Would this account for the unprecedented high level of political support?

Stella wrote:

Stella wrote:I bet there's more than 11 by the time we are finished.

G607 Dr L Hurne (?)
G5A Dr Kate McCann (GP)
G5A Dr Gerry McCann (Cardiologist)
G5B Dr Matthew Oldfield (Endocrinologist)
G5D Dr Russell O’Brien (University of Plymouth, Medical School)
G5H Dr Fiona Payne (Anaesthetist)
G5H Dr David Payne (Leicester University in Cardiovascular Sciences)
G4M Dr Julian Edward Bartran Totman (GP in Salisbury, has 2 surgeries)
G4M Dr Rachel Clapton Totman (GP in Salisbury)
G20 Dr Pawer (Leicester Royal Infirmary)
S704 Dr Christopher John McNamara (Consultant Haematologist, Royal Free Hospital, London)

Ones in red booked through Thomas Cook
Ones in blue are 'donos' bookings
all the rest are Mark Warner.

This list does no include other people who work for the NHS, or research.

We're in need of a collective noun for a group of doctors. Suggestions welcome.
Incidentally, any links within the above names in the UK? How they could have met or exchanged information? Any common factor because I can't see anyone advertising for doctors to attend a sort of secret meeting re whatever? Can we draw any lines between them, because they seem rather spread out.

Perhaps they were being poached for new and exciting overseas positions.
Wasn't it David Payne who suddenly moved into the world of Urology after a few training trips abroad ??

I came across this in Jane Tanners second statement, anyone know who the G's are?

"In the tourist complex last Sunday, 30 April, she net a copule she knew from Exeter, Jim and C. G., with their son of 20 months, B.G. She knew they had travelled on the same day as her, on a different flight. Asked, she relates that they had a hired car, not knowing the brand, model or colour. He (Jim) liked to surf and that was why he had hired the car."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

Molly: youll find a topic here called "James and Charlotte Gorrod" about this couple.

Marian wrote:Molly: youll find a topic here called "James and Charlotte Gorrod" about this couple.

Thanks, Marian, my brain was having a blonde grey moment

tigger wrote:
We're in need of a collective noun for a group of doctors. Suggestions welcome.

An epidemic ?
An "epi-medic" ?
A Rash
A Contagion
A Plague

In the BMJ they suggested a Pride of Doctors - which seems a good start.

PeterMac wrote:

tigger wrote:
We're in need of a collective noun for a group of doctors. Suggestions welcome.

An epidemic ?
An "epi-medic" ?
A Rash
A Contagion
A Plague

In the BMJ they suggested a Pride of Doctors - which seems a good start.

there is a separate topic on this now. Can we take a vote? I vote for 'plague"!

I look at the list of names and professions of those who were at the Ocean Club and my gut feeling is that:

There was a meeting to sell a business case to potential investors.

The product was an innovative item of medical equipment that had reached the commercialisation stage.

Paul Weinberger would have been a key figure at the event - perhaps a facilitator.

McCann and other specialists may have conducted the initial Research and Development.

The medical equipment may have been something similar to ALERE EPOC Blood Analysis given the specialisms of those present. It would have been aimed at hospitals, GP surgeries, paramedics.

Philip Edmonds may have been there in the capacity of a 'Business Angel' (Google 'Angel Finance')

The business plan and medical device was nothing sinister more likely it was to save lives and contribute to the good of society.

McCann has an impressive track record for innovative research.

Did the meeting go ahead as planned or was it cancelled /postponed due to a tragic event ?

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/06/amber-alert-gps-gerry-mccann.html

I found this very interesting, already knew about the amber alert but the microchip story I thought had receded. So might this link to your idea Stella?

Is it possible to propose then, if all these Medical people were there for a conference or business initiative - then the fact that they, or some of them, decided to leave earlier than they had originally booked, could mean that Madeleine's disappearance was not something that was expected to happen, or premeditated. It must have been something else.

