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June 2007 - blog and diary.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 25.02.14 14:11

Just before we reached the apartment we saw a man lying in the middle of the street, so we stopped the car and got out. It was no surprise to see that he was drunk (we've all been there!)
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WHY was it 'no surprise' to see that he was drunk?

Did she know this man? ergo' no surprise'?

Weird.

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Post by Guest on 25.02.14 14:16

If I saw someone lying in the middle of the road, my first reaction would I think be that they had had some kind of seizure or been hit by a car.

Speak for yourself Kate when you say that we've all been so drunk that we end up in the middle of a road!

I did once find what appeared to be a dead body lying outside my front door - I nearly had heart failure myself. It turned out to be a friend of my son's who had been invited to stay the night without mentioning it to me beforehand; he was just waiting for someone to come home and let him in.

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Post by HelenMeg on 25.02.14 16:00

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 20: There is still no sign of Madeleine. I didn't feel like it so I decided not to go running.
Went to pick up Gerry from the airport. It was so good to see him. Just before we reached the apartment we saw a man lying in the middle of the street, so we stopped the car and got out. It was no surprise to see that he was drunk (we've all been there!) but he recognised Gerry and me immediately. Gerry walked him round to his apartment.


Normally Kate imparts bits of information such as this for a reason - to cover something else up, or to provide a reason why they did something.. I dont believe this little story
but I cant think of what they were trying to hide or make an excuse for..

its like Gerry having his wallet stolen  or Shaun developing a taste for white bait...  everything is said for an ulterior motive 

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Post by sami on 25.02.14 16:09

I think the important part of the narrative is Gerry walking him to his apartment - Gerry was at an apartment he had no reason to be seen at.

I doubt that man exists, but if he does, I bet he has not had a drink since.  Imagine waking up to see their two mugs looking at you.  Poor man.

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Post by HelenMeg on 25.02.14 16:14

@sami wrote:I think the important part of the narrative is Gerry walking him to his apartment - Gerry was at an apartment he had no reason to be seen at.

I doubt that man exists, but if he does, I bet he has not had a drink since.  Imagine waking up to see their two mugs looking at you.  Poor man.

Yes I agree - it gave Gerry a reason to be hanging around somewhere he should not be, at that particular time.

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Re: June 2007 - blog and diary.

Post by tigger on 25.02.14 16:57

@AuldWan wrote:I have suggested this on Twitter before but has anyone thought to go to the British
Library and look up hard copy articles regarding Madeleine's disappearance.  I've always thought this might clear up some of the problems that disappearing on line news articles have caused.

I think it's Colindale where all newspaper copies are kept. even various obscure and local ones from all over Britain.
Quite possibly one has to go there in person.

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Post by travis macbickle on 25.02.14 17:19

Indeed ,like the lost wallet tale and sea bass fable,this was to cover a possible sighting of them at an apartment.
They must have seen someone but weren,t sure if they had been spotted or not.Always an innocent explanation available as clarence would say!

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Post by Guest on 25.02.14 18:53

@travis macbickle wrote:Indeed ,like the lost wallet tale and sea bass fable,this was to cover a possible sighting of them at an apartment.
They must have seen someone but weren,t sure if they had been spotted or not.Always an innocent explanation available as clarence would say!

And, even better, it explains away the presence of the car at some place where questions might be asked of its users

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Post by Guest on 25.02.14 18:54

@travis macbickle wrote:Indeed ,like the lost wallet tale and sea bass fable,this was to cover a possible sighting of them at an apartment.
They must have seen someone but weren,t sure if they had been spotted or not.Always an innocent explanation available as clarence would say!

