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OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

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Post by tiny on 04.10.13 7:59

This  Crimewatch reconstruction,will it be taken from the the mccanns and tapas 7 statements or like the mccanns recon will they change a few things

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Jim Gamble interviewed for BBC Today programme this morning 7.30pm

Post by Tony Bennett on 04.10.13 8:03

Have been listening to the BBC Radio 4 'Today' programme this morning, as I do every day.

The Madeleine McCann search for mobile 'phone data records was one of the top stories on the 7.00am news, and again on the 7.30pm news summary.

That was immediately followed by a lengthy interview with Jim Gamble and another expert in gathering nintelligence date, whose name I didn't catch, 'Bob someone' I think.

It is definitely worth a listen and can probably be heard on 'listen again'.  

First of all Gamble boasted about how he did a 'scoping exercise' in 2010 for the Home Office, highlighting what he called a 'cell dump' of mobile phone data. There was quite a lot of tecchie stuff from him about how the Portuguese police had failed to 'capture data comms' and 'interrogate this data dump' properly, etc. etc., with which the other bloke agreed.

Gamble was slightly wrong-footed when the interviewer, Justin Webb, asked why - if these 'missing data' were so importnt - the Home Office and Scotland Yard hadn't got round to interrogating it three years ago. He fumbled an answer to the question, more or less saying: 'They should have listened to me'. Gamble was a bit evasive about whether the mobile 'phone data would stil lexist after 6 yeras and 5 months, but said something about European Union data capture regulations.

The clear mesage of this interview was...Madeleine McCann was abducted...these mobile 'phone data will help solve the mystery and find where Madeleine McCann was taken and who took her and...of course, the Portuguese police didn't do their job properly.

When I switched my computer on this morning, this was the first story to greet me on BTYahoo News:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/madeleine-mccann-police-probe-phone-records-023550804.html?vp=1


ETA: 2nd top item again at 8.00am, with a more detailed news item again at 8.03am, saying: "The Portuguese Police had access to thesa data but didn't access them"

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Post by russiandoll on 04.10.13 8:05

With thanks to Joana Morais blog :

A few questions on the Crimewatch reconstruction
4 October 2013 | Posted by  Joana Morais Leave a Comment



Sketch done by Jane Tanner, as part of her witness statement (2007.05.04), pointing to where she saw Gerry McCann chatting with Jeremy Wilkins (3), and a man that she believes to be the abductor (5)
«The Crimewatch programme will feature a reconstruction and interviews with Kate and Gerry McCann, who, for the first time, will appear alongside detectives working on the investigation.» BBC

«The programme, which will be screened on October 14, will ­feature a reconstruction of events in the Portuguese resort on the night of May 3, 2007. And it will highlight a series of new leads found by the team of 37 Yard detectives.» Express

«It will include a never-before-seen reconstruction of events in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on the night the then three-year-old disappeared on May 3, 2007.» Daily Star

We don't know what will be broadcast yet, or what kind of reconstruction this one will be. In any case I'll leave some questions that we will see answered, some at least, on the 14th of October.

Did Gerry and Kate take part of the reconstruction? Did the Tapas 7 take part of the reconstruction?
Were actors used? Was the reconstruction filmed in Praia da Luz? If it had been surely the PT media would have announced it. [ref. PT media reporting on McCanns/Channel 4 shooting a documentary in Portugal in 2009]. If it wasn't will the Crimewatch appeal carry a warning saying: "The following reconstruction was not filmed in Praia da Luz"?

Wouldn't it defeat the whole purpose of a reconstruction if actors were used, even more so if it isn't even shot in the same place from where Madeleine McCann disappeared? Think correct distances from the Tapas bar to the McCanns rented apartment and all that.

If actors weren't used and the Tapas 9, the McCann couple and the friends that were holidaying with them in May 2007, did take part, was anyone allowed to change their versions from the original statements to the Judiciary Police as some did in the 2009, joint ITV/Channel 4 documentary?

If actors were used which versions of the Tapas 9 statements, media interviews, documentaries was used? Who wrote the script? Who directed it?

«Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, said: "Kate and Gerry remain very grateful to the Met for the work they are doing in liaison with the Portuguese authorities. Their forthcoming appearance on Crimewatch is an important stage in that ongoing process. Naturally, they hope it will lead to information that will provide the breakthrough to finding Madeleine."» Independent, Telegraph, Evening Standard, Express, etc.