Angelique wrote:Is it possible to propose then, if all these Medical people were there for a conference or business initiative - then the fact that they, or some of them, decided to leave earlier than they had originally booked, could mean that Madeleine's disappearance was not something that was expected to happen, or premeditated. It must have been something else.

IMO it can still be premeditation on the part of the McCanns who then became absolutely toxic to the VIPs. That is, it was a surprise to all except the McCanns.
Still, months ago I was looking for more information on microchipping as it is so dear to the hearts of our masters, but found very little. It was the quote (I presume from the report) that made me sit up.
Initially I didn't think that there would be anything in microchipping, since it is already well established for pets and stock animals. But must confess that I've changed my mind. Huge amount of money in it.

Cheshire Cat wrote:I look at the list of names and professions of those who were at the Ocean Club and my gut feeling is that:

There was a meeting to sell a business case to potential investors.

The product was an innovative item of medical equipment that had reached the commercialisation stage.

Paul Weinberger would have been a key figure at the event - perhaps a facilitator.

McCann and other specialists may have conducted the initial Research and Development.

The medical equipment may have been something similar to ALERE EPOC Blood Analysis given the specialisms of those present. It would have been aimed at hospitals, GP surgeries, paramedics.

Philip Edmonds may have been there in the capacity of a 'Business Angel' (Google 'Angel Finance')

The business plan and medical device was nothing sinister more likely it was to save lives and contribute to the good of society.

McCann has an impressive track record for innovative research.

Did the meeting go ahead as planned or was it cancelled /postponed due to a tragic event ?

I don't see micro chipping as a reason for the meeting. I am sure Gerry's knowledge on the subject of child abductions was non-existant until he was given that big book as a pressie from CEOP!

Cheshire Cat wrote:I don't see micro chipping as a reason for the meeting. I am sure Gerry's knowledge on the subject of child abductions was non-existant until he was given that big book as a pressie from CEOP!

Nevertheless, micro-chipping did crop up in an interview that the lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia have, I believe in 2008.

For those unfamiliar with Marcos Aragao Correia, let me give a brief introduction, before I give details about how the micro-chipping issue came up.

A lawyer born in Madeira, his career was unremarkable until he first came to public attention when in a fanfare of publicity he anouned that out of the goodness of his heart and out of the dewpths of his pocket, he was funding a search of the Arade Dam for Madeleine's bones. He first did this in late January 2008, then again in March 2008, again with cameras and journalists on hand to record every 'find' from the Dam.

Later, on 21 October 2008, he dramatically emerged as the lawyer for child-murderess-of-her-own-daughter, Leonor Cipriano, in a prosecution of Goncalo Amaral and four of his fellow-detectives for allegedly beating and torturing her and allegedly filing a false report. As a result, Amaral and one other were found guilty of filing a false report, a judicial decision which was hailed by Marcos Aragao Correia by the notorious words: "The target was hit". The McCann-believers rejoiced at this event and ever since refer to Amaral as 'a convicted criminal'.

Further remarks by Marcos Aragao Correia himself and further research on him that I've undertaken reveal inter alia the following:

* He claimed he first became interested in the Madeleine McCann case when underworld sources disclosed to him that Madeleine had been abducted, raped, killed and her body thrown into a lake

* Under pressure when he was challenged about this account, he admitted he'd lied and now said he became interested in the Madeleine McCann case as a result of a vision he had on the evening of saturday 5 May, two days after Madeleine was reported missing. The vision came, he said, after attending his first-ever Spritualist meeting on Madeira. He says he had a vision of a huge man strangling a blonde girl 'who looked about 4 years old'.

(Why the McCanns chose such a man to represent them (see below) is almost beyond belief; if it had been anyone else making those kind of remarks about Madeleine they would probably now feature in the Sun's 'Shop-a-Troll' campaign).