Yes

It also -if and when necessary- explains away the presence of the car, at a place (apartment?) where it has no reason to be

If the car should be of have been reported at such a place, they can always say that was the spot where GM escorted the Drunk

These people are very, very intelligent, and very pro-active

But from a single sentence like this, you might construe that the car WAS at an unwarranted 'danger-fraught' spot, at a time which can be calculated if we (the PJ) figure out when the Drunk was allegedly met & salvaged

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Post by ultimaThule on 25.02.14 19:55

Given the number of times they've dropped themselves in it, I must disagree that these creatures people are 'very very intelligent', Portia  

While Gerry may pride himself on possessing a towering intellect I rate his intelligence, and that of his spouse, as being no more than average as evidenced by their inability to resist embellishment when even a wee lad from the Gorbals of old (those tenements having now become des res's for those of yuppie persuasion) would know better than to say any more than is strictly necessary in matters which may at some point attract criminal charges. 

I would imagine that the McCanns' paid (from the proceeds of the lifestyle fund) army of hotshot lawyers, image consultants, pr specialists, media management and monitoring organisations, etc, together with the perennial source spokesman, have experienced more than a few 'wtf - how we gonna spin this one' moments when watching, and reflecting on, their clients' performances. 

As I see it the McCanns, and their Tapas pals, have done more to make a case against themselves than the police. big grin

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Post by Guest on 25.02.14 20:18

@ultimaThule wrote:Given the number of times they've dropped themselves in it, I must disagree that these creatures people are 'very very intelligent', Portia  

While Gerry may pride himself on possessing a towering intellect I rate his intelligence, and that of his spouse, as being no more than average as evidenced by their inability to resist embellishment when even a wee lad from the Gorbals of old (those tenements having now become des res's for those of yuppie persuasion) would know better than to say any more than is strictly necessary in matters which may at some point attract criminal charges. 

I would imagine that the McCanns' paid (from the proceeds of the lifestyle fund) army of hotshot lawyers, image consultants, pr specialists, media management and monitoring organisations, etc, together with the perennial source spokesman, have experienced more than a few 'wtf - how we gonna spin this one' moments when watching, and reflecting on, their clients' performances. 

As I see it the McCanns, and their Tapas pals, have done more to make a case against themselves than the police. big grin

A compromise then: they're good tacticians, thinking on their feet; but bad strategists, incapable to fathom the bigger picture?

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Post by Guest on 25.02.14 20:23

@Portia wrote:
@travis macbickle wrote:Indeed ,like the lost wallet tale and sea bass fable,this was to cover a possible sighting of them at an apartment.
They must have seen someone but weren,t sure if they had been spotted or not.Always an innocent explanation available as clarence would say!

Yes

It also -if and when necessary- explains away the presence of the car, at a place (apartment?) where it has no reason to be

If the car should be of have been reported at such a place, they can always say that was the spot where GM escorted the Drunk

These people are very, very intelligent, and very pro-active

But from a single sentence like this, you might construe that the car WAS at an unwarranted 'danger-fraught' spot, at a time which can be calculated if we (the PJ) figure out when the Drunk was allegedly met & salvaged

So: find the place where they allegedly assisted the Drunk;
draw a perimeter around it of -say- half a mile to a mile;
Check every building within that perimeter for possible connections to the Mecs and anyone mentioned in the files so far;

Bulls-eye

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Re: June 2007 - blog and diary.

Post by Cristobell on 25.02.14 20:27

@ultimaThule wrote:Given the number of times they've dropped themselves in it, I must disagree that these creatures people are 'very very intelligent', Portia  

While Gerry may pride himself on possessing a towering intellect I rate his intelligence, and that of his spouse, as being no more than average as evidenced by their inability to resist embellishment when even a wee lad from the Gorbals of old (those tenements having now become des res's for those of yuppie persuasion) would know better than to say any more than is strictly necessary in matters which may at some point attract criminal charges. 

