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'Notoriously unreliable'

Post by Tony Bennett on 25.02.10 16:09

@marigold wrote:Even if they were kept in the apartment for umpteen hours if there wasn't a trace of a cadaver then Eddie wouldn't alert. As I recall. it was observed that Eddie became very excited and agitated as soon as soon as he went into 5A. The fact is these dogs are damn good and someone died in 5A. Nobody except Madeleine is on record as being missing. It's therefore not difficult to surmise it WAS Madeleine. Proving it is another matter. Hence why we are here.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/25/hero-bomb-sniffer-dog-collects-his-animal-vc-115875-22068212/

Commenting on the dog's award today, Dr Gerald McCann said:

"Frankly, the award of this medal to the dog is ludicrous. These dogs are notoriously unreliable".

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Post by hedge on 25.02.10 16:22

When it comes to life or death we like things to be as close to 100% as possible otherwise it can all feel terribly unreliable.

You have to ask yourself if your child went missing from your home, no trace of her found and you know she was the light of your life but a cadaver dog reacted there would you simply shrug your shoulders and say fair enough, we'll organise the memorial immediately or would you educate yourself and find out what this could mean for the life of your child?

Put simply, would a dog barking be enough evidence for you to accept your child is dead and walk away?

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Post by Snowy on 25.02.10 16:25

@vaguely1 wrote:
@marigold wrote:

Even if they were kept in the apartment for umpteen hours if there wasn't a trace of a cadaver then Eddie wouldn't alert. As I recall. it was observed that Eddie became very excited and agitated as soon as soon as he went into 5A. The fact is these dogs are damn good and someone died in 5A. Nobody except Madeleine is on record as being missing. It's therefore not difficult to surmise it WAS Madeleine. Proving it is another matter. Hence why we are here.

Marigold, even if you choose to ignore the fact that the dogs evidence needs to be backed up forensically, it's a huge leap of faith to say it's a fact someone died in the apartment.

Especially when previous occupants included people legitimiately in contact with dead bodies in the course of their job. That would have been a major plank of any defence, which is why the actual forensic confirmation was so important.

And they didn't get it.

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Post by marigold on 25.02.10 16:31

@hedge wrote:When it comes to life or death we like things to be as close to 100% as possible otherwise it can all feel terribly unreliable.

You have to ask yourself if your child went missing from your home, no trace of her found and you know she was the light of your life but a cadaver dog reacted there would you simply shrug your shoulders and say fair enough, we'll organise the memorial immediately or would you educate yourself and find out what this could mean for the life of your child?

Put simply, would a dog barking be enough evidence for you to accept your child is dead and walk away?

I know what I WOULDN'T do. I wouldn't immediately and arrogantly declare that the dogs are wrong and unreliable. I would be devastated, inconsolable and distraught, particularly when I discovered how accurate these dogs are. The reaction of Mccann after the dogs were brought in were more a signal of guilt than all their lies put together IMO. Quite shocking.

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Post by marigold on 25.02.10 16:35

@Snowy wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:
@marigold wrote:

Even if they were kept in the apartment for umpteen hours if there wasn't a trace of a cadaver then Eddie wouldn't alert. As I recall. it was observed that Eddie became very excited and agitated as soon as soon as he went into 5A. The fact is these dogs are damn good and someone died in 5A. Nobody except Madeleine is on record as being missing. It's therefore not difficult to surmise it WAS Madeleine. Proving it is another matter. Hence why we are here.

Marigold, even if you choose to ignore the fact that the dogs evidence needs to be backed up forensically, it's a huge leap of faith to say it's a fact someone died in the apartment.

Especially when previous occupants included people legitimiately in contact with dead bodies in the course of their job. That would have been a major plank of any defence, which is why the actual forensic confirmation was so important.

And they didn't get it.

Oh yes 6 dead bodies wasn't it and she went to work cuddling cuddlecat and wearing her holiday gear. Come off it! Then why didn't the other doctors have traces of cadaver on their clothes as a result of their work?
Forensics ARE important, which is why the cadaver that Eddie alerted to overwhelmingly points to Madeleine but AT THE MOMENT this cannot be proved.