We know now, from Marcos Aragao Correia's own lips, that he met with Metodo 3 'detectives' on 10 December 2007 at the Arade Dam. This revelation led me recently to suggest that the whole saga of the Arade Dam seaches was a calculated publicity exercise planned by the McCann Team to further their agenda, and was never an honest search for Madeleine's remains, one of the key claims I made which has led to both the McCanns and Brian Kennedy demanding the withdrawal of 60-plus articles from our website and this forum (which we've complied with) and threatening to commence (respectively) contempt of court and libel proceedings. We also know from Marcos Aragao Correia himelf that he was paid by Metodo 3 for what he did and that this was on behalf of the McCanns.

Against that background, here are three paragraphs from one of my articles about Marcos Aragao Correia, in which the microchipping agenda is referred. Make of it what you will, but I would say that there are a lot of wealthy and influential people out there determined to promote microchipping. I think this particular article is still on our website, by the way, it wasn't one of the ones we decided to cull. Look at the second and third paragraphs below, highlighted in blue:

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QUOTE FROM ARTICLE BY TONY BENNETT ON THE MADELEINE FOUNDATION WEBSITE

Aragão Correia then returns to the subject of the dam searches and tells the journalist: “The dam searches found items of relevance, but these were not sufficient as evidence. Maybe I made some mistakes, which might have alerted the possible abductors of the little English girl: On 11 January, before the diving in the dam started, Lux magazine published my suspicions in a front page article. Yet it was almost two months later that the searches were started at the dam. That was more than enough time for the criminals to hide any incriminating residues. Nevertheless, we discovered a girl’s sock that was Maddie’s age. I believe the sock might have been used by Maddie, although the lab tests failed to detect any human residues, due to the fact that it stayed underwater for such a long time. We also found several knotted lengths of rope, over five metres [16 feet] long, which would have been ideal to tie up the body at the bottom of the dam. All of this was recovered by the divers in an area where there was no other rubbish. Método 3 were always closely involved in the searches, monitoring them closely, and took all of those objects back to Spain for examination”.

The journalist then asks Aragão Correia to comment on the PJ investigation. He answered: “The information that I received as a medium didn’t allow for me to understand what the criminal’s motivation was. But information that I obtained later on - especially from consulting an excellent book by criminologist Barra da Costa - led me to believe the theory, admitted by the former PJ Chief Inspector, that the police weren’t interested in finding Maddie, nor in catching the real culprits over her disappearance. Dr Barra da Costa said in his book that there was something like a tacit plan to induce a general sense of insecurity across society, to allow for the micro-chip (a device implanted in human beings that gives out signals to track down where they are) to be produced on a major scale.

“At the beginning I had some reservations concerning that issue, because I had never heard about it, but I was interested careful enough to go on the internet and to consult several credible websites, including FBI and CIA sources, where I found some amazing things: the micro-chip was indeed being promoted as the ideal weapon to prevent crime. These sources added that the population should be induced into accepting this technological revolution, even if it was at the expense of a policy of deliberately promoting mass public insecurity. Well, the Maddie case fell like ‘manna from heaven’ (*) for the promotion of the microchip, especially as far as children are concerned”.

And on that very puzzling note, the interview with Aragão Correia ended.

The trial of Goncalo Amaral continued. Amazingly, it lasted a whole 7 months, having begun on 21 October 2008 and finished on 22 May 2009. It had been subject to at least five adjournments, mostly lasting around a month, caused by various procedural problems and by new applications of one kind or another, mostly made by Marcos Aragão Correia.

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* Manna: Wikipedia says:

Manna (Hebrew: מָ‏ן‎) or Manna wa Salwa (Arabic: مَنّ‎, Kurdish: gezo, Persian: ترنجبين), sometimes or archaically spelled mana, is the name of an edible substance that God provided for the Israelites during their travels in the desert according to the Bible. It was said to be sweet to the taste, like honey.

Note from TB: The Hebrew word 'manna' means 'What is it?' a reference to the reaction of the Israelites to the manna on the first morning it appeared on the ground of the wilderness. The Israelites lived on a diet of manna and quails for 40 years.