I would imagine that the McCanns' paid (from the proceeds of the lifestyle fund) army of hotshot lawyers, image consultants, pr specialists, media management and monitoring organisations, etc, together with the the perennial source spokesman, have experienced more than a few 'wtf - how we gonna spin this one' moments when watching, and reflecting on, their clients' performances.  big grin

I agree, academically and intellectually, Goncalo Amaral is far superior. I think what they do have in abundance is a lot of front. Where others might flinch at putting begging bowls around the holiday resort, those two went right ahead. Ditto all their actions, visiting the Pope, Gerry gurning outside the Whitehouse, all in the worst possible taste. They believe themselves to be far superior to others and manage to convince sycophants that they are. I imagine their attitude to their supporters hovers between scorn and contempt. All the people around them are there to do their bidding. Look how quickly they palmed the kids off on the creche and the relatives, Kate appalled that they had to go themselves to pick up the twins while their huge entourage enjoyed the facilities of the resort.

Gerry is clever in a snidey 'I know what I want' sort of way, whilst Kate was probably good with the science part of her former job, but crap with the patients. Neither of them are very cultured, or well read and both are completely lacking in empathy.

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Post by tigger on 26.02.14 7:25

@kikoraton wrote:"on the 30th April and hurriedly booked his flight that evening to the UK"
That's what we used to believe, but altho I hesitate to give credit to posters who used to denigrate my conclusions at every opportunity, I eventually came to accept their interpretation of the PJ/Murat interview, which was that he was explaining (I think the translation was poor) that he had booked the flight on the night of 29/30 April.
That's still at pretty short notice for a flight on 1 May.
It doesn't affect my conclusion (that the creche records were being falsified by Gerry from the morning of 29 April). In other words, everything was in place and ready to kick off by the time Murat booked his flight. That booking, as I understand, was after midnight on 29 April. The booking may also have been the motive for a call on J Tanner's mobile at 0412 on 29 April.

Take away Maddie from the crying incident on the 1st and we can speculate on a very early event happening on the 29th during the day or early evening. (i'm convinced it was the twins who cried).
There may be no phone record for a call going out to Exeter,but that doesn't mean there was no communication from PdL.
The blanked out 30th is then explained as waiting for help to arrive.
On the evening of the 1st, Kate is in 5a and has 6 calls - indicating imo that something's gone wrong and that she was waiting for something or someone. Kate's clothes being the only ones picked out by the cadaver dog.
Finally on the second, things are arranged, Gerry gets 14 voicemails which divide into three groups - possibly instructions.
The 2nd too is almost blanked out - in statements and the book. (See Dr. roberts' 'thirty days')

All supposition and my opinion.

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Re: June 2007 - blog and diary.

Post by Doug D on 26.02.14 8:40

Tigger,

If only we had access to the holiday photos presumably the PJ must have, all the T9 ones taken that week, including the 'Gamble'd away' ones, and all the other holidaymakers ones that got sent in following the OFM request (did these ever get passed on or were they conveniently kept by TM?) I am sure we could come up with a pretty accurate timeline of who was were & when, which kids were actually at the creche etc etc.
The PJ must surely have done this to back up their timeline of events as per GA, so should we not accept his published version? (unless this was deliberately put out as a red herring to let those involved think the PJ had accepted the false trail and they had got away with what actually happened).

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Post by russiandoll on 26.02.14 10:12

Tigger,

   I agree re 30th. The catalyst for my joining this forum was the book which I borrowed and which was so full of trivia about routine that the SILENCE re this Monday was a RED FLAG. I then went back to the files which I read with more care and noticed that the police statements, detailing the days at OC, skipped over this day.
 Yes, 2nd a key date, as if it had been wiped from history, but there must be a reason for the silence about the Monday.

 I posted on the crèche topic yesterday, in frustration that I could not copy the entire sheets,[ one side missing], that on 30th [ also 3rd] afternoon imo Gerry, [ judging by the style of writing numbers and the signatures looking suspicious], was the person entering the details for Maddie, not Kate.

 Maybe the incident happened early on and being doctors, they thought that they could contain it and then, after a silent deterioration[ e g head injury and internal bleed] there was a sudden and massive crash on 2nd, or perhaps there was finality re the incident early on and the following days were all about dealing with the situation they found themselves in.

