Re: Doing a McCann - Drunk mum spared jail for leaving boy at home as she was 'not as bad as the McCanns'

by Jemmied_Shatter 14.01.14 12:44

mouse wrote:So do we have a new law now about leaving children on their own? Is this the new get out of jail card for child neglectors? Have the Mccanns set a new presidence? If so - no need for babysitters anymore.....Seriously though - this is dangerous stuff. So dangerous perhaps we ought to hear some clarification from government as to what are the legal guidelines in this country about leaving children. Just some clarification so that we can dismiss this Lawyer's comments in court that almost states 'doing a Mccann' is now legally accepted in this country.

Oh and 'Mirage' I am feeling your rant this morning.

Plenty of debate on this topic in the public domain
See my post earlier. My sentiments exactly. The question is that if this is going to be regarded as an acceptable level of childcare then whose version should it be? The one where 3 very small children are left alone in a strange apartment abroad, or the one where a very young vulnerable child is left home alone so his mother can get a takeaway (or a top up from the off license).
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by **PeterMac** 14.01.14 12:54

I think this is priceless.
The press have wanted to say this for years, but were constrained by You Know Who.
Now they can "report" that someone else has said it, with impunity, and since it was said in court it is privileged.
And You Know Who (Kevin) can do nothing about it.
Ha, Ha, Ha !

by aiyoyo 14.01.14 12:58

She left one child home alone, no harm came to the child, nonetheless she face prosecution.

The Mccann couple left 3 children home alone, one went missing, were advised (allegedly) by legal/professional person (since no one knows who exactly) that their action is within reasonable parenting, and they are not facing prosecution.

Where's the logic.

If I were her lawyer I would use the argument the Mccanns admitted neglecting their chlldren 5 nights in a row yet Kate is made ambassador of Missing People. Why is the law applied discriminately ?

by aiyoyo 14.01.14 13:02

PeterMac wrote:I think this is priceless.
The press have wanted to say this for years, but were constrained by You Know Who.
Now they can "report" that someone else has said it, with impunity, and since it was said in court it is privileged.
And You Know Who (Kevin) can do nothing about it.
Ha, Ha, Ha !

Kudo to her lawyer.

They can do nothing about it except for being furious.

The Mrs will be kicking furniture and punching bag....pleasant ambience in Rothley.

by ultimaThule 14.01.14 13:15

PeterMac wrote:I think this is priceless.
The press have wanted to say this for years, but were constrained by You Know Who.
Now they can "report" that someone else has said it, with impunity, and since it was said in court it is privileged.
And You Know Who (Kevin) can do nothing about it.
Ha, Ha, Ha !

I'm waiting to see which MP will seize the opportunity to become the darling of millions of ~~voters~~ wholly responsible and caring parents by repeating it in Parliament.

NB: I opted not to use the word 'champion' instead of 'darling' because those children who have the misfortune to be born to irresponsible and uncaring parents such as the McCanns are the ones most in need of a champion to fight for their rights.

by Jemmied_Shatter 14.01.14 13:20

I think we can comfortably request a ruling statement from both regional Social Services Child Protection departments. The well publicised McCann version as being "well within the boundaries of responsible parenting" versus the drunk mother who left her son for a short time to drive out and get a takeaway. At least the latter can argue that she had left her son at home to save him from a dangerous incident with her behind the wheel intoxicated.
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by **PeterMac** 14.01.14 13:44

Jemmied_Shatter wrote:I think we can comfortably request a ruling statement from both regional Social Services Child Protection departments. The well publicised McCann version as being "well within the boundaries of responsible parenting" versus the drunk mother who left her son for a short time to drive out and get a takeaway. .

Perhaps now is the time for the "Professional" who told the Mccanns that it was "well within the bounds" . . to step forward and to explain exactly what s/he meant.
The McCanns must remember who s/he is, surely.
Mitchell can handle the details.

by Tangled Web 14.01.14 13:48

Would anyone care to speculate as to the reasons why this story has made it into the public domain?

Is it because Clarence is no longer fighting for them?

by jeanmonroe 14.01.14 13:56

candyfloss wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:COMPARSION.

1) Welsh lady LOCKED all windows and doors to her house, leaving ONE child asleep, when she went 'out' of sight.

2) McCanns diliberately, consciously, left ALL doors to their apartment UNLOCKED, leaving THREE babies alone, when they went 'out' of sight.

Not all doors, the patio was left unlocked.

The McCanns left the front door (car park side) totally, totally out of sight of the tapas restaurant, closed but UNLOCKED as well as the UNLOCKED patio doors.

Unless you are talking about the Welsh lady leaving her patio door 'unlocked'.

But i have seen no report that she did.

by tiny 14.01.14 14:00

PeterMac wrote:I think this is priceless.
The press have wanted to say this for years, but were constrained by You Know Who.
Now they can "report" that someone else has said it, with impunity, and since it was said in court it is privileged.
And You Know Who (Kevin) can do nothing about it.
Ha, Ha, Ha !

I applaud that lawyer,also the paper for printing it

by Mirage 14.01.14 14:04

Tangled Web wrote:Would anyone care to speculate as to the reasons why this story has made it into the public domain?

Is it because Clarence is no longer fighting for them?