Cheshire Cat wrote:I look at the list of names and professions of those who were at the Ocean Club and my gut feeling is that:

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McCann has an impressive track record for innovative research.

Hi Cheshire Cat, surely you don't mean Gerry McCann? I've read two papers by him, I cannot detect any innovative research.

The year in Amsterdam was simply a fellowship, paid tuition with a paper at the end of it. The athletes and drugs paper was very short and nothing special. He was supposed to have been awarded some or other research grant in 2007/2008, but would think if he did get it and it wasn't the usual newspaper hype, he hardly has time to do any ground breaking research.

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like Pearl Harbour \wikipedia - Project for the new American Century


http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/06/agenda-microchip-one-generation-is-all.html


At this juncture, an unfortunately common tragedy of modern life will occur: A small child, likely a photogenic toddler, will be murdered or horrifically abused. It will happen in one of the media capitals of the Western world, thereby ensuring non-stop breathless coverage. Chip manufactures will recognize this as the opportunity they have been anticipating for years. With their technology now largely bug-free, familiar to most citizens and comparatively inexpensive, manufacturers will partner with the police to launch a high-profile campaign encouraging parents to implant their children "to ensure your own peace of mind."
Posted by SteelMagnolia http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/06/amber-alert-gps-gerry-mccann.html
This full article was published on the 10th December 2006

Tony Bennett wrote:“At the beginning I had some reservations concerning that issue, because I had never heard about it, but I was interested careful enough to go on the internet and to consult several credible websites, including FBI and CIA sources, where I found some amazing things: the micro-chip was indeed being promoted as the ideal weapon to prevent crime. These sources added that the population should be induced into accepting this technological revolution, even if it was at the expense of a policy of deliberately promoting mass public insecurity. Well, the Maddie case fell like ‘manna from heaven’ (*) for the promotion of the microchip, especially as far as children are concerned”.

It was a long time ago that another poster first brought this up and the last time I looked, Masonichip seem to be denying that their aim is to insert microchips into children. That statement was not on the front page 3 years ago, that's for sure. So something has changed.

I couldn't quite see the conspiracy working in PdL, even with all these related and influential people there in the off season.
But the whole thing works perfectly if some of the T9 would liaise with their respective hospital trusts. Ideal people to get cost estimates. If microchipping was on the cards, it would make perfect sense to set up the network ready to run as it were. If any Government decided to implement it, it was going to be a lot of money for everyone. Especially at a time when the financial world was sliding into chaos.
Not a conspiracy at all, just a very sensible getting together of people who would be first in line to run such a scheme. Normal practice

IMO this is still totally apart from Maddie. I really think it was entirely their own idea and may have been for a some time. But it explains an awful lot of the protection. It explains why none of these people have come forward, why some of them hot footed it out of the place. It explains the 'national security' issue. Did they expect a pat on the back? Was I right earlier to compare GM to Del Boy? A chancer, who would be an embarrassment to any exclusive club that had allowed him in?

Tony Bennett wrote:(Why the McCanns chose such a man to represent them (see below) is almost beyond belief; if it had been anyone else making those kind of remarks about Madeleine they would probably now feature in the Sun's 'Shop-a-Troll' campaign).

Or get a letter from the most feared libel lawyers.

Nah, people like him and Halligen weren't worth suing were they....it's only people like you and Goncalo who fit the bill.

Perhaps some children in the world already have them implanted and are currently being monitored?

Stella wrote:Perhaps some children in the world already have them implanted and are currently being monitored?

The next stage after Maddie could be for a child to disappear and be found alive and well. Convincing evidence. This child could have been microchipped for say a medical reason, diabetes or something.
We've just had the Casey Anthony affair where, if the body had been found sooner, evidence to convict would have still been present.

It would be a good reason for not doing an autopsy on a child who had an accident. No body, no microchip being found !!
Also a good reason to have Dr Pawer there, maybe?
Governments worldwide might welcome the idea, in a bid to control rising immigration issues, benefit fraud and crime rates.

tigger wrote:

Cheshire Cat wrote:I look at the list of names and professions of those who were at the Ocean Club and my gut feeling is that:
McCann has an impressive track record for innovative research.