 The thing with Kiko, the crèche entries strongly suggest premeditation. If this was not a murder, then a faked abduction gone wrong when there was an intervening tragedy? The " abduction "was the planned event, the tragic death the intervening disaster which had to be factored into a plan they chose not to discard?


 The phone and crèche records are key to this and I also believe that if the police can gather multiple evidence re the Tapas bar that evening, and when things kicked off, it will be the domino effect for the story, one piece removed and the whole lot fall.

 Dianne Webster had fallen into line eventually, but her account up to a certain point was the only honest one, imo.

 Tanner is the weak link, though, of the ones in the know [ and I still doubt that all were in the loop]. Weak from one viewpoint, of course. If she has as I hope and believe, been gently persuaded by police to do the right thing, she has shown moral courage sadly lacking in others from that group.
 If some were ignorant, they could not have remained so for long. They surely must have discussed events, read at least enough of the files to realise as intelligent people that things did not add up.

 Kiko was pleased that the force he sent his work to in Portugal  [ PJ Norte iirc ] acknowledged it and told him that they would pay it attention. He seems to have faith in them.

 I am hoping that we will not enter another year without resolution to this case and hearing the truth about the events of that week and beyond.

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Post by Guest on 26.02.14 11:00

Monday 30th April afternoon, all creche taking/collecting carried out by Kate:

MBM dropped off at creche 3.15pm, collected at 3.30pm.  That's 15 minutes spent at creche.  Twins at creche 3.25pm, collected at 5.20pm.

So MBM first, then twins, then straight back to collect MBM, and later twins.  Where was Gerry and what did Kate and MBM do together that afternoon?

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Post by russiandoll on 26.02.14 11:03

LIR, would you take a few minutes to look at the sign in and out details for Maddie, and tell me what you think of the writing and if you really think it is Kate writing on this sheet?

 Compare to other entries by Kate, sorry I cant copy the sheet because not all shows when published. IMO there is more than one person entering times and Kate's name.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 26.02.14 11:13

Doug:
If only we had access to the holiday photos presumably the PJ must have, all the T9 ones taken that week,
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The PJ have, AFAIK, never 'had' the 'last photo' or 'tennis balls' photo, and nor it appears are those two in PJ files.

Those photos don't seem to be included on either of the two seperately delivered CD's the PJ received from GM or Michael Wrong.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

Now why would the McCanns 'hold' those two back, in particular, from the PJ, when they were 'in' KM's camera (supposedly) just a few hours BEFORE the 'disappearance'?

If they did.

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Post by Guest on 26.02.14 11:35

Ladyinred wrote:Monday 30th April afternoon, all creche taking/collecting carried out by Kate:

MBM dropped off at creche 3.15pm, collected at 3.30pm.  That's 15 minutes spent at creche.  Twins at creche 3.25pm, collected at 5.20pm.

So MBM first, then twins, then straight back to collect MBM, and later twins.  Where was Gerry and what did Kate and MBM do together that afternoon?
LIR
I cannot find anything about GMs activity that day
According to KM's diary she went to the supermarket with Jane. And went for a run at 4pm and a tennis lession at 4.30 (where was MBM then)?


Monday 30.04.2007
Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning

Kids clubs:

Tennis 09.15-10.15 K


G 10.15-11.15


washing machine / blinds


Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave
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Kids club?? beach


/ - 16.00 K run 25 min


]16:30 Tennis lessons


High tea[/


18:30? tennis night for women


Recreational area


Afternoon: K and J Supermarket


Rest. - everyone


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html



According to Jane she sat around the pool:


4078 "Okay. So Monday afternoon you were sitting by the pool and the playing area was

near there. Can you remember what else happened on the Monday?”





With no mention of the supermarket. Just some drivel about the kids club tea



http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post466.html#p466





ETA I don't know why all these numbers have come up And I don't know how to get rid of them

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Post by Guest on 26.02.14 11:45

@russiandoll wrote:LIR, would you take a few minutes to look at the sign in and out details for Maddie, and tell me what you think of the writing and if you really think it is Kate writing on this sheet?

