angelina Jolie?
KMC says that she has no idea about Angelina Jolie, but knows that renowned people supported them.

MCR mentions a celebration that gathered 20 thousand people in order to pray on the 8th of December 2008
http://www.blackburncitizen.co.uk/news/3959495.Thousands_join_East_Lancashire_group_s_prayers_for_Madeleine_McCann/
KMC doesn't remember and asks where it was.
MCR says it was in the UK.
KMC says that there are obviously people who pray.

MCR mentions that KMC became an ambassador for Missing People in July 2012. Judge repeats the question.
KMC – Yes.

MCR mentions a gala party in January 2010 to commemorate 1000 days. Does she remember?
KMC – Yes.

The judge tells KMC that she's free to leave or to remain in the Court room. She remains there, sitting next to her lawyer.
And so it ended

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All the support their friends, contacts and PRs gave them in rehabilitating their image after the arguido disaster must seem a bit of a mixed blessing now. After all, it must be hard to convince a court that the social image of a pair of doctors has been destroyed to the degree that they need £millions in damages when one of them has now been appointed a "charity ambassador" and they've managed to organise a gala dinner to which Gloria Hunniford, Fiona Phillips, Peter Bowles, David Steele and Jack Dee weren't too embarrassed to turn up at. Who do they imagine might have been there if Amaral's book hadn't been published? The Queen, perhaps? Obama?