Hi Cheshire Cat, surely you don't mean Gerry McCann? I've read two papers by him, I cannot detect any innovative research.
The year in Amsterdam was simply a fellowship, paid tuition with a paper at the end of it. The athletes and drugs paper was very short and nothing special. He was supposed to have been awarded some or other research grant in 2007/2008, but would think if he did get it and it wasn't the usual newspaper hype, he hardly has time to do any ground breaking research.

Dr Gerald McCann doesn't like to publicise his achievements. But he appears to be making a significant contribution to cardiovascular innovation. Collectively, there was a heck of a lot of medical expertise at the Ocean Club and I can see a moral argument being put forward for protecting the whole group if this would mean thousands of lives being saved in the future. I am not putting forward this argument but I am suggesting others did. Particularly if M died but they actually tried to save her, but failed.

http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/engineering/news-and-events/news/cardiovascular-innovation-awards-2011
Cardiovascular Innovation Awards 2011
by tc106— posted on Jun 08, 2011 03:41 PM — last modified Jun 08, 2011 03:41 PM. This year's award won by Dr Fernando Schlindwein, of the Department of Engineering at the University of Leicester, along with Dr Will Nicolson, Dr G Andre Ng, Dr Geoff Whiteley and Dr Gerry McCann of the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust.



http://www.eme.ac.uk/news_and_events/111110%20news%20item.asp

An MRI scan to compare treatments for heart attacks
11 November 2010 A new study in the area of cardiac research will compare ‘complete primary percutaneous coronary intervention’ (P-PCI) with ‘lesion-only’ P-PCI. This EME award is for a sub-study of the CVLPRIT trial and is led by Dr Gerald McCann of the University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust. This is the first project to be funded under the programme’s fast-track scheme. Heart attacks are usually caused by blood clots forming in narrowed heart arteries. If the patient has an important narrowing in another artery in addition to their blocked artery it can be difficult to decide whether this other narrowing should be treated at the same time as the blockage causing the heart attack. There are no definitive studies to tell heart specialists what to do for the best.

Team from University of Leicester Win at Medical Futures Innovation Awards 2011
Posted by pt91 at Jun 07, 2011 11:48 AM | Permalink
Ground breaking idea: LifeMapTM recognised as potential medical treatment of tomorrow
Issued by University of Leicester Press Office on 6 June 2011. London, Monday 6th June, 2011: Ateam from the University of Leicester based at Glenfield Hospital was today named as one of winners at the Medical Futures Innovation Awards, Europe’s leading showcase of early-stage innovation in healthcare, for a new technology which will identify people at risk of lethal heart rhythm disturbances. The award was presented by TV executive, Michael Mosley at a high-profile ceremony in central London in front of 700 leaders in medicine, politics and business. The event was hosted by comedian Rory Bremner and Dynasty actress Emma Samms, founder of the children’s charity Starlight. A Medical Futures Innovation Award is one of Europe’s most prestigious healthcare and business accolades, rewarding innovative ideas from front line clinicians, scientists and entrepreneurs. Dr Will Nicolson of the winning team said: "Winning this award will give us an invaluable opportunity to attract interest and investment into LifeMap^TM. This endorsement by a world-class panel of experts creates a significant platform of support for the innovation. Dr Nicolson, Clinical Research Fellow at the Department of Cardiovascular Sciences, has been working under the supervision of Dr G. André Ng, Senior Lecturer in Cardiology and Dr Gerry McCann, Cardiac Imaging Specialist at University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust with support from Dr Fernando Schlindwein, Senior Lecturer in Engineering on a novel technique for sudden cardiac death risk assessment.

“LifeMap^TM is at an early stage, extensive research into the technology is ongoing and there are many possibilities for refinement. Ultimately LifeMap^TM will need an expensive, multicentre trial to confirm its efficacy before it can reach the bedside.

