Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

by Liz Eagles 04.10.13 11:31

A libel trial in Portugal, an announcement re mobile phone checks from Scotland Yard, a BBC Crimewatch programme dedicated to the McCanns with a live studio appearance, the promise of some sort of reconstruction and a phone hacking trial about to begin in UK.

.....and all in the month of October!

The plot sure does thicken. Thicker than the thickest thicket in the forests of thick.

by sallypelt 04.10.13 11:33

ShuBob wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
sallypelt wrote:BBC explaining "Cell Dump" now, on TV
How very helpful of them
Tony, I am feeling cautiously optimistic. Although, during the interview, the McCann's names were never mentioned, the person giving the interview spoke as if he was speaking about certain people. He even said that it was because of phone call analysis that they were able to catch "Harold Shipman". I found that statement rather telling.
We may be a rare breed sallypelt but like you I'm optimistic.

Hi ShuBob, one has to be optimistic, otherwise, we've all wasted over 6 years of our lives searching for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, whatever that may be. Yes, there's been ups and downs, and based on what we know, there does appear to have been a cover-up, for whatever reason. But, IMO, the fund was there for a reason and one reason only, To pay for big backers, and to sue anyone who wanted truth and justice.

by ShuBob 04.10.13 11:34

Jerry Lawton has tweeted a fair bit today. Is someone able to copy and paste it here please. I've got my hands full and can't do all the necessary editing.

by Guest 04.10.13 11:35

I have always had faith in SY and that they would bring whoever was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to justice. However there is one niggle, call me cynical, but releasing this info, slap bang in the middle of a libel trial, and just when Mr Amaral's witnesses are about to give evidence?? thinking

by ShuBob 04.10.13 11:40

Reading Jerry Lawton's tweets, I get the distinct feeling that things are not going the McCanns' way. Pay particular attention to how he reports the couple's impending Crimewatch appearance.

https://twitter.com/JerryLawton

by Guest 04.10.13 11:41

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Police set to reveal new theory about what happened to Madeleine #McCann in Crimewatch special on the case http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/342760/Cops-new-clues-in-the-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann …

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Police using data from mobile phone cell sites to track up to 10,000 people in Praia da Luz when Madeleine #McCann disappeared

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Police appeal to anyone in Praia da Luz from April 28 to May 3 2007 who has not already spoken to cops to come forward #McCann

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Met Police have 41 "persons of interest" in Madeleine #McCann probe - inc 15 Brits - though 3 Brit suspects likely to soon be eliminated

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Met Police say Madeleine #McCann parents will appear on Crimewatch sitting "alongside" detectives for the first time

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Madeleine #McCann parents have filmed pre-recorded segments for Crimewatch and will be live in studio

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Portuguese police has appointed team of 6 senior detectives based in Faro to assist Met 37-strong squad with Madeleine #McCann investigation

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Up to 10,000 people who were in Praia da Luz when Madeleine #McCann vanished spread out across 31 countries

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Police sent letters to forces in 31 countries asking for help to trace owners of all mobiles in Praia da Luz when Madeleine #McCann vanished

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Police say Crimewatch special on Madeleine #McCann - to be aired on Monday Oct 14 - will feature a reconstruction of her disappearance

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 2h
Police say the Crimewatch doc on Madeleine #McCann will present a "dfferent" theory about what happened to her

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 2h
Met Police say their relationship with Portuguese officers assigned to Madeleine #McCann case is "good"

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 2h
Met police say relationship with Portuguese officers on #McCann case unaffected by McCanns' on-going libel action against Goncalo Amaral

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 2h
Met Police stress they are conducting #McCann probe with Portuguese assistance - case has not been re-opened in Portugal

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 2h
Police say no-one has been arrested yet in Madeleine #McCann case

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 1h
DCI Redwood, leading #McCann probe, says Madeleine's parents are `very supportive' and police's relationship with them is `very strong'

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 58m
Met Police say they have `unique' knowledge of #McCann case - studied original police files from Portugal/Leics & info from 8 PI firms

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 56m
Mobile phone database in #McCann case was compiled for Portuguese police but has been analysed in minute detail for 1st time by Met police

by Guest 04.10.13 11:44

Tiny have deleted your 2 posts as I have already posted, and they are easier to read. Hope you don't mind roses

by tiny 04.10.13 11:44

Thanks candyfloss

by Woofer 04.10.13 11:45

Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it. Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.

Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May. I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn. There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.

by Guest 04.10.13 11:46

Sky News interviewed Jim Gamble he was explaining cell dump, also asking why Alan Johnson had sat on these files since 2010

by Guest 04.10.13 11:46

The BBC is being so helpful in these 'troubled Brits abroad' cases, isn't it? Only a couple of weeks ago the Beeb broadcast a helpful documentary rubbishing the South African police case against Shrien Dewani not long after the millionaire murder suspect was found to have recovered sufficiently from his mental health problems to face trial abroad.

by sallypelt 04.10.13 11:47

aquila wrote:A libel trial in Portugal, an announcement re mobile phone checks from Scotland Yard, a BBC Crimewatch programme dedicated to the McCanns with a live studio appearance, the promise of some sort of reconstruction and a phone hacking trial about to begin in UK.

.....and all in the month of October!

The plot sure does thicken. Thicker than the thickest thicket in the forests of thick.

Does anyone know if the reconstruction has already taken place? I can't help thinking back to May 2013 and the devastation on the faces of the McCann's. Did all the Tapas 9 go back? If so, this would have taken time to arrange, if they all had to be there. Also, could the reconstruction be the reason that Kate was in Portugal in July? So many questions, so few answers:dontgetit:

by Guest 04.10.13 11:47

Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it. Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.

Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May. I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn. There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.

Well it's all been filmed - so when was it done? The MSM must have known about this...........and the news comes out today.

by Woofer 04.10.13 11:48

I wonder if Andy Redwood has run his NEW THEORY past the McCanns to see if they approve it?

by Guest 04.10.13 11:48

sallypelt wrote:
aquila wrote:A libel trial in Portugal, an announcement re mobile phone checks from Scotland Yard, a BBC Crimewatch programme dedicated to the McCanns with a live studio appearance, the promise of some sort of reconstruction and a phone hacking trial about to begin in UK.

.....and all in the month of October!

The plot sure does thicken. Thicker than the thickest thicket in the forests of thick.
Does anyone know if the reconstruction has already taken place? I can't help thinking back to May 2013 and the devastation on the faces of the McCann's. Did all the Tapas 9 go back? If so, this would have taken time to arrange, if they all had to be there. Also, could the reconstruction be the reason that Kate was in Portugal in July? So many questions, so few answers:dontgetit:

Some has at least.....

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Madeleine #McCann parents have filmed pre-recorded segments for Crimewatch and will be live in studio

by Guest 04.10.13 11:49

Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it. Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.

Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May. I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn. There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.

October 3rd?

Where was GM off to, after the missed court hearing, with that beauty case he was tagging along?

And what was he transporting in it?

Any sightings of him jetting to Faro/Pdl by any chance?

Now, THAT would be good news!

by **Tony Bennett** 04.10.13 11:49

candyfloss wrote:I have always had faith in SY and that they would bring whoever was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to justice. However there is one niggle, [i]call me cynical[i], but releasing this info, slap bang in the middle of a libel trial, and just when Mr Amaral's witnesses are about to give evidence??

Is this right?

Kate & Gerry have already agreed to stand shoulder to shoulder with detectives on the Crimewatch programme (whether live or pre-recorded I am not sure, presumably the latter).

The reconstruction has probably been done, is in the can, and was probaaly approved by the McCann Team weeks ago.

The only thing left to be decided was which Monday the Crimewatch programme was to be shown.

They have chosen 14 October. Why is anyone's guess.

All I want to say, and I acknowledge the optimism of sallypelt, ShuBob and many others, is that there must be a very very good professional reason for the police and the BBC to give us a Crimewatch special on Madeleine McCann 6 years and 5 months after her disappearance.

Just as there must also be a very very good professional reason for Scotland Yard to want to:

* interview 41 persons of interest
* examine 37,148 documents
* pursue nearly 4,000 'actions'
* pursue, in 31 countries, the ownership of thousands of cell phones (many of them pay-as-you-go) and the data on them
* establish a team based in the Algarve to conduct their ongoing investigations.

What is the purpose and premise of Crimewatch?

That someone watching will come up with the vital clue which will solve the crime.

So it remains to be seen exactly what they want the millions of people watching the programme to do

by sallypelt 04.10.13 11:51

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 58m
Met Police say they have `unique' knowledge of #McCann case - studied original police files from Portugal/Leics & info from 8 PI firms

From almost the beginning, I have great faith in the Leicester police. Keep that in mind, and if and when this case is solved, I will reveal why I have faith in the Leicester police.

by **tigger** 04.10.13 11:51

There weren't 10.000 people in PdL in the off-season. The village itself is small, the OC had around 4-500 spaces for guests? But not that many that week.
They'd have to include Lagos and the surrounding lawless villages to get to 10.000 in April 2003.