 Compare to other entries by Kate, sorry I cant copy the sheet because not all shows when published. IMO there is more than one person entering times and Kate'


There is much on the forum on this topic, I've just discovered, and very interesting.  RD - the records look a mess to me!

/processopdf01page107-CrecheRecords3.jpg]http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01-pages-107-111[105-109]/processopdf01page107-CrecheRecords3.jpg

Sorry, there's a problem with this link from McCannfiles.

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Post by bobbin on 26.02.14 11:48

dantezebu wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:Monday 30th April afternoon, all creche taking/collecting carried out by Kate:

MBM dropped off at creche 3.15pm, collected at 3.30pm.  That's 15 minutes spent at creche.  Twins at creche 3.25pm, collected at 5.20pm.

So MBM first, then twins, then straight back to collect MBM, and later twins.  Where was Gerry and what did Kate and MBM do together that afternoon?
[size=12.7333]LIR,[/size]
[size=12.7333]I cannot find anything about GMs activity that day[/size]
[size=12.7333]According to KM's diary she went to the supermarket with Jane. And went for a run at 4pm and a tennis lession at 4.30 (where was MBM then)?[/size]


[size=12.7333]Monday 30.04.2007[/size]
[size=12.7333]Breakfast apartment? apartment cleaning[/size]
[size=12.7333]Kids clubs:[/size]
[size=12.7333]Tennis 09.15-10.15 K[/size]
[size=12.7333]G 10.15-11.15[/size]
[size=12.7333]*? washing machine / blinds[/size]
[size=12.7333]Lunch - our apartment then → balcony F and Dave[/size]
[size=12.7333]Kids club?? beach[/size]
[size=12.7333]+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.[/size]
[size=12.7333]16:30 Tennis lessons[/size]
[size=12.7333]High tea[/size]
[size=12.7333]18:30? tennis night for women[/size]
[size=12.7333]Recreational area[/size]
[size=12.7333]Afternoon: K and J Supermarket[/size]
[size=12.7333]Rest. - everyone[/size]
[size=12.7333]http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html[/size]

[size=12.7333]According to Jane she sat around the pool:[/size]
[size=12.7333][size=13.6333]4078 "Okay. So Monday afternoon you were sitting by the pool and the playing area was[/size]
[size=13.6333]near there. Can you remember what else happened on the Monday?”[/size]
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[size=12.7333][size=13.6333]With no mention of the supermarket. Just some drivel about the kids club tea.[/size][/size]


[size=12.7333]http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post466.html#p466[/size]




[size=12.7333]ETA I don't know why all these numbers have come up And I don't know how to get rid of them :-([/size]
deleted, just checked my explanation and it's not valid. Perhaps someone more techy can solve the problem. I was born the wrong side of 1950 so am computer illiterate.

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Post by Mirage on 26.02.14 11:49

@jeanmonroe wrote:Doug:
If only we had access to the holiday photos presumably the PJ must have, all the T9 ones taken that week,
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The PJ have, AFAIK, never 'had' the 'last photo' or 'tennis balls' photo, and nor it appears are those two in PJ files.

Those photos don't seem to be included on either of the two seperately delivered CD's the PJ received from GM or Michael Wrong.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

Now why would the McCanns 'hold' those two back, in particular, from the PJ, when they were 'in' KM's camera (supposedly) just a few hours BEFORE the 'disappearance'?

If they did.
With hindsight they must regret the cameras not being abducted. But then you can't think of everything while constructing two timelines.

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Post by Guest on 26.02.14 11:49

I have tried to clean the post up a bit Danezebu.

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Post by Guest on 26.02.14 11:55

candyfloss wrote:I have tried to clean the post up a bit Danezebu.
Thank you very much. I have got issues at the moment with emoticons and images too but I think that the internet where I am.
So I can't send you flowers   roses

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