“We hope that the critical endorsement of LifeMap^TM will lead to investment and further research to the benefit of Leicester and our patients."

Dr André Ng, leader of the team commented: "We are very honoured indeed to have received such a prestigious award. Endorsement from the panel of esteemed judges is really important to LifeMap^TM.

“Sudden cardiac death is an area of significant unmet clinical need. LifeMap^TM translates our years of basic scientific research into a new clinical application. Our LifeMap^TM innovation, which aims at identifying people at risk of lethal heart rhythm disturbances, could prevent many deaths. Winning the award certainly gives a boost to the work our team are doing. We hope to bring the new technology into patient benefit in the very near future."

Medical Futures’ founder Dr Andy Goldberg OBE, consultant surgeon at London’s Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital NHS Trust and a senior academic for University College London said: “The winners were chosen by a panel of distinguished experts from the thousands of entries received and they deserve every success for their creativity, commercial viability, and most importantly potential impact on patients.

“I continue to be excited by the inspiration and sheer drive and determination shown by all of our entrants, many of whom are working with patients day to day so they see first-hand what is needed – sometimes it’s the simplest ideas that are the real breakthroughs.”

Information on Award Competition: Dragon's Den style interview

The winning innovation from the University of Leicester and Leicester Cardiovascular Biomedical Research Unit was selected in a three stage process from almost 100 applicants culminating in a ‘Dragons’ Den’ style interview in front of a panel that included Sir Bruce Keogh (Medical Director of the NHS) and Professor Keith Fox (President of the British Cardiovascular Society). The team who went ‘into the Dragons’ Den’ consisted of Dr Will Nicolson, Dr Geoff Whiteley (Enterprise and Business Development) and Dr André Ng.

Comment from Dr Will Nicolson: “The "Dragons’ Den" interview really was just that. We had just six minutes to pitch LifeMap^TM to a panel of eight world-class cardiology specialists followed by twenty minutes of probing questions. Thanks to extensive preparation the team were able to convince the Dragons of LifeMapTM's potential.”

Information on LifeMap

3 million people die annually of sudden cardiac death - 100,000 in the UK alone. These deaths could be prevented with a device called an implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD), inserted in a minor operation. However, it is very difficult to work out who needs an ICD because current risk markers for sudden cardiac death are limited. This has led NICE to call for research into new risk markers.

The research creates a "LifeMap": an electrical map of sudden cardiac death risk using an ECG and combines it with a cardiac MRI anatomical map of arrhythmia risk. The project has been ongoing for 2 years and two clinical retrospective proof of concept studies have been completed with results suggesting great potential for LifeMapTM.

The University of Leicester has patented the technology behind "LifeMap". A further clinical 160 patient trial is recruiting and a number of smaller studies are ongoing. The team is already looking towards collaboration with Industry on a clinical version of the device.

Notes to Editors

For further information on LifeMap^TM contact Dr André Ng on gan1@leicester.ac.uk or 0116-258 3297.

On Monday 6th June between 11am and 3pm, the 2011 winning teams and some of the Awards past winners will showcase their ideas and be interviewed on stage by Michael Mosley, the former doctor and widely known TV presenter at the awards location Old Billingsgate, 1 Old Billingsgate Walk, 16 Lower Thames Street, London, EC3R 6DX. www.oldbillingsgate.co.uk.

Media interviews and filming can be arranged with the winners in London by contacting the Medical Futures’ media team: Annie Wright on: +44 (0)20 8332 6200; +44 (0) 776 965 1942 (mobile); ann.wright@tudor-reilly.com or Chris Fowler on: +44 (0)20 8946 8666; +44(0) 771 917 2225 (mobile); chris.fowler@tudor-reilly.com.

About Medical Futures

The Medical Futures Awards are run on a not-for-profit basis to help turn ideas into tangible real-world solutions to improve clinical outcomes for patients and provide cost-saving benefits.