Maybe was too busy putting a girdle round the earth in 40 mins with the 3 burglars story. big grin

by jeanmonroe 14.01.14 14:06

There is absolutey no reason why any lawyer cannot state in a courtroom and compare his clients 'case' to the McCanns, if giving reasons that his clients actions were indeed, 'comparable' to those of the McCanns.

eg. "my client refused to co-operate and answer police questions, just as Kate McCann did"

eg. prosecuter " Do you know criminal X?"
accused "I can't comment on that", "like Mr McCann said when he was asked if he knew Mr Murat"

by Mirage 14.01.14 14:11

There will have to be a moratorium on all neglect cases while the Law Lords decide how to apply British justice even-handedly across social classes.

by ultimaThule 14.01.14 14:13

PeterMac wrote:
Jemmied_Shatter wrote:I think we can comfortably request a ruling statement from both regional Social Services Child Protection departments. The well publicised McCann version as being "well within the boundaries of responsible parenting" versus the drunk mother who left her son for a short time to drive out and get a takeaway. .
Perhaps now is the time for the "Professional" who told the Mccanns that it was "well within the bounds" . . to step forward and to explain exactly what s/he meant.
The McCanns must remember who s/he is, surely.
Mitchell can handle the details.

It seems possible the professional in question may have been Angus McBride but please don't quote me on that, PeterMac, until I've gone through the various and assorted information that's 'out there' as it may be more properly attributable to self-styled 'trauma counsellor' Alan Pike who, despite being an unqualified social worker, apparently worked for some years in the field of child protection for a local authority.

by ultimaThule 14.01.14 14:24

Tangled Web wrote:Would anyone care to speculate as to the reasons why this story has made it into the public domain?

Is it because Clarence is no longer fighting for them?

The dyke sprung a leak some time ago and it's become too big for the little Glasgae lad to continue plugging it using donations to his lifestyle fund which, unaccountably, seem to have dried up just as he's about to be swept away by the inevitable flood.

It's a nailbiting time, but the wee one won't be able to bite his as he'll need both hands to cling on to any piece of driftwood that floats his way.

by **PeterMac** 14.01.14 14:25

I was being deliberately vague !

by ultimaThule 14.01.14 14:27

Vague, PeterMac? confused

Isn't that a magazine? big grin

by jeanmonroe 14.01.14 14:28

ARH Good old Angus gets a re-mention.

The very same Angus that DEFENDED, now convicted, paedophile Chris Langham!

The McCanns told the whole world that their child 'had been abducted by paedophiles' and one of the VERY FIRST first things they did was to 'employ' a solicitor that DEFENDS paedophiles! Albeit unsucessfully in Langham's case!

Now WHY would the McCanns have 'employed' a paedophile 'DEFENDER'?

When they say their child was 'abducted' by paedophiles.

Weird huh?

by HelenMeg 14.01.14 14:38

'Maddie's parents were guilty of child neglect': Lawyer's bizarre courtroom speech during case about drink driving mother who left her son, five, alone at night

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539093/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-guilty-child-neglect-says-lawyer-bizarre-courtroom-speech.html#ixzz2qNqpYpOb
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just caught sight of this online....
every little bit helps

by HelenMeg 14.01.14 14:39

A lawyer defending a woman who was caught drink-driving while her small child was at home alone has accused Madeleine McCann's parents of child neglect.
In what has been described as an 'outrageous' slur on the missing girl's parents, defence lawyer Gareth Morgan compared them unfavourably to his client, who left her five-year-old son at home by himself before being arrested after she crashed her car at traffic lights.
He told magistrates at Merthyr Tydfil, south Wales: 'The parents of Madeleine McCann were guilty of child neglect for leaving their little girl much longer than my client. They were never prosecuted.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539093/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-guilty-child-neglect-says-lawyer-bizarre-courtroom-speech.html#ixzz2qNrNLL3V
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Gareth Morgan -

by suzyjohnson 14.01.14 14:45

There is already a thread about this HelenMeg, Doing a McCann - Drunk mum spared jail for leaving boy at home

by Guest 14.01.14 14:50

Merged your thread here HelenMeg

by Okeydokey 14.01.14 15:39

HelenMeg wrote:A lawyer defending a woman who was caught drink-driving while her small child was at home alone has accused Madeleine McCann's parents of child neglect.
In what has been described as an 'outrageous' slur on the missing girl's parents, defence lawyer Gareth Morgan compared them unfavourably to his client, who left her five-year-old son at home by himself before being arrested after she crashed her car at traffic lights.
He told magistrates at Merthyr Tydfil, south Wales: 'The parents of Madeleine McCann were guilty of child neglect for leaving their little girl much longer than my client. They were never prosecuted.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539093/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-guilty-child-neglect-says-lawyer-bizarre-courtroom-speech.html#ixzz2qNrNLL3V
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Gareth Morgan -

I just took a look! It's amazing the number of up arrows for those agreeing with Gareth Morgan drawing comparison and/or pointing out the McCanns left three children, not just one.

I have never seen such numbers in such a short time - they must have opened the floodgates. There are some with nearly 5000 up arrows.

by jeanmonroe 14.01.14 16:08

Perhaps wee Lorraine (still good quality wristband 'free' despite the online shop having been re-opened for AGGEEESS) will invite him onto the sofa to discuss 'his issues' with McCann faux psychologist Pikey?

And get him back on the 'straight and narrow' PDQ!

by plebgate 14.01.14 16:21

The Welsh lady was spared jail, so did the magistrates agree with the lawyer on a point of law or for some other reason?

Doing a McCann - Drunk mum spared jail for leaving boy at home as she was 'not as bad as the McCanns'