I thought that an important stage would be to reopen the investigation in Portugal, something that could be achieved with a reconstruction of the events made by the Tapas 9 in situ, a reconstruction that was asked by the Judiciary Police in 2008 and was somehow rendered impossible by the Tapas 7 refusals.

Finally, will the McCanns use this Crimewatch reconstruction as a spin and/or to silence any "noise" regarding the never-taken place reconstruction requested by the Judiciary Police?

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«The documentary reconstructs events surrounding Madeleine's disappearance using actors and based on testimony given to the Portuguese police as part of their investigations.» Broadcast by Channel 4, May 9, 2009


E – About the interest of the reconstruction

Taking into account that there were certain points in the arguidos' and witnesses' statements that revealed, apparently at least, contradiction or that lacked physical confirmation, it was decided to carry out the "reconstruction of the fact", a diligence that is consecrated in article 150 of the Penal Process Code in the sense of duly clarifying, on the very location of the facts, the following very important details, among others:

1 – The physical, real and effective proximity between Jane Tanner, Gerald McCann and Jeremy Wilkins, at the moment when the first person walked by them, and which coincided with the sighting of the supposed suspect, carrying a child. It results, in our perspective, strange that neither Gerald McCann nor Jeremy Wilkins saw her, or the alleged abductor, despite the exiguity of the space and the peacefulness of the area;

2 – The situation concerning the window to the bedroom where Madeleine slept, together with the twins, which was open, according to Kate. It seemed then necessary to clarify if there was a draught, since movement of the curtains and pressure under the bedroom door are mentioned, which, eventually, could be verified through the reconstitution;

3 – The establishment of a timeline and of a line of effective checking on the minors that were left alone in the apartments, given that, if it is believed that such checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, at least, very difficult to reunite conditions for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said abductor, with the child, namely through a window with scarce space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass, through that window, holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that witness JANE TANNER saw (horizontal);

4 – What happened during the time lapse between approximately 6.45/7 p.m. – the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time, in her apartment, by a different person (David Payne) from her parents or siblings – and the time at which the disappearance is reported by Kate Healy – at around 10 p.m.;

5 – The obvious and well-known advantages of immediate appreciation of evidence, or in other words, the fulfilment of the principle of contiguity of evidence in order to form a conviction, as firm as possible, about what was seen by Jane Tanner and the other interposers, and, eventually, to dismiss once and for all any doubts that may subsist concerning the innocence of the missing [child's] parents.

In this sense, the legal procedures were followed, according to the norms and conventions that are in force, and the appearance of the witnesses was requested, inviting them to be present inclusively appealing to solidarity with the McCann couple, as it is certain that since the beginning they adhered to that process diligence.

Nevertheless, despite national authorities assuming all measures to render their trip to Portugal viable, for unknown motives, after the many doubts that they raised about the necessity and opportunity of their trip were clarified several times, they chose not to attend, which rendered the diligence inviable.

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

in: Processo 201/07.0 GALGS - Volume XVII - pages 4636-4638 (Public Prosecutor's Archiving Dispatch

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 8:07

They have sent letters of request to 31 countries asking police to help identify thousands of holidaymakers, local residents and workers visiting or living in the village from the vast phone log collated between April 28 and May 3, 2007.
Redwood kept stating "new theory" and "new leads" with specifying what exactly they are.

How many theories can you have in crime of a missing child?

Either the child is abducted or not abducted.

If not abducted where is she?

Is she dead or alive?

What else can there be?

He has not once mentioned the "abduction" word. So God only knows what theory Redwood is looking at?

LOR sent to 31 countries, that's hell of a lot of paper works, for what end, you have to wonder.

More pertinently, why announce their operation at this stage? Why now?






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Post by GRACEFUL1 on 04.10.13 8:09

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the investigation, said the analysis of mobile phone data originally collected by the Portuguese had gone beyond the stage of a general trawl, and was now being cross-referenced with other information.
His team have been cross-referencing tens of thousands of documents, communications data and witness statements from the Portuguese investigation, from eight private detectives and from the Leicestershire force.


"The mobile phone data is a substantial amount of data and a significant amount of it is unattributed. Putting this with layers and layers of other information, we are carrying out a targeted attack on the information. We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. [i]It is like pulling back the layers of an onion[/b] Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.
Six detectives in Portugal are working with the Met and making inquiries on their behalf. But the plan to send a team of Met officers to work out of Portugal has yet to be acted upon, as delicate negotiations continue with the Portuguese authorities, who closed their investigation and have refused all appeals to reopen it.

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Post by tigger on 04.10.13 8:09

Hmm. Thousands? Surely 41 x say  30 calls each over the period of that week would be what is expected?

Phones that haven't been used to make calls  would locate an owner but still doesn't explain 'thousands'. In any case in a legal sense it would place the sim there but not be proof of a certain person being there not making any calls.
PdL at the time housed not much over a thousand people plus a modest number of tourists.

Is filibustering the right word here? (I'm happy to be corrected) the PJ are in possession of an excellent analysis of the telephone traffic of May - the mobile phone traffic was mentioned for the first time in April by Martin Brunt.  Not since.
No doubt the PJ - now they are working so closely together - has given SY a  copy. This, imo has nothing to do with that list but everything to do with the court case.  
Misdirection, spin  -   Well, it seems the list of 37 leads is now 41 and 1000's more leads... splat

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Post by DIBarlow on 04.10.13 8:11

Hiding in full view is a risky strategy.

And very uncomfortable I'd imagine?

After adopting such a ploy there's no going back.

To suddenly lie low is not an option as it immediately raises suspicion.

They've only themselves to blame

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Post by statsman on 04.10.13 8:13

Well, if confusion is good, this is superb!

But, from Gerry's performance in Portugal last week when he was being questioned by a Portuguese reporter, I think he's equally confused as us.

There was no smirk or air of confidence.

And all this new evidence. Where has it come from?

I'l bet he hasn't been told that by SY.

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Post by Searcher on 04.10.13 8:15

Will the log of calls include those allegedly deleted by G and K McCann immediately after the event?
As in "My child has disappeared, what shall I do.  I know, I'll delete my phone record".

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Post by The Rooster on 04.10.13 8:18

Pyewacket I incline toward your way of thinking.  I've got to say it will be galling to see the parents thumbing their noses at the public yet again? The program will hopefully air all the laundry and remind Great Britian how truly filthy the McCanns are. Responsible parenting my arse. The BBC better man the switch boards because they may create a backlash not expected. I hope so. THE McCANN'S and friends NEGLECTED their children and  Crimewatch are effectively endorsing that. In light of the current situation where social services and health workers are under the spotlight regarding child neglect the whole McCann fiasco sends out dual social values and quite honestly stinks.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.10.13 8:21

@russiandoll wrote:quote Tony Bennett :   " ETA:  The Daily Express report says that Dr Gerald and Dr Kate McCann will be in Praia da Luz to help with a reconstruction of the events of 3 May 2007, ahead of the Crimewatch Madeleine McCann appeal which will apparently be shown on Monday 4 October "

this should read 14th

That's correct, it was a typo

and while there was mention of the pair being in PdL on Twitter late last night, there is nothing in the Express online with this info you have quoted Tony, where and when did you read this? I posted when I saw the Twitter discussion that it seemed the pair would be filmed in PdL, but think this is an error.

Yes, I'm sorry, it was my initial misreading of the Express article, I had conflated Gerry and Kate McCann taking part in the Crimewatch appeal with the fact that there was also going to be a reconstruction, presumably in Praia da Luz. Having said that, I would suggest that the reconstruction, if for example it has already been done, must have followed a script supplied by the McCanns and their Team

I would have expected that SY software would be used to create a reconstruction then actors used to act it out. It seems useless for just the McCanns to talk through their own and friends' movements, and there is no mention of the rest of the crew doing this re-enactment.

 All very strange, the way this has been timed to coincide exactly with the libel trial being in full swing.

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Post by Pyewacket on 04.10.13 8:26

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Pyewacket wrote:OK, well lets wait and see !! Could all be another very thick coat of white paint of course. IMO if there going to do a reconstruction it has to include  K&G and the T7. But where, that's a good point. Thing is there's plenty of time to make people sweat, and if OG are secretly monitoring they will probably watching all concerned closely right now.

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Far as I read  they'd not used T9 in their reconstruction, and it was NOT done in PDL, or people in Portugal would have heard all about it.

My impression is actors were used.  Filming may have been done in studio using prop up...maybe, who know?
OK, sorry, I took it to mean that a reconstruction was yet to be done, not that one had been done already

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Post by Seek truth on 04.10.13 8:29

@Tony Bennett wrote:Have been listening to the BBC Radio 4 'Today' programme this morning, as I do every day.

The Madeleine McCann search for mobile 'phone data records was one of the top stories on the 7.00am news, and again on the 7.30pm news summary.

That was immediately followed by a lengthy interview with Jim Gamble and another expert in gathering nintelligence date, whose name I didn't catch, 'Bob someone' I think.

It is definitely worth a listen and can probably be heard on 'listen again'.  

First of all Gamble boasted about how he did a 'scoping exercise' in 2010 for the Home Office, highlighting what he called a 'cell dump' of mobile phone data. There was quite a lot of tecchie stuff from him about how the Portuguese police had failed to 'capture data comms' and 'interrogate this data dump' properly, etc. etc., with which the other bloke agreed.

Gamble was slightly wrong-footed when the interviewer, Justin Webb, asked why - if these 'missing data' were so importnt - the Home Office and Scotland Yard hadn't got round to interrogating it three years ago. He fumbled an answer to the question, more or less saying: 'They should have listened to me'. Gamble was a bit evasive about whether the mobile 'phone data would stil lexist after 6 yeras and 5 months, but said something about European Union data capture regulations.

The clear mesage of this interview was...Madeleine McCann was abducted...these mobile 'phone data will help solve the mystery and find where Madeleine McCann was taken and who took her and...of course, the Portuguese police didn't do their job properly.

When I switched my computer on this morning, this was the first story to greet me on BTYahoo News:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/madeleine-mccann-police-probe-phone-records-023550804.html?vp=1


ETA: 2nd top item again at 8.00am, with a more detailed news item again at 8.03am, saying: "The Portuguese Police had access to thesa data but didn't access them"
ETA: 2nd top item again at 8.00am, with a more detailed news item again at 8.03am, saying: "The Portuguese Police had access to thesa data but didn't access them"


They didn't access them?
So what is all that phone detail on the pj files site?

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Post by russiandoll on 04.10.13 8:31

No apologies necessary Tony, I saw the same misunderstanding on twitter and put a post here based on it.

 What you said here... Having said that, I would suggest that the reconstruction, if for example it has already been done, must have followed a script supplied by the McCanns and their Team


 if it differs from the original script it will be interesting and raise many questions. Will the errors in translation argument be used as a reason for the change[s] ?
 if it is the same, as is likely, it should raise many questions as it did for the PJ.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 8:35

SY's Statements

‘We are doing it the hard way quite frankly. This is not just a general trawl, this is a targeted attack in relation to that database to see if it assists us in finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann at that time.
‘A lot of the focus is not necessarily to find a suspect, but also witnesses. We’re trying to understand who was there for a range of reasons.

‘If you were in Praia da Luz at the time, you may get a routine phone call from the police.’

‘There is new information not previously presented. Fresh, substantive material upon which to make an appeal'.
‘It’s substantially different. It’s not just a bland ‘can you help us’ appeal, there is some different material and a different understanding to be presented.’


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Pinky's
‘Kate and Gerry remain very grateful to the Met for the work they are doing in liaison with the Portuguese authorities.
‘Their forthcoming appearance on Crimewatch is an important stage in that ongoing process. Naturally, they hope it will lead to information that will provide the breakthrough to finding Madeleine.’

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Gerry's Statement outside Court

Reporter:  Gerry, do you have new expectations about f - finding Maddie?

Gerry:      I think, you know, that all the investigation enquiries are being directed to the Metropolitan Police at this time.

Reporter:  So you are quite…with the hope of…about what is going to happen in Portugal in the fut - in the coming days?

Gerry:      Sorry, I missed that.

Reporter: So, you have some hope of what is going to de - de- developments in the coming days?

Gerry:      I was directed to the Metropolitan Police, they are very much dealing with all enquiries regarding the investigation

Martin (?): Why is it important that you give evidence at this trial?

Tch, well, the law’s changed , and I think er I think that Kate and I know  better  than anyone else er what we’ve experienced, and what we’ve gone through, and the fact of er the file and er um the damage that’s been caused to the search for Madeleine.
Let's recap this.
Police talked about "NEW" theory - new vs what? abduction?
And, "SUBSTANTIVE" materials - what exactly?
Substantive seems to be the buzz word, yet they're trawling phone records in 31 countries!

Pinky said the Mccanns are grateful to the MET?  Too soon surely? Grateful for what?  
Has Redwood given them specifics regarding his "NEW" theory?  He sure hasn't told that Public what it was!

It's evident the Portuguese reporter (even at that time)  knew about the SY's development and it's crimewatch programme, but Gerry gave nothing away.  
He  did not express confidence SY will FIND Madeleine either.  

So what 'new" theory is MET working on?

WHAT is going on?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.10.13 8:36

@Seek truth wrote:They didn't access them?

So what is all that phone detail on the pj files site?
What they're saying is that Goncalo Amaral and his team, as well as interrogating the mobile 'phone data of e.g. the McCanns, the Tapas 7 and Robert Murat, should also have sought to obtain the mobile 'phone data of every single person in Praia da Luz - thousands of them - from 28 April to 5 May 2007.

It's an ambitious project, which will keep Redwood and his team occupied maybe for years to come...

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 8:37

@Pyewacket wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@Pyewacket wrote:OK, well lets wait and see !! Could all be another very thick coat of white paint of course. IMO if there going to do a reconstruction it has to include  K&G and the T7. But where, that's a good point. Thing is there's plenty of time to make people sweat, and if OG are secretly monitoring they will probably watching all concerned closely right now.

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Far as I read  they'd not used T9 in their reconstruction, and it was NOT done in PDL, or people in Portugal would have heard all about it.

My impression is actors were used.  Filming may have been done in studio using prop up...maybe, who know?
OK, sorry, I took it to mean that a reconstruction was yet to be done, not that one had been done already
Sorry, this shark...emoticon is doing my head in.aaagh aaagh 

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Six detectives in Portugal are working with the Met and making inquiries on their behalf. But the plan to send a team of Met officers to work out of Portugal has yet to be acted upon, as delicate negotiations continue with the Portuguese authorities, who closed their investigation and have refused all appeals to reopen it.

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Standing shoulder to shoulder with the police, they are still being protected and imo from a lot higher up. Spin, distraction, propaganda in other words a complete

Could it be a animated recontruction?

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Re: OPERATION GRANGE - Independent 4/10/13 SY Review Team says there's now *41* persons of interest, and they're trying with the help of Interpol to track mobile 'phones linked to 31 countries worldwide... *PLUS* A new Crimewatch TV appeal in FOUR countries

Post by aiyoyo on 04.10.13 8:40

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@aquila wrote:It's all go in October, the libel trial in Portugal, a crimewatch tv programme dedicated to the McCanns, Redwood of the Yard announcing advances in the case (don't titter at the back) and the Rebekkah Brooks trial to begin.
Timed to happen before (if) Gerry gives evidence.

It is all about spin and generating media pressure and drowning out the truth.
Whose spin though? The Mccanns didn't produce this crimewatch nor timed its release as such.

It's the METs project!

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Joana Morais blog today ..

Post by Searcher on 04.10.13 8:44

Today's Joana Morais blog raises the time-frame of 6.45 -7.00 pm on the night of
3 May, when apparently, allegedly, in that fifteen minutes, David Payne was the "last
person" to see Madeleine alive.  I don't know the source but that is the quote on the
page this morning in her blog.  I have not read that suggestion/allegation quite as
clearly as this before.  Will Operation Grange include this in the timeline?

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Post by tigger on 04.10.13 8:44

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Seek truth wrote:They didn't access them?

So what is all that phone detail on the pj files site?
What they're saying is that Goncalo Amaral and his team, as well as interrogating the mobile 'phone data of e.g. the McCanns, the Tapas 7 and Robert Murat, should also have sought to obtain the mobile 'phone data of every single person in Praia da Luz - thousands of them - from 28 April to 5 May 2007.

It's an ambitious project, which will keep Redwood and his team occupied maybe for years to come...


...and with unlimited opportunities of generating press releases and necessary trips to good wine-growing countries...

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Post by Guest on 04.10.13 8:47

Well one thing's for sure, the next few weeks seem likely to present the Portuguese authorities with plenty of 'new evidence' to consider - from the courtroom testimony of Gerry McCann and other witnesses, to these phone records presented by Scotland Yard. Presumably, if everybody else in Praia da Luz's mobile phone records can be unearthed, so can those of Madeleine's immediate circle - which proved so elusive to the police at the time? If everyone's mobile records but theirs are available, doesn't that, in itself, raise questions?
So perhaps, given all this new evidence, the Portuguese will decide now's the time to reopen Madeleine's case.

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