The Awards started in 2001 and since then, past winners have secured over £100m in funding, and most importantly many have gone onto become successful services or products that are now changing peoples’ lives.

By entering the awards, front line clinicians, scientists, and entrepreneurs have the chance to pitch their ideas and businesses to a world-class panel of experts whose advice, guidance and peer-review brings unparalleled validation.

From thousands of entries, the top 100 teams were invited to pitch to Dragon’s Den style judging panels of some of the world’s most distinguished and respected doctors, scientists and commercial experts, including the likes of Sir Bruce Keogh, Medical Director of the NHS and Professor Martin Rothman, Vice President of Medical Affairs for Medtronic Inc.

The Medical Futures judging is a transparent process of peer review, in which the winners are chosen based on three criteria: novelty, viability and benefits to patient care

http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2011/june/team-from-university-of-leicester-win-at-medical-futures-innovation-awards-2011

Stella wrote:Perhaps some children in the world already have them implanted and are currently being monitored?

No doubt Stella, no doubt at all.

They really started to ramp up the promotion of chipping children after the murders of Holly Wells & Jessica Chapman. There's dozens of mainstream news articles still online that show how they shamelessly played to the insecurities of worried parents (& children). Here's just one example:

"Danielle Duval Age 11, from Reading, Berkshire, who is being fitted with the first microchip tracking device.
I
think it is a really good idea. It is better than getting kidnapped or
abducted. I haven't always been frightened, but in the past couple of
weeks after Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, it has made me a bit
nervous. With this, at least my parents will know exactly where I am. I
feel OK about having the implant; a bit nervous. All I know is that they
are going to put a local anaesthetic in my arm, and then insert the
chip.


Most of my friends have said they would have it done.
Nobody has said to me that they think it is a bad idea. My little sister
Amy, seven, has said she will most probably have it done. It might help
keep children safe."


Read on: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2002/sep/04/schools.uk

Then it seemed to die down again, that is until the 'disappearance' of Madeleine. Then they ramped up the fear again and we saw dozens of similar articles to the one above.

Also on a side note, Verichip the forerunner of the implantable microchip have changed their name. They acquired Steel Vault (SVUL) a credit monitoring and anti-identity theft company. (creepy eh?). The combined company now operate under a new name: PositiveID. I think this is certainly one to watch. Here's their new website:

http://www.positiveidcorp.com/products_glucochip.html

All I know is that they are going to put a local anaesthetic in my arm, and then insert the chip.

Will the chip always go in the arm? It reminds me of Gerry's remark about the abductor possibly doing something to Madeleine's eye because of the well-advertised coloboma although the risk was outweighed by the good marketing ploy.

So, if a kid with a chip was abducted by a paedo for the purpose of rape followed by death wouldn't the abductor just cut off the child's arm before doing what he intended to do?

Hardly keeps a child safe - it could actually cause even more injury/trauma to the child before being killed.

And what if the child survived but had an arm cut off because of the microchip? Maybe the child didn't even have a microchip but was mutilated anyway just in case he/she did have one?

happychick wrote:

All I know is that they are going to put a local anaesthetic in my arm, and then insert the chip.

Will the chip always go in the arm? It reminds me of Gerry's remark about the abductor possibly doing something to Madeleine's eye because of the well-advertised coloboma although the risk was outweighed by the good marketing ploy.

So, if a kid with a chip was abducted by a paedo for the purpose of rape followed by death wouldn't the abductor just cut off the child's arm before doing what he intended to do?

Hardly keeps a child safe - it could actually cause even more injury/trauma to the child before being killed.

And what if the child survived but had an arm cut off because of the microchip? Maybe the child didn't even have a microchip but was mutilated anyway just in case he/she did have one?

No, it is so small, it can be implanted anywhere.

As for the rest of your post, I totally agree. I think it would certainly put an abducted child in more danger and would be absolutely useless as a deterrent. But let's face it, it's not really the child's safety and concern 'the powers that be' have in mind is it?