Those 14 texts sent to Gerry on the 2nd of May seems to be a bugbear. Shame that SY is specifically excluding sms messages. But it's all right, Gerry has stated time and time again that he didn't get those messages, at all, not at all. We're confusing them with all the messages he got on the 4th. Well, naturally - he had hundreds of messages then.
Errm, except he didn't, a lot but not hundreds. The antenna did however register those 14 messages on the second of May. The ones he never got, because they weren't sent. So there - and SY isn't going to look for them anyway, so that's all right then.

These releases are hitting a new low, every time I think they can't sink further in my estimation and by now I've set the bar so low that they have to dig a hole to clear it. Outdoing any limbo dancer.

by Liz Eagles 04.10.13 11:51

Popcorn wrote:The BBC is being so helpful in these 'troubled Brits abroad' cases, isn't it? Only a couple of weeks ago the Beeb broadcast a helpful documentary rubbishing the South African police case against Shrien Dewani not long after the millionaire murder suspect was found to have recovered sufficiently from his mental health problems to face trial abroad.

The question to ask is when and precisely what date did the BBC agree to this Crimewatch broadcast. That would perhaps uncover a possible wretched strategy.

by Guest 04.10.13 11:53

aquila wrote:
Popcorn wrote:The BBC is being so helpful in these 'troubled Brits abroad' cases, isn't it? Only a couple of weeks ago the Beeb broadcast a helpful documentary rubbishing the South African police case against Shrien Dewani not long after the millionaire murder suspect was found to have recovered sufficiently from his mental health problems to face trial abroad.
The question to ask is when and precisely what date did the BBC agree to this Crimewatch broadcast. That would perhaps uncover a possible wretched strategy.

Good question as according to Jerry Lawton some segments have been pre-recorded by the McCanns.

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Madeleine #McCann parents have filmed pre-recorded segments for Crimewatch and will be live in studio

by **Tony Bennett** 04.10.13 11:54

Portia wrote:
Woofer wrote:Yes CandyFloss - Its so obvious isn`t it. Goodness knows how the Judge can focus her mind on the relevancies of the trial with all this going on - she must have been made aware.

Regarding the Crimewatch reconstruction - It would have to be done with the light levels the same as they were on the 3rd May. I don`t know when lighting up time was on 3rd May, but there must be a corresponding day in the Autumn. There`s no point doing a reconstruction at all if they don`t have the correct light levels.
October 3rd?

No.

9th August.

3rd May was 49 days before the day when the sun is at its highest in the northern hemisphere: 21 June.

49 days after that is 9th August.

by Cristobell 04.10.13 11:57

ITV have said the parents will do an appeal this evening. That should be interesting.

Asfaras the reconstruction is concerned, the PJ reached that stage of the investigation 5 years ago, but were stymied by the refusal of the McCanns and the Tapas friends to co-operate. Are we to assume that Scotland Yard are laying on the private jet and 5* hotel they demanded, courtesy of UK taxpayers? Sarcasm aside, the whole lot of them will now face that which they have been avoiding since May 2008, and I would imagine telephone lines to lawyers will be pinging frantically in the coming days.

Scotland Yard can come up with all sorts of new theories, but the facts are as they are. Even if they 'clear' the mccanns and the tapas of all involvement, there is no guarantee that everyone involved will keep their traps shut for evermore. The mccanns are not popular now, not even among their friends, as we have seen by the feeble witness evidence in Lisbon this week, and the release of the private Amsterdam photos. There is at least one whistleblower in the camp, possibly more, as the investigation moves into an 'every man for himself' phase.

by jozi 04.10.13 11:57

candyfloss wrote:I have always had faith in SY and that they would bring whoever was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to justice. However there is one niggle, call me cynical, but releasing this info, slap bang in the middle of a libel trial, and just when Mr Amaral's witnesses are about to give evidence??

This is my worry too, " why " at this stage in the trial have they announced this ??? We all know the trial is not going the Mcs way as all their witnesses hive put their size 10 boots in and Mr and Mrs look prize idiots.I think it would have been better if Scotland Yard had left well alone until after the trial !!!

by Angelique 04.10.13 11:57

aquila wrote:A libel trial in Portugal, an announcement re mobile phone checks from Scotland Yard, a BBC Crimewatch programme dedicated to the McCanns with a live studio appearance, the promise of some sort of reconstruction and a phone hacking trial about to begin in UK.

.....and all in the month of October!

The plot sure does thicken. Thicker than the thickest thicket in the forests of thick.

aquila

I wish I had said that! big grin

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now 41 persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... PLUS A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now 41 persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... PLUS A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

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Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now 41 persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... PLUS A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now 41 persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... PLUS A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".

Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now 41 persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... PLUS A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now 41 persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... PLUS A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now 41 persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... PLUS A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

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