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Post by hedge on 25.02.10 16:45

I have a monster that lives in my ceiling, my cat stares at it, but at the moment it cannot be proved, damn science lagging behind what I know in my heart.

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Post by bellatrix on 25.02.10 17:11

I would think the 6 dead bodies claim (if accurate) would have been easily disproved/proved by the police checking Kates case load.I have seen nothing to ascertain one way or the other if this happened or not therefore I take it with a grain of salt.

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Post by vaguely1 on 25.02.10 17:16

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/25/hero-bomb-sniffer-dog-collects-his-animal-vc-115875-22068212/

Commenting on the dog's award today, Dr Gerald McCann said:

"Frankly, the award of this medal to the dog is ludicrous. These dogs are notoriously unreliable".


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Post by hedge on 25.02.10 17:21

@vaguely1 wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/25/hero-bomb-sniffer-dog-collects-his-animal-vc-115875-22068212/

Commenting on the dog's award today, Dr Gerald McCann said:

"Frankly, the award of this medal to the dog is ludicrous. These dogs are notoriously unreliable".


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???
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Another piece of Mr Bennetts artistic license with regard to the facts?

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Post by vaguely1 on 25.02.10 17:23

it's made up?

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Post by hedge on 25.02.10 17:27

@vaguely1 wrote:it's made up?

Sounds like one of Mr Bennetts infamous Q&As with himself, you know when he pretends to be the object of his dislike and posts what he thinks they would say in various situations, it's a sort of fan fiction thing, all the kids are doing it online.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_fiction

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Post by Ruby on 25.02.10 17:28

made up but yet another wonderful example of how pros studiously ignore the results these highly trained dogs get, to suit their purposes.

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Post by hedge on 25.02.10 17:29

@Ruby wrote:made up but yet another wonderful example of how pros studiously ignore the results these highly trained dogs get, to suit their purposes.

Did you know he had made it up?
What do you think his purpose was in making up a quote?

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Post by vaguely1 on 25.02.10 17:39

How is it "another wonderful example of how pros studiously ignore the results these highly trained dogs get, to suit their purposes." When it's a made up quote?

It seems to be more an example of how people make up things to slate the McCanns.

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Post by bunny on 25.02.10 17:51

and then taken as fact and used forever more. Only to be disproven as forum myth.

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Post by hedge on 25.02.10 17:57

@bunny wrote:and then taken as fact and used forever more. Only to be disproven as forum myth.

Which gets thrown in any pros face as proof that they will allegedly try and excuse anything and everything.

This thread title is apt .. on it goes... indeed. wail

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Post by bunny on 25.02.10 18:04

Not one will stand up and be counted and show that they actually value the truth above the hate they have for the McCanns.

Vicious circle

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Post by Pascal on 25.02.10 18:08

Gosh Mr Bennet are you sure you aren't working for the other side? wow

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Post by vaguely1 on 25.02.10 18:13

sometimes I wonder

(has your leopard had a make-over?)

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Post by Pascal on 25.02.10 18:19

Yes he's wearing some new contact lenses.

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Post by vaguely1 on 25.02.10 18:21

He look 10 years younger! :)

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Post by Pascal on 25.02.10 18:22

I'll tell him. He'll be chuffed big grin

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Post by Kololi on 25.02.10 18:41

Hi
I don't think the dogs should be dismissed totally. Obviously something got them excited but without any extra proper proof it is a big step to decide somebody is guilty of murder.

The mum in me does question why they dismissed the dogs out of hand. Whilst we might not all dash off to make memorial arrangements, wouldn't you realise that you may have to consider that something did happen to her there?

Take care

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Post by bunny on 25.02.10 18:43

They may have....who knows. I'm sure though it's a thought they put to the back of their minds.

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Post by hedge on 25.02.10 18:50

@Kololi wrote:Hi
I don't think the dogs should be dismissed totally. Obviously something got them excited but without any extra proper proof it is a big step to decide somebody is guilty of murder.

The mum in me does question why they dismissed the dogs out of hand. Whilst we might not all dash off to make memorial arrangements, wouldn't you realise that you may have to consider that something did happen to her there?

Take care

Of course, I'm sure we'd all be sick with anxiety waiting to hear if there was any evidence that our daughter had been